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(04-08-2017 09:17 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 01:56 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.

250,000 practicing and degreed medical professionals in the USA agree with me. Your side, claims 500, but I suspect the number is closer to 100.

So for every medical professional that agrees with you...500-2500 agree with me.

Let me clear an apparent misunderstanding up.

I don't give a flying **** how many quacks are out there mutilating perfectly healthy physical bodies because of a mental disorder.

Your post was pure bs anyway. You're just quoting membership of two groups. APA, 250,000 and one of the smaller orgs you don't like. You can fill in the name. Membership is by individuals, not sheep. They don't all agree with every stand the APA takes. You and whatever percentage of the APA prefer to be wrong are free to be wrong. Just a shame that their right to be wrong leads to unnecessary body mutilation. Should be criminal.

No matter how many hormones are given nor how extensive the mutilation, one can NOT change their sex. And all the wasted effort and expense does nothing to address the mental disorder. YOU AREN'T HELPING PEOPLE.

Again, one would think that if there was any significant agreement with your position that being Trans is a harmful medical disorder that should be responded to with aversion or other 'treatments' to try to get the person to not be (Gay/Trans), then there'd be more than 100 practicing degreed medical professionals in the "medical' associations that were set up simply to promote the concept that Transgenderism is not a real thing or is something to be controlled. One can be a member of both groups if one wants to be a member of the APA, the AMA, etc and be a member of the anti-Trans groups.

(04-08-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 09:17 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 01:56 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.

250,000 practicing and degreed medical professionals in the USA agree with me. Your side, claims 500, but I suspect the number is closer to 100.

So for every medical professional that agrees with you...500-2500 agree with me.

Let me clear an apparent misunderstanding up.

I don't give a flying **** how many quacks are out there mutilating perfectly healthy physical bodies because of a mental disorder.

Your post was pure bs anyway. You're just quoting membership of two groups. APA, 250,000 and one of the smaller orgs you don't like. You can fill in the name. Membership is by individuals, not sheep. They don't all agree with every stand the APA takes. You and whatever percentage of the APA prefer to be wrong are free to be wrong. Just a shame that their right to be wrong leads to unnecessary body mutilation. Should be criminal.

No matter how many hormones are given nor how extensive the mutilation, one can NOT change their sex. And all the wasted effort and expense does nothing to address the mental disorder. YOU AREN'T HELPING PEOPLE.

Again, one would think that if there was any significant agreement with your position that being Trans is a harmful medical disorder that should be responded to with aversion or other 'treatments' to try to get the person to not be (Gay/Trans), then there'd be more than 100 practicing degreed medical professionals in the "medical' associations that were set up simply to promote the concept that Transgenderism is not a real thing or is something to be controlled. One can be a member of both groups if one wants to be a member of the APA, the AMA, etc and be a member of the anti-Trans groups.

Isn't the suicide rate around 41% compared to 4.6 for everyone else? I'm not a doctor but that tells me it's a very harmful disorder

(04-08-2017 10:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 09:17 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 01:56 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.

250,000 practicing and degreed medical professionals in the USA agree with me. Your side, claims 500, but I suspect the number is closer to 100.

So for every medical professional that agrees with you...500-2500 agree with me.

Let me clear an apparent misunderstanding up.

I don't give a flying **** how many quacks are out there mutilating perfectly healthy physical bodies because of a mental disorder.

Your post was pure bs anyway. You're just quoting membership of two groups. APA, 250,000 and one of the smaller orgs you don't like. You can fill in the name. Membership is by individuals, not sheep. They don't all agree with every stand the APA takes. You and whatever percentage of the APA prefer to be wrong are free to be wrong. Just a shame that their right to be wrong leads to unnecessary body mutilation. Should be criminal.

No matter how many hormones are given nor how extensive the mutilation, one can NOT change their sex. And all the wasted effort and expense does nothing to address the mental disorder. YOU AREN'T HELPING PEOPLE.

Again, one would think that if there was any significant agreement with your position that being Trans is a harmful medical disorder that should be responded to with aversion or other 'treatments' to try to get the person to not be (Gay/Trans), then there'd be more than 100 practicing degreed medical professionals in the "medical' associations that were set up simply to promote the concept that Transgenderism is not a real thing or is something to be controlled. One can be a member of both groups if one wants to be a member of the APA, the AMA, etc and be a member of the anti-Trans groups.

Isn't the suicide rate around 41% compared to 4.6 for everyone else? I'm not a doctor but that tells me it's a very harmful disorder

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I don't think there is a simple answer. In some cases it could be mental illness and in other cases biological.

The one trans person I know has a history of mental problems but it's unfair to characterize a whole group that way.

(04-08-2017 11:04 AM)shere khan Wrote:  I don't think there is a simple answer. In some cases it could be mental illness and in other cases biological.

The one trans person I know has a history of mental problems but it's unfair to characterize a whole group that way.

XACLY!

it's simply another form of long term depressive status coupled with how it rewires the brain over time or there is a dna/chromosomal mix-up...therefore, it becomes extremely complicated....

there are many interesting and credible studies that deal with neurological rewiring over time....

we're only beginning to understand the complications how the skull cap evolves within the many variables that make up the equation....

I only see long term bio-engineering solutions moving forward to create normalization as opposed to letting nature continue to run it's variant course....

one day, they'll figure it all out and the 'crazies' will slowly die-off....trans is only one form of 'not normal'....I've got the timeline pegged at 500 yrs. max.....

(04-08-2017 10:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 09:17 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 01:56 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:00 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You're never trans. Just suffering from a mental disorder and should be treated by a legitimate professional, not these quacks physically altering a persons body instead of treating the mental problem.

250,000 practicing and degreed medical professionals in the USA agree with me. Your side, claims 500, but I suspect the number is closer to 100.

So for every medical professional that agrees with you...500-2500 agree with me.

Let me clear an apparent misunderstanding up.

I don't give a flying **** how many quacks are out there mutilating perfectly healthy physical bodies because of a mental disorder.

Your post was pure bs anyway. You're just quoting membership of two groups. APA, 250,000 and one of the smaller orgs you don't like. You can fill in the name. Membership is by individuals, not sheep. They don't all agree with every stand the APA takes. You and whatever percentage of the APA prefer to be wrong are free to be wrong. Just a shame that their right to be wrong leads to unnecessary body mutilation. Should be criminal.

No matter how many hormones are given nor how extensive the mutilation, one can NOT change their sex. And all the wasted effort and expense does nothing to address the mental disorder. YOU AREN'T HELPING PEOPLE.

Again, one would think that if there was any significant agreement with your position that being Trans is a harmful medical disorder that should be responded to with aversion or other 'treatments' to try to get the person to not be (Gay/Trans), then there'd be more than 100 practicing degreed medical professionals in the "medical' associations that were set up simply to promote the concept that Transgenderism is not a real thing or is something to be controlled. One can be a member of both groups if one wants to be a member of the APA, the AMA, etc and be a member of the anti-Trans groups.

Isn't the suicide rate around 41% compared to 4.6 for everyone else? I'm not a doctor but that tells me it's a very harmful disorder

I think that much of that comes from the internal issues related to having a body that doesn't conform to one's gender identity. And the massive discrimination and societal disapproval of Trans persons. I think that it might be more instructive to compare suicide rates between those Trans persons who have fully transitioned and those that haven't. But even then, you'll not be able to control for the impact of discrimination.

I don't think you or I know more than the APA or the AMA. But my views are more in line with theirs than many of the anti-Trans folks.

Stop with this mis-characterization that people who are correct are anti-trans. We care more that they get the mental help they need vs the mutilation you advocate.

(04-08-2017 01:04 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Stop with this mis-characterization that people who are correct are anti-trans. We care more that they get the mental help they need vs the mutilation you advocate.

yup....however, it's outside the boundary of complete/consise treatment due to too many variables that currently exist....

we just can't control the brain at this point in human evolution....

(04-08-2017 12:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 10:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 09:17 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 01:56 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  250,000 practicing and degreed medical professionals in the USA agree with me. Your side, claims 500, but I suspect the number is closer to 100.

So for every medical professional that agrees with you...500-2500 agree with me.

Let me clear an apparent misunderstanding up.

I don't give a flying **** how many quacks are out there mutilating perfectly healthy physical bodies because of a mental disorder.

Your post was pure bs anyway. You're just quoting membership of two groups. APA, 250,000 and one of the smaller orgs you don't like. You can fill in the name. Membership is by individuals, not sheep. They don't all agree with every stand the APA takes. You and whatever percentage of the APA prefer to be wrong are free to be wrong. Just a shame that their right to be wrong leads to unnecessary body mutilation. Should be criminal.

No matter how many hormones are given nor how extensive the mutilation, one can NOT change their sex. And all the wasted effort and expense does nothing to address the mental disorder. YOU AREN'T HELPING PEOPLE.

Again, one would think that if there was any significant agreement with your position that being Trans is a harmful medical disorder that should be responded to with aversion or other 'treatments' to try to get the person to not be (Gay/Trans), then there'd be more than 100 practicing degreed medical professionals in the "medical' associations that were set up simply to promote the concept that Transgenderism is not a real thing or is something to be controlled. One can be a member of both groups if one wants to be a member of the APA, the AMA, etc and be a member of the anti-Trans groups.

Isn't the suicide rate around 41% compared to 4.6 for everyone else? I'm not a doctor but that tells me it's a very harmful disorder

I think that much of that comes from the internal issues related to having a body that doesn't conform to one's gender identity.

MUH PEEN!

So if someone thinks they are a football player, that means that they are a football player?

If someone thinks that they are a cop, that means that they are one?


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Rachel Dolezal now claims 'race fluidity'. Says "Race is a social construct". Is no different than transgender. She IS black no matter that she was born white.

(04-08-2017 03:00 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Rachel Dolezal now claims 'race fluidity'. Says "Race is a social construct". Is no different than transgender. She IS black no matter that she was born white.

that would be filed under "culture"....

race fluidity....what a dipshite she is (or is Rachel wearing a jock strap)

they better hope god is a forgiving one when they bite the dust....as an atheist, I'd fail 'em on stupidity alone....

It's a situation that nobody, ally or enemy, truly understands. The answer to the OP is either "who knows" or "whenever that person wants to be considered trans". I know gay people who don't really feel anything special for transpeople because it's confusing as heck.

Just yesterday I saw a story of a man who doesn't consider himself a man, doesn't consider himself a woman--trans or otherwise. Not gay, straight, or bi. He considered himself "non-gender". He dates women, so to me he's a straight man, but he doesn't want to be called he or she because he's "neither". It's weird as heck.

(04-08-2017 03:57 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It's a situation that nobody, ally or enemy, truly understands. The answer to the OP is either "who knows" or "whenever that person wants to be considered trans". I know gay people who don't really feel anything special for transpeople because it's confusing as heck.

Just yesterday I saw a story of a man who doesn't consider himself a man, doesn't consider himself a woman--trans or otherwise. Not gay, straight, or bi. He considered himself "non-gender". He dates women, so to me he's a straight man, but he doesn't want to be called he or she because he's "neither". It's weird as heck.

Of course it's weird, that's because it's a mental disorder.

(04-08-2017 04:01 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 03:57 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It's a situation that nobody, ally or enemy, truly understands. The answer to the OP is either "who knows" or "whenever that person wants to be considered trans". I know gay people who don't really feel anything special for transpeople because it's confusing as heck.

Just yesterday I saw a story of a man who doesn't consider himself a man, doesn't consider himself a woman--trans or otherwise. Not gay, straight, or bi. He considered himself "non-gender". He dates women, so to me he's a straight man, but he doesn't want to be called he or she because he's "neither". It's weird as heck.

Of course it's weird, that's because it's a mental disorder.

There are several mental disorders involved. If you look at people who have gone full trans, they tend to go through the surgery and then a series of further surgeries.

They aren't the opposite gender, they are what their mind thinks the other gender is.

Tom,

Will you acknowledge that the male body has a substantial competitive advantage over the female body in track and field events?

(04-07-2017 05:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For purposes of competition, I think that a doctors note, from a licensed medical doctor (including a medical psychologist with a Medical Degree) that the person is Transgender as a permanent state of affairs should suffice.

From a practical perspective, boys are not going to claim another gender in order to 'win' unfairly.

LMAO


At what point does the rest of society finally decide to tell this insignificant minority that they don't make the rules?

(04-08-2017 05:33 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Tom,

Will you acknowledge that the male body has a substantial competitive advantage over the female body in track and field events?

If you are unable to accept and protect those that transition, then what's the point of debating the interior issues of that transition?

Not just directed at you, but at this board in general...

(04-09-2017 12:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 05:33 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Tom,

Will you acknowledge that the male body has a substantial competitive advantage over the female body in track and field events?

If you are unable to accept and protect those that transition, then what's the point of debating the interior issues of that transition?

Not just directed at you, but at this board in general...

Tom, I asked a pretty specific question..

Is it true that the male body has a substantial competitive advantage over the female body in track and field events?

I'm more than willing to discuss protection of all people, like you I am 100% consistent on it, we just land in different spots. But I'm asking a simple question....

Does a fit 14 year old biological male have a distinct and huge advantage in a sport like Track?