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RE: Is the AAC a 'Power Conference' at least in basketball now w/t addition of WSU?
(04-09-2017 12:59 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  For the record I voted no. I think that just adding WSU is going to lead to cannibalization among the AAC programs with a chance at getting a bid, and IMO will eventually lead to Marshall bailing on WSU first decent chance he gets.

The AAC's problem isn't that the top of the conference wasn't good enough.....it's the fact that the rest of the conference was that damn bad. For all the good this does to the top of the conference it makes the bottom that much worse.

I also vote no, but I'm not ready to accept the idea that the top of the AAC is good enough to warrant "power" status. To me, the top would have to be good enough to be legitimate contenders to win the tournament, not just get invited most years. The initial perception of the AAC is that UConn is such a team. But I'm not convinced they can maintain the level of excellence they achieved in the (original) Big East under Calhoun. Their time may have passed.

Other than UConn, who else is going to be a perennial contender? Maybe WSU can be, but their recent success notwithstanding, I'm not convinced they are.

To me, "multi-bid league" does not equal "power conference". The AAC is the former, and WSU solidifies that status. IMO, they have now separated themselves (further)from the A10 and are one of the Top 8 conferences (out of 32). That's nothing to be ashamed of.
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(04-09-2017 07:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  Other than UConn, who else is going to be a perennial contender?

NCAA Appearances - Last 10 Seasons

UCF - 0
Cincinnati - 7
Connecticut - 6
East Carolina - 0
Houston - 1
Memphis - 6
South Florida - 1
SMU - 2*
Temple - 7
Tulane - 0
Tulsa - 2
Wichita State - 6

38 Appearances, or 3.8 per season. Over the course of a decade, none of the teams are what I'd call 'perennial contenders', but Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, Temple and Wichita State all made it more often than they missed it over that span.
04-09-2017 08:13 AM
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Close in MBB; galaxies away in CFB
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Looks like we have 14 fans of AAC schools voting.
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I voted Yes but admit that Kaplony and Ken-d bring up some legitimate points.

I just want to address one comment right now:
Quote:IMO, [AAC] have now separated themselves (further)from the A10 and are one of the Top 8 conferences (out of 32). That's nothing to be ashamed of.
If AAC is now judged to be ahead of the A10, wouldn't that put AAC in the Top 7 not Top 8?

If we view the following as the Top 8:
ACC
BE
Big <XII
SEC
B1G
PAC
AAC
A10
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(04-09-2017 08:14 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Looks like we have 14 fans of AAC schools voting.

That's what I'm saying about this poll.
You have a lot of fans of other conferences 'defending their turf' by voting the other way.
Its a meaningless exercise.
04-09-2017 09:23 AM
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(04-09-2017 09:23 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 08:14 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Looks like we have 14 fans of AAC schools voting.

That's what I'm saying about this poll.
You have a lot of fans of other conferences 'defending their turf' by voting the other way.
Its a meaningless exercise.

Not really, it's that the power conferences get at least 1/2 of the teams in the tournament.
04-09-2017 09:28 AM
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Nm
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(04-09-2017 09:28 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 09:23 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 08:14 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Looks like we have 14 fans of AAC schools voting.

That's what I'm saying about this poll.
You have a lot of fans of other conferences 'defending their turf' by voting the other way.
Its a meaningless exercise.

Not really, it's that the power conferences get at least 1/2 of the teams in the tournament.

My friend, all polls on these boards are nothing but pissing contests.

How many conferences have a national championship to their credit in the last handful of years?
We can talk about consistent bids as another metric of relevance but the AAC wasn't expecting consistent bids right out of the gate. It was a build to begin with because programs were chosen to ensure long term success in all sports. For those out of the conference, its easy to puff out their chests when multiple AAC teams have new regimes and short benches.
The Wichita State addition is another great move for the conference that extends the efforts with the new coaches and infrastructure that have gone in to the movement.
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The AAC will always be fighting against perception and for the opportunity to be included with the power conferences. They are fully capable of changing that perception, and establishing itself as a power football/basketball conference, but, IMHO today, they are not. Power conferences have power programs that can be depended on year-in and year-out to carry the league and the brand. The B1G has Michigan/Ohio State in football, and Michigan State, Indiana, Maryland, and Wisconsin in basketball. The SEC has Alabama in football and Kentucky in basketball. The P5 have those programs.

For the American, in football, who has that brand today? The answer, again for today, is no one. Obviously, Houston has a great year last year. UCF did a few years ago. However, it's the year-to-year consistency and establishment that it will compete nationally. In basketball for the American, it's different. UConn is a national brand. However, there is a perception that UConn is struggling after Calhoun/Big East. Next year isn't looking very well either. Memphis can be a top brand, but they, too, have struggled since Calipari - and his 2008 team had everything vacated.

The other big perception that the American faces, more so than other power conferences, is the negative perception of empty stadiums/arenas. IMO, this is largely because any non-P5 conference will struggle with a lack of regional conference members, and the American ranges from Texas to Florida to the Northeast - hardly easy for everyday fans to see games.

There's no question that the American is investing. However, the consistent results on the field/court need to back that up - and the fans of those schools need to show up.

The interesting argument to make is whether the American still adds Wichita State if UConn, Memphis and Temple were winning like they have historically done so, and if Tulane/ECU/USF weren't dragging the bottom of the league down in basketball. SMU has done great in basketball, because of their investment in Larry Brown. Cincinnati has continued to win with Cronin. UCF seems like it has made a great hire in Dawkins, but can he sustain that success and does he stay at UCF?

Long response, but simple answer: Right now the American is not a power conference, but they have the potential and resources to be considered as such long-term.
04-09-2017 09:48 AM
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