...but here's the catch. Andraya has not yet begun process toward sex reassignment surgery. She has not begun taking puberty/hormone blockers. Andraya is - physically - a boy competing against girls.
Is that fair to the girls? And if so, why even separate girls and boys athletics?
(This post was last modified: 04-07-2017 05:41 PM by Chappy.)
...but here's the catch. Andraya has not yet begun process toward sex reassignment surgery. She has not begun taking puberty/hormone blockers. Andraya is - physically - a boy competing against girls.
Is that fair to the girls? And if so, why even separate girls and boys athletics?
For purposes of competition, I think that a doctors note, from a licensed medical doctor (including a medical psychologist with a Medical Degree) that the person is Transgender as a permanent state of affairs should suffice.
From a practical perspective, boys are not going to claim another gender in order to 'win' unfairly.
You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.
...but here's the catch. Andraya has not yet begun process toward sex reassignment surgery. She has not begun taking puberty/hormone blockers. Andraya is - physically - a boy competing against girls.
Is that fair to the girls? And if so, why even separate girls and boys athletics?
For purposes of competition, I think that a doctors note, from a licensed medical doctor (including a medical psychologist with a Medical Degree) that the person is Transgender as a permanent state of affairs should suffice.
From a practical perspective, boys are not going to claim another gender in order to 'win' unfairly.
So you think they should have a note from a doctor to compete, but should be allowed to shower and pee with the opposite sex if they "feel" like it?
(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote: You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.
(04-07-2017 05:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: For purposes of competition, I think that a doctors note, from a licensed medical doctor (including a medical psychologist with a Medical Degree) that the person is Transgender as a permanent state of affairs should suffice.
From a practical perspective, boys are not going to claim another gender in order to 'win' unfairly.
If all you need is a note and you can get a 200K educational experience for free you can bet your bottom dollar someone will.
It would not be a mass thing, but it would only take a few to undermine everything title IX has accomplished.
Here's the thing... There is an inherent advantage fo having a male anatomy"
"With family, friends and teammates cheering her on at her first high school track meet, Andraya won the girls 100- and 200-meter dashes, and helped her 4x100-meter relay team take second place. She ran 11.99 seconds in the 100 and 26.34 in the 200."
For the reference... This is a *Freshman* putting up 100 times twi seconds faster than the highest rated seniors in the state.
think about it... If the stats are true there are about 55K trans kids graduating who can now compete in womens track. There are only 12,000 womens D1 track scholarships.
(04-07-2017 05:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: For purposes of competition, I think that a doctors note, from a licensed medical doctor (including a medical psychologist with a Medical Degree) that the person is Transgender as a permanent state of affairs should suffice.
From a practical perspective, boys are not going to claim another gender in order to 'win' unfairly.
If a doctor's note suffices, then Lauren Southern is trans. I must say, he's quite a handsome, young man.
(04-07-2017 05:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: For purposes of competition, I think that a doctors note, from a licensed medical doctor (including a medical psychologist with a Medical Degree) that the person is Transgender as a permanent state of affairs should suffice.
From a practical perspective, boys are not going to claim another gender in order to 'win' unfairly.
If a doctor's note suffices, then Lauren Southern is trans. I must say, he's quite a handsome, young man.
(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote: You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.
250,000 practicing and degreed medical professionals in the USA agree with me. Your side, claims 500, but I suspect the number is closer to 100.
So for every medical professional that agrees with you...500-2500 agree with me.
(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote: You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.
250,000 practicing and degreed medical professionals in the USA agree with me. Your side, claims 500, but I suspect the number is closer to 100.
So for every medical professional that agrees with you...500-2500 agree with me.
(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote: You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.
I came to the same conclusion long ago and see no evidence to make me change that view.
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2017 08:35 AM by Fo Shizzle.)
(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote: You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.
250,000 practicing and degreed medical professionals in the USA agree with me. Your side, claims 500, but I suspect the number is closer to 100.
So for every medical professional that agrees with you...500-2500 agree with me.
social pressure from the SJW mobs more than anything.
(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote: You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.
250,000 practicing and degreed medical professionals in the USA agree with me. Your side, claims 500, but I suspect the number is closer to 100.
So for every medical professional that agrees with you...500-2500 agree with me.
Let me clear an apparent misunderstanding up.
I don't give a flying **** how many quacks are out there mutilating perfectly healthy physical bodies because of a mental disorder.
Your post was pure bs anyway. You're just quoting membership of two groups. APA, 250,000 and one of the smaller orgs you don't like. You can fill in the name. Membership is by individuals, not sheep. They don't all agree with every stand the APA takes. You and whatever percentage of the APA prefer to be wrong are free to be wrong. Just a shame that their right to be wrong leads to unnecessary body mutilation. Should be criminal.
No matter how many hormones are given nor how extensive the mutilation, one can NOT change their sex. And all the wasted effort and expense does nothing to address the mental disorder. YOU AREN'T HELPING PEOPLE.
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2017 09:18 AM by Paul M.)
(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote: You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.
250,000 practicing and degreed medical professionals in the USA agree with me. Your side, claims 500, but I suspect the number is closer to 100.
So for every medical professional that agrees with you...500-2500 agree with me.
Let me clear an apparent misunderstanding up.
I don't give a flying **** how many quacks are out there mutilating perfectly healthy physical bodies because of a mental disorder.
Your post was pure bs anyway. You're just quoting membership of two groups. APA, 250,000 and one of the smaller orgs you don't like. You can fill in the name. Membership is by individuals, not sheep. They don't all agree with every stand the APA takes. You and whatever percentage of the APA prefer to be wrong are free to be wrong. Just a shame that their right to be wrong leads to unnecessary body mutilation. Should be criminal.
No matter how many hormones are given nor how extensive the mutilation, one can NOT change their sex. And all the wasted effort and expense does nothing to address the mental disorder. YOU AREN'T HELPING PEOPLE.
Ding ding ding ding.
Just cause I feel like a Miller Lite doesn't make me a bottle of tasty beer.
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At what point is one considered trans?
