Doesn't sound like they want back in the Slummit, but the Valley on the other hand ...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...30799.html

Kareem Richardson has had one (barely) winning season in the WAC & an overall W% of just .419 in the last 4 years. Would love to see what life looks like for Roos in MVC.

UMKC will never be invited by the MVC.

I agree with Frank. UMKC is dreaming.

Maybe not, there is some resistance among Valpo Alumni to moving. Both leagues offer Chicago opponents, the travel is the same, but Valpo grads outside of Chicago live in the urban areas of the Horizon opponents and almost none in the more rural towns of the MVC. Milwaukee and Detroit are important alumni and fund raising spots. Many are questioning the move from a one bid conference to another where the competition for that bid is likely more difficult.

Belmont is probably a no. So it might come down to a "who is willing to come" deal, in which case Kansas City and Omaha come to the fore. But even if Valpo does accept the MVC, there is a good chance UMKC may be the best willing option for the Horizon, although Denver is also a possible.

I'd say there is a moderately good chance Kansas City leaves by the 2018-19 season. That makes focusing on UCSD to come on board soon after Cal Baptist should be a priority, and pitching Asuza Pacific following that. It'll be a new "border" conference (Seattle the Canadian border, everyone else except Utah Valley the Mexican border).

(04-08-2017 03:25 PM)gleadley Wrote:  Kareem Richardson has had one (barely) winning season in the WAC & an overall W% of just .419 in the last 4 years. Would love to see what life looks like for Roos in MVC.

UMKC has gotten better in the WAC. There is no reason that if we stepped up, it wouldn't get better in MVC. MVC would help with recruiting. I'd like to see GCU, NMSU, and UMKC all join MVC. That league could be a multiple bid league. It would also help GCU and NMSU strength of schedule.

Also we use to have a rivalry with Oakland, Oral Roberts, and Valpo in the old Mid-Con. Attendance was much better.
You can tell that from the worst moment in UMKC basketball history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVar5u1UbRs

We have been downhill since then. Slight uptick once we joined WAC.

It looks like you actually had fans attending games back then.

UMKC left the Summit because they couldn't compete. They have done nothing in the WAC and now they want into the MVC because they say travel costs too much. Oh, and in an attempt to get noticed they call the press to make sure the MVC know they want in, what a screwed up school

UMKC has as much chance at the MVC as NMSU does to the Pac 12 or Seattle to the WCC.

When the Missouri Valley added Loyola of Chicago, Illinois Chicago also wanted into the conference. Now that the MVC is looking for a replacement for Wichita State, I'm sure the Red flames will make a second bid to join the Valley. I could also see the MVC consider Nebraska Omaha (Summit) and/or Northern Kentucky (Horizon); which fit more the MVC mold.

The Missouri Valley still has two good programs in Illinois State and Northern Iowa; although UNI was down this year. However, the loss of Wichita State (and Creighton) has made the Valley less attractive to Horizon League teams.

(04-08-2017 05:22 PM)RoosHouse Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 03:25 PM)gleadley Wrote:  Kareem Richardson has had one (barely) winning season in the WAC & an overall W% of just .419 in the last 4 years. Would love to see what life looks like for Roos in MVC.

UMKC has gotten better in the WAC. There is no reason that if we stepped up, it wouldn't get better in MVC. MVC would help with recruiting. I'd like to see GCU, NMSU, and UMKC all join MVC. That league could be a multiple bid league. It would also help GCU and NMSU strength of schedule.

Also we use to have a rivalry with Oakland, Oral Roberts, and Valpo in the old Mid-Con. Attendance was much better.
You can tell that from the worst moment in UMKC basketball history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVar5u1UbRs

We have been downhill since then. Slight uptick once we joined WAC.

Funny you linked that. I was randomly thinking of that exact game a few hours ago.

Those were the golden days for both programs.

Hi guys! Normally I post in the SEC forum as a TN fan but I do live outside of Kansas City and am intrigued by this round of MVC expansion. I am still fairly new to the area but UMKC competes against the Royals, Chiefs and Sporting, however if they had some success and invested even a little more into their b-ball program, I think they could get fans easily as [i]the[i] Kansas City basketball team. I'd love to see them make it to the MVC eventually but I'm not sure that they bring enough right now. It does makes sense to me for UMKC to be in a league with closer regional opponents, and I imagine a league with Oral Roberts (Tulsa), UNO (Omaha), and UMKC would be excited about those markets. So if MVC takes UMKC, just be patient with them and I think you might like the results. (A little bit of extra money to push their b-ball budget to $2 million would go a long way, and a few winning seasons and marketing skills could get their attendance up fairly easily).

On the other hand, the conference is kind of in a win now mode. With that in mind, it does seem like someone like Murray State would be a much better fit for now.

So, while I'm not expecting UMKC to be in the MVC, I think the conference could certainly do worse, and it could be a solid option especially down the road.

(04-08-2017 10:53 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  When the Missouri Valley added Loyola of Chicago, Illinois Chicago also wanted into the conference. Now that the MVC is looking for a replacement for Wichita State, I'm sure the Red flames will make a second bid to join the Valley. I could also see the MVC consider Nebraska Omaha (Summit) and/or Northern Kentucky (Horizon); which fit more the MVC mold.

The Missouri Valley still has two good programs in Illinois State and Northern Iowa; although UNI was down this year. However, the loss of Wichita State (and Creighton) has made the Valley less attractive to Horizon League teams.

While Omaha & Northern Kentucky would be good fits in terms of bringing larger markets into the Valley for recruiting purposes (Cincy & Omaha), iMO a home run addition wouid be Oakland. Large public U in suburban metro Detroit, a region with lots of hoops talent and one of the top 10 markets nationally. Oakland has been a D1 since 1997 so they are a more mature program. Since then thay have won the Summit League title 3 times in their tenure there (1999-2013) (05,10,11) Both regular season and conference tourney champs. IN 09 they reached the quarterfinals of the CIT losing to Bradley by 1, in 12 they made it to the Semi FInals losing to UT St, In 16 they lost the finals of the Vegas 16 to Old Dominion by 1 pt and in 17 THEY BEAT Clemson in the NIT opening round on the road and lost in the 2nd round to Richmond on the road by 4 pts.

In their 3 NCAA tourney appearances the last was 2011 they lost to texas by 4.

So they have represnted decently in the Post season. Bringing the MVC into another top 10 market would be a big get.

the Valley is already well represented in Chicago and Detroit would be a much bigger addition thatn Omaha or Kansas City.

Serious question, why did UMKC leave the Summit for the WAC. The air travel expenses have to be large.

(04-10-2017 11:22 AM)Policiious Wrote:  the Valley is already well represented in Chicago and Detroit would be a much bigger addition thatn Omaha or Kansas City.

I understand your reasoning from a MVC aspect but why would Oakland leave the Horizon when they are king and there is not much difference in strength between the Horizon and the Missouri Valley since Wichita and Creighton left? Oakland gains very little by making a move. The same goes for Valpo. I highlighted UN Omaha and North Kentucky because of school proximity and their fit with the current MVC. And, the likelihood that the MVC could attract them away from their present conference situation.

(04-10-2017 11:25 AM)Policiious Wrote:  Serious question, why did UMKC leave the Summit for the WAC. The air travel expenses have to be large.

They couldn't compete, thought the WAC offered a better opportunity to be successful (make the NCAA tournament) and they were supposedly promised a shot at hosting the conference tournament in KC. Yes, their travel expenses are huge. It was a dumb move made by a poorly run athletic department.

(04-10-2017 12:03 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:22 AM)Policiious Wrote:  the Valley is already well represented in Chicago and Detroit would be a much bigger addition thatn Omaha or Kansas City.

I understand your reasoning from a MVC aspect but why would Oakland leave the Horizon when they are king and there is not much difference in strength between the Horizon and the Missouri Valley since Wichita and Creighton left? Oakland gains very little by making a move. The same goes for Valpo. I highlighted UN Omaha and North Kentucky because of school proximity and their fit with the current MVC. And, the likelihood that the MVC could attract them away from their present conference situation.

Oakland won't be leaving the Horizon. That's just another pipe dream put out there by MVC fans who see the multi bid MVC of a decade ago, not the one bid MVC of today.

Oakland are thrilled. They are in the conference they always wanted. They have a close rival (Detroit Mercy) and the Horizon conference tournament is in their backyard (Detroit).

Kampe is a very smart guy and he runs the show at Oakland (been there since '84). He is not going to leave a one bid league for another one bid league unless the situation is better for Oakland. Moving to the MVC is not a better move.

(04-10-2017 12:51 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 12:03 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:22 AM)Policiious Wrote:  the Valley is already well represented in Chicago and Detroit would be a much bigger addition thatn Omaha or Kansas City.

I understand your reasoning from a MVC aspect but why would Oakland leave the Horizon when they are king and there is not much difference in strength between the Horizon and the Missouri Valley since Wichita and Creighton left? Oakland gains very little by making a move. The same goes for Valpo. I highlighted UN Omaha and North Kentucky because of school proximity and their fit with the current MVC. And, the likelihood that the MVC could attract them away from their present conference situation.

Oakland won't be leaving the Horizon. That's just another pipe dream put out there by MVC fans who see the multi bid MVC of a decade ago, not the one bid MVC of today.

Oakland are thrilled. They are in the conference they always wanted. They have a close rival (Detroit Mercy) and the Horizon conference tournament is in their backyard (Detroit).

Kampe is a very smart guy and he runs the show at Oakland (been there since '84). He is not going to leave a one bid league for another one bid league unless the situation is better for Oakland. Moving to the MVC is not a better move.

Ex UTRGV coach Hipsher is an assistant there. AD is still CSUB ex AD Konya.

Currently mobile....but not necessarily upwardly.

The names that come up for expansion when I check reporters for the MVC that I get are

1. Valparaiso
2. Murray State
3. Belmont (may actually be choice #1)

UIC, Omaha and Kansas City are not on the list. How many ranges from 1 to 2 to 3. Reporters have been told Belmont would have some problems with MVC scholarship requirements, and Valpo need to refurbish their arena.

For the Horizon some vague talk about choices, but this is very speculative and early. Would not put any weight on it.

Both conferences are talking about 20 game schedules.