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RE: Is the AAC a 'Power Conference' at least in basketball now w/t addition of WSU?
If the American added Dayton and VCU, then we would become a power conference.

As it is, we're just the best of the mid-majors.
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RE: Is the AAC a 'Power Conference' at least in basketball now w/t addition of WSU?
For the record, following is the average %age of teams in each conference (as they are now constituted, with WSU counted in AAC figures) to make the NCAAT over the past seven seasons.

Conf... %

B12... 60
BE..... 51
ACC... 50
B1G... 46
PAC... 36
AAC... 36
SEC... 31
A10... 25
MWC.. 24
WCC.. 21
MVC... 11 *

* which is to say, they averaged one bid per year - their automatic qualifier.
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RE: Is the AAC a 'Power Conference' at least in basketball now w/t addition of WSU?
(04-09-2017 04:54 PM)ken d Wrote:  For the record, following is the average %age of teams in each conference (as they are now constituted, with WSU counted in AAC figures) to make the NCAAT over the past seven seasons.

Conf... %

B12... 60
BE..... 51
ACC... 50
B1G... 46
PAC... 36
AAC... 36
SEC... 31
A10... 25
MWC.. 24
WCC.. 21
MVC... 11 *

* which is to say, they averaged one bid per year - their automatic qualifier.

Very interesting that two 10-member conferences are at the top of that list. It definitely creates less room for error.
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RE: Is the AAC a 'Power Conference' at least in basketball now w/t addition of WSU?
The AAC's...and their fans...preoccupation on being considered a "Power" conference answers the question.

If they were--or honestly believed they were--a "Power" conference, they wouldn't keep asking the question. It's like being "cool." If you are worried about being cool, then you aren't.

So, keep asking the question, but realize that by the simple act of asking it you have already answered it.
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RE: Is the AAC a 'Power Conference' at least in basketball now w/t addition of WSU?
(04-09-2017 03:55 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If the American added Dayton and VCU, then we would become a power conference.

As it is, we're just the best of the mid-majors.

To quote Bob Diaco, that's Ridiculous.

Aresco capped the conference at 12. There is no need to go there to chase some imaginary title. As has been said countless times around here, the football autonomy group self-named themselves power. Beyond that, in college basketball there are "high majors" which the NBE and the AAC are commonly classified as. Then you work down.
Its doubtful the A10 schools are in the long term plans of the AAC. Not because I wouldn't mind seeing it but because there really is hesitation to recreate the hybrids of the OBE and the original CUSA.
Navy and Wichita are considered to take up a full spot.
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RE: Is the AAC a 'Power Conference' at least in basketball now w/t addition of WSU?
(04-09-2017 06:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Aresco capped the conference at 12. There is no need to go there to chase some imaginary title. As has been said countless times around here, the football autonomy group self-named themselves power. ...
However, repetition does not convert a false statement into a true one ... and lack of repetition does not convert a true statement to a false one.

The term "power conferences" comes out of the same CFP negotiations that the term "Group of Five" came out of, and in terms of bargaining power with the media partners in the CFP, the "power conferences" were the ones with the bargaining power to gain a share of the CFP money for themselves, while the Group of Five had enough bargaining power to get a share to split among themselves as they agreed.

The American can aspire to be in a position in the next round of CFP negotiations to negotiate on their own behalf and claim a larger share for themselves than the average available to the remaining "Group of X" ... but that is a long way away.

Major status in basketball is more fluid ... if the AAC has built enough market value in basketball when their contract goes to market that their basketball earns as much or more as the six conferences widely acknowledged as Major conferences, if they earn a similar or better percentage of bids as the weakest of the Majors, if they have conference power ratings and other computer rankings in amongst the six Major conferences, they'll come to be recognized as a Major conference in basketball.

Seven year averages constructed on the basis of current AAC members when they were previously competing in a variety of other conferences are not going to make that case, but five year averages once they have been competing as the AAC for five years that show the AAC in amongst the Majors would make a strong case that they be recognized as a Major.
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How about a "we'll see" option? 07-coffee3
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Power Conference designation should really just be reserved for Football. With FBS, it is tangible and established what a Power Conference is, and who the P5 are. The networks, TV deals and bowl agreements confirm that.

With basketball, it really doesn't matter. How many teams the American can get in is not affected by how many the B1G can get in. While the conference championship winners get into the NCAA Tournament via autobids, many at-large teams from the top 8 conferences will regularly get in. There are no set parameters on how many teams from the American could, conceivably, get in. It could be as low as one (unlikely) or as many as six/seven in a great year (also unlikely). I think the average, with the addition of Wichita State, will be around 4-5.
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RE: Is the AAC a 'Power Conference' at least in basketball now w/t addition of WSU?
(04-10-2017 09:31 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Power Conference designation should really just be reserved for Football. With FBS, it is tangible and established what a Power Conference is, and who the P5 are. The networks, TV deals and bowl agreements confirm that.

With basketball, it really doesn't matter. How many teams the American can get in is not affected by how many the B1G can get in. While the conference championship winners get into the NCAA Tournament via autobids, many at-large teams from the top 8 conferences will regularly get in. There are no set parameters on how many teams from the American could, conceivably, get in. It could be as low as one (unlikely) or as many as six/seven in a great year (also unlikely). I think the average, with the addition of Wichita State, will be around 4-5.

I generally concur. IMHO there are "high resource" basketball programs and then there are not. The high resource schools span most in the P5/P6 (but not all of them) and then about another 10-15 programs in other conferences (Gonzaga, New Mexico, BYU, UConn, Cincinnati, Wichita State, Memphis, Dayton, VCU and a few others).

Sadly, I think there are those in a position of power who like things the way there are. They want to ensure that the P5 schools get all the media revenue, all the tournament credits, all the exposure, etc. while schools in the other conferences wilt.
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(04-10-2017 09:42 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 09:31 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Power Conference designation should really just be reserved for Football. With FBS, it is tangible and established what a Power Conference is, and who the P5 are. The networks, TV deals and bowl agreements confirm that.

With basketball, it really doesn't matter. How many teams the American can get in is not affected by how many the B1G can get in. While the conference championship winners get into the NCAA Tournament via autobids, many at-large teams from the top 8 conferences will regularly get in. There are no set parameters on how many teams from the American could, conceivably, get in. It could be as low as one (unlikely) or as many as six/seven in a great year (also unlikely). I think the average, with the addition of Wichita State, will be around 4-5.

I generally concur. IMHO there are "high resource" basketball programs and then there are not. The high resource schools span most in the P5/P6 (but not all of them) and then about another 10-15 programs in other conferences (Gonzaga, New Mexico, BYU, UConn, Cincinnati, Wichita State, Memphis, Dayton, VCU and a few others).

Sadly, I think there are those in a position of power who like things the way there are. They want to ensure that the P5 schools get all the media revenue, all the tournament credits, all the exposure, etc. while schools in the other conferences wilt.

And that's what, in my mind, makes college basketball run smoother than football. Today, in football, you have the College Football Playoff, highlighting and promoting the perceived best teams in the country (but really the P5), with one guaranteed Access Bowl Slot for the G5 (Western Michigan, Houston, Boise State). Is it fair? Probably not. Is it efficient? For the P5 it is, but the G5 not so much.

For college basketball, everyone and every conference has an opportunity. If you are unfairly left out of the NCAA Tournament, you are most likely somewhere between #45 and #60 in the country. However, there is no top-10 team left out, and the smaller conferences are not grouped together for one spot to compete. Every conference is guaranteed an opportunity in the big dance.

Having said that, logistically, it is easier to do a large-scale tournament in basketball rather than football. You can't play on back-to-back days in football like in basketball. You can only, really, play once a week in football. With basketball, however, you can play two whole rounds in a span of four days, and knock out the whole tournament in a span of three weeks. That's the beauty of the NCAA Tournament - and the big reason why wide-scale change won't be coming to affect it. The TV deal is locked into place for awhile, and the networks, IMO, would put their foot down if the P5 tried to do the same thing in basketball as they have done in football.
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