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I don't disagree @odubb35 but the problem is the CAA isn't good anymore. Us coming back would be good and CoC was a nice addition but the addition of Stony Brook and Elon really hurt the athletic profile.

VCU isn't ever going back to the CAA. At least George Mason leaving made the league better!

(04-09-2017 12:14 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  I don't disagree @odubb35 but the problem is the CAA isn't good anymore. Us coming back would be good and CoC was a nice addition but the addition of Stony Brook and Elon really hurt the athletic profile.

VCU isn't ever going back to the CAA. At least George Mason leaving made the league better!

It's still one of the best mid major leagues... CUSA is not.

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CUSA basketball has sucked but I maintain that it does have potential. There are 6 or 7 schools that actually care about basketball.

HM's scenario has maybe 3 and puts us together with 2 Big South schools. No thanks.

@monatchblue, don't kid yourself. The CAA might be better (might) than CUSA right now but they aren't one of the best.

(04-09-2017 01:25 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  @monatchblue, don't kid yourself. The CAA might be better (might) than CUSA right now but they aren't one of the best.

And yet the rankings continue to put them there.

Don't let your biases cloud your judgement. The numbers put CAA up with the best mid majors, while they have CUSA down with the Big South, and this is not just a one year anomaly.

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@monarchblue, let us know what the rankings are over the last few years when you get a chance. BTW, no CAA team has an at large bid since we left but I'm sure you already know know that.

@ODU Hoops https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...2017-04-04

Have a look for yourself. Not only is CAA significantly better, there are schools within traveling distance, a tournament that is accessible, and ready made rivalries. There is no good argument for CUSA being a better destination for us if basketball is the only consideration.

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(04-08-2017 03:24 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 12:07 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  North - ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, Charlotte, App

South - WKU, MTSU, UAB, Ga State, Ga Southern, Coastal

Almost every current rivalry preserved.

Basketball Tourny in Charlotte which is driveable for every school.

Avg football attendance 20,000 plus using current averages. Would probably improve due to proximities.

Football rpi would be #8 as compared to this years numbers


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BTW, using Real Time RPI numbers this conference would have finished 12 th overall in basketball this past year. Heck of an improvement over where CUSA finished.

This league would be a huge basketball upgrade from where we are now. The difference is those 300 or worse RPI schools are gone. If you don't believe it, run the numbers yourself.



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(04-09-2017 08:33 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 03:24 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 12:07 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  North - ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, Charlotte, App

South - WKU, MTSU, UAB, Ga State, Ga Southern, Coastal

Almost every current rivalry preserved.

Basketball Tourny in Charlotte which is driveable for every school.

Avg football attendance 20,000 plus using current averages. Would probably improve due to proximities.

Football rpi would be #8 as compared to this years numbers


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BTW, using Real Time RPI numbers this conference would have finished 12 th overall in basketball this past year. Heck of an improvement over where CUSA finished.

This league would be a huge basketball upgrade from where we are now. The difference is those 300 or worse RPI schools are gone. If you don't believe it, run the numbers yourself.



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I think you guys are saying the same thing

@monarchblue, looks like the CAA was higher ranked the last two seasons, and C-USA was ranked higher the three seasons before that.

I'm not a big fan of C-USA at all, but to say the CAA is much better just isn't true. It also isn't an option for us with FBS football unless they are planning to make an exception for us.

CUSA has grown on me. The 2 missing links, South Carolina and Georgia. Take Coastal and Georgia Southern and the puzzle is complete. Yes, 16 teams.

I'd still rather just boot the Texas schools and let them get picked up by Midwest/central/western conferences. That move alone would do wonders for the conference, performance and travel budget wise. The only major loss is UTEP, which we seem to kind of be building a decent rivalry, but the 2000 mile gap is a bit of a buzzkill. It would be nice to be in a conference where the HQ isn't in a different timezone.

(04-10-2017 07:32 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I'd still rather just boot the Texas schools and let them get picked up by Midwest/central/western conferences. That move alone would do wonders for the conference, performance and travel budget wise. The only major loss is UTEP, which we seem to kind of be building a decent rivalry, but the 2000 mile gap is a bit of a buzzkill. It would be nice to be in a conference where the HQ isn't in a different timezone.

Agreed. Drop TX and if we could drop the FUs and replace with the GSUs or GaSt and App it would be even better.

(04-09-2017 10:04 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  @monarchblue, looks like the CAA was higher ranked the last two seasons, and C-USA was ranked higher the three seasons before that.

I'm not a big fan of C-USA at all, but to say the CAA is much better just isn't true. It also isn't an option for us with FBS football unless they are planning to make an exception for us.

CUSA was ranked higher when it had Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, UCF, SMU, Cinci, Houston, Memphis. It replaced them with MTSU, WKU, ODU, UNCC, La Tech, NTx, UTSA, UTep, FIU, FAU. Not exactly and even swap.

C-USA has more credible football and basketball programs with a history than the Sunbelt. Basketball success will come. Teams like MTSU and WKU left the Sunbelt to join C-USA. Be happy and make this league better.

Don't monkey with this league.

(04-10-2017 07:32 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I'd still rather just boot the Texas schools and let them get picked up by Midwest/central/western conferences. That move alone would do wonders for the conference, performance and travel budget wise. The only major loss is UTEP, which we seem to kind of be building a decent rivalry, but the 2000 mile gap is a bit of a buzzkill. It would be nice to be in a conference where the HQ isn't in a different timezone.

+1

(04-10-2017 07:32 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I'd still rather just boot the Texas schools and let them get picked up by Midwest/central/western conferences. That move alone would do wonders for the conference, performance and travel budget wise. The only major loss is UTEP, which we seem to kind of be building a decent rivalry, but the 2000 mile gap is a bit of a buzzkill. It would be nice to be in a conference where the HQ isn't in a different timezone.

A10 headquarters are not only in the same time zone, but in the same area code and has 6 members that are closer than the nearest CUSA member.

Since the AAC seems to not be in the cards, we should be working hard behind the scenes to a scenerio where we can put all other sports in the A10 while still playing FBS football somewhere, be it CUSA, Sunbelt, or MAC. We can keep football spending as is and spend the travel savings on basketball so we can get to the point that we can compete in the A10.

(04-10-2017 10:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 07:32 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I'd still rather just boot the Texas schools and let them get picked up by Midwest/central/western conferences. That move alone would do wonders for the conference, performance and travel budget wise. The only major loss is UTEP, which we seem to kind of be building a decent rivalry, but the 2000 mile gap is a bit of a buzzkill. It would be nice to be in a conference where the HQ isn't in a different timezone.

A10 headquarters are not only in the same time zone, but in the same area code and has 6 members that are closer than the nearest CUSA member.

Since the AAC seems to not be in the cards, we should be working hard behind the scenes to a scenerio where we can put all other sports in the A10 while still playing FBS football somewhere, be it CUSA, Sunbelt, or MAC. We can keep football spending as is and spend the travel savings on basketball so we can get to the point that we can compete in the A10.

I would love for A10 to have us, but why would they want to expand to grab us? Why would any FBS conference take our sports in without bringing basketball?

I would have much rather been A10 and FCS football or no football at all, but that train has already left. I don't really see an easy way to shoehorn our way back in like that.

(04-10-2017 11:05 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 07:32 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I'd still rather just boot the Texas schools and let them get picked up by Midwest/central/western conferences. That move alone would do wonders for the conference, performance and travel budget wise. The only major loss is UTEP, which we seem to kind of be building a decent rivalry, but the 2000 mile gap is a bit of a buzzkill. It would be nice to be in a conference where the HQ isn't in a different timezone.

A10 headquarters are not only in the same time zone, but in the same area code and has 6 members that are closer than the nearest CUSA member.

Since the AAC seems to not be in the cards, we should be working hard behind the scenes to a scenerio where we can put all other sports in the A10 while still playing FBS football somewhere, be it CUSA, Sunbelt, or MAC. We can keep football spending as is and spend the travel savings on basketball so we can get to the point that we can compete in the A10.

I would love for A10 to have us, but why would they want to expand to grab us? Why would any FBS conference take our sports in without bringing basketball?

I would have much rather been A10 and FCS football or no football at all, but that train has already left. I don't really see an easy way to shoehorn our way back in like that.

Why wouldn't the A10 have us? New market, existing rivalries, zero cost for the league to travel to ODU for meetings etc.

The other question is a bit trickier, but that's why we have a president and AD. Going off Harry's article, the pressure should be on CUSA itself to drop all other sports and become a football only conference as it is hurting everyone. Even if the A10 doesn't take us (and I think they would), the CAA certainly will and though that would not be the most desirable result, at least travel costs plummet and the basketball conference would still suck a little less than the current 14-team CUSA.

(04-08-2017 09:37 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 09:32 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 09:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Please don't include Liberty. Their reputation as ideologues is not anything I want our school associated with.

Honestly, I've never understood this line of thinking. I don't see how being in the same conference as Liberty all of a sudden means ODU agrees shares their beliefs. Do the ACC schools feel that way about sharing a conference with Catholic schools? Do you think Univ. of San Diego is somehow in cahoots with the LDS church because of BYU? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Let's try a different approach. If you look at the proposed teams, which one doesn't fit the profile of the others?

Presidents decide and that will preclude some of the schools on that list ending up together.