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RE: McMurphy: Wichita State unanimously voted into the AAC for 2017-2018 season
Great news! Should have been done when the conference was formed. Now we just need to add Dayton and VCU to become a legitimate power basketball conference.
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RE: McMurphy: Wichita State unanimously voted into the AAC for 2017-2018 season
(04-07-2017 11:47 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  OK, I have one question: what is the WSU mascot??

I know its a "Shocker", as in "shocking wheat". But what is that guy actually supposed to be?? I can see him chewing on a piece of wheat, and four pieces of wheat sticking out of his head. But ... what is the actual guy??? Is he supposed to be a piece of wheat? Is he supposed to be a corn cob?

I always thought it was a bee with a wheat hat.
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RE: McMurphy: Wichita State unanimously voted into the AAC for 2017-2018 season
so is this the end of the era for the mid major???

looking at Joe Lunardi's 1st bracketology- done with Wichita as the MVC champion......

you put them in the AAC, take out the last team in the tourney(San Diego St)- and put in an auto MVC team....

7 conferences have all but 2 at large spots. Only 2 non P7 conference teams from WCC and A10. A10's at large team is St Bonnie's- with the next to last team in the tourney. Hardly a ringing endorsement there.
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McMurphy: Wichita State unanimously voted into the AAC for 2017-2018 season
(04-07-2017 12:10 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 11:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Great move for Wichita State & the AAC. Congrats!
Looking more & more like CUSA 1.0 every day.

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Great day for the conference!
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(04-07-2017 12:14 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  I think it's obviously a shock of wheat with a face

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LOL

Works for me.


aside:
always been interesting to me that our biggest commodity crops are some of the least nutritious "foods" for humans to eat. Soy beans are plain toxic. Corn and wheat, give lots of starch ... but little else. /aside
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Realignment junkies should start at 13:58. Aresco makes it clear that the AAC won't recreate the dysfunction of the OBE.
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RE: McMurphy: Wichita State unanimously voted into the AAC for 2017-2018 season
(04-08-2017 04:20 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  



Realignment junkies should start at 13:58. Aresco makes it clear that the AAC won't recreate the dysfunction of the OBE.

In part, he says he doesn't want to add more non-football schools because it would limit their flexibility in case they ever wanted to add all-sport schools.

Then he said further expansion is not on the table right now.

Taking those together, sounds like he wants to be in a position to add some Big 12 leftovers when that conference blows up in a few years.

For example, unless the ACC, SEC or Big 10 change their minds on West Virginia, that could be a school that is available to the American should the Big 12 implode.
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RE: McMurphy: Wichita State unanimously voted into the AAC for 2017-2018 season
I still think that in the unlikely event that the B12 loses members, the remaining members will be the ones doing the inviting/restocking
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(04-08-2017 08:41 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still think that in the unlikely event that the B12 loses members, the remaining members will be the ones doing the inviting/restocking

No ones going to pay those steep 10 million $ exit fees in the AAC. Without UT and OU, the leftovers would be severely hindered by rural geography and lack of markets.
Unless they still bring the contract bowl with the SEC, there is no money to be made. There would be no contracts to take advantage of. At that point, their lifeline are the markets in the AAC.
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RE: McMurphy: Wichita State unanimously voted into the AAC for 2017-2018 season
(04-07-2017 12:10 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 11:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Great move for Wichita State & the AAC. Congrats!
Looking more & more like CUSA 1.0 every day.

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RE: McMurphy: Wichita State unanimously voted into the AAC for 2017-2018 season
(04-07-2017 12:14 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 11:47 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  OK, I have one question: what is the WSU mascot??

I know its a "Shocker", as in "shocking wheat". But what is that guy actually supposed to be?? I can see him chewing on a piece of wheat, and four pieces of wheat sticking out of his head. But ... what is the actual guy??? Is he supposed to be a piece of wheat? Is he supposed to be a corn cob?

I think it's obviously a shock of wheat with a face

[Image: gbg314.jpg]

Grains were only "shocked" or "binded" for threshing days and held for the future, where threshing required much manpower and horsepower. When wheat and other grains began to be combined, shocking and threshing weren't done but combined together into a single operaton. Hence the word "combine", because it combined massively labor intensive operations into one streamlined operation. A farmer didn't typically own a threshing machine, as threshing was often almost a community operation among neighboring farmers.

It's one reason that the rural plains have been massively depopulated, as farm labor wasn't needed as much starting in the 1940's. It might have started earlier than that, but International Harvestor and John Degree etc had to be focused on war efforts, not farm equipment.

I am certain that some Kansan's used to see a shock with a ghastly face, or a delighted face, depending on if they were the owner or laborer. Shocker is a totally awesome nickname with much historical value honoring the past and was an actual laborer.
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(04-08-2017 09:08 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(04-08-2017 08:41 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still think that in the unlikely event that the B12 loses members, the remaining members will be the ones doing the inviting/restocking

No ones going to pay those steep 10 million $ exit fees in the AAC. Without UT and OU, the leftovers would be severely hindered by rural geography and lack of markets.
Unless they still bring the contract bowl with the SEC, there is no money to be made. There would be no contracts to take advantage of. At that point, their lifeline are the markets in the AAC.

The Big 12 brand is stronger, more valuable, more prestigious and more well-known than the American. Even if Texas/Oklahoma were to leave, hypothetically, the programs of West Virginia, Kansas, TCU, Texas Tech, OK State, Baylor, Kansas State and Iowa State would just back-fill with AAC schools. It's the same reasons why Memphis, UCF, Tulane, East Carolina, Tulsa, Houston and SMU all jumped from Conference USA to the Big East (and only with UConn, Cincinnati and USF). They would easily get more money and more prestige being under the Big 12 banner.

Make no mistake: the American is still the old Big East Football conference. It is the on-deck circle to the P5 home plate. When you can the call, you take it.
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(04-08-2017 08:41 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still think that in the unlikely event that the B12 loses members, the remaining members will be the ones doing the inviting/restocking

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(04-08-2017 08:41 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still think that in the unlikely event that the B12 loses members, the remaining members will be the ones doing the inviting/restocking

It depends. If they lose 2 or 3 schools, sure. The Big 12 restocks.

If they lose 7 or 8 schools, then the American and MWC probably absorb the leftovers.

Here's the thing. Texas can't leave without either taking Texas Tech, or making sure Texas Tech has a P4 landing spot. Same with Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. Same with Kansas and Kansas St.

So if Texas, OU and Kansas leave, then those other three are leaving too.

Potentially, here's a 16 team American Conference:

West
TCU
Baylor
Iowa St
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane
Navy/Wichita St

East
West Virginia
Cincy
Memphis
UConn
Temple
East Carolina
UCF
USF
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RE: McMurphy: Wichita State unanimously voted into the AAC for 2017-2018 season
(04-07-2017 12:14 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  I think it's obviously a shock of wheat with a face

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So . . . the Missouri Valley is now gluten-free?
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(04-08-2017 09:22 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(04-08-2017 09:08 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(04-08-2017 08:41 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still think that in the unlikely event that the B12 loses members, the remaining members will be the ones doing the inviting/restocking

No ones going to pay those steep 10 million $ exit fees in the AAC. Without UT and OU, the leftovers would be severely hindered by rural geography and lack of markets.
Unless they still bring the contract bowl with the SEC, there is no money to be made. There would be no contracts to take advantage of. At that point, their lifeline are the markets in the AAC.

The Big 12 brand is stronger, more valuable, more prestigious and more well-known than the American. Even if Texas/Oklahoma were to leave, hypothetically, the programs of West Virginia, Kansas, TCU, Texas Tech, OK State, Baylor, Kansas State and Iowa State would just back-fill with AAC schools. It's the same reasons why Memphis, UCF, Tulane, East Carolina, Tulsa, Houston and SMU all jumped from Conference USA to the Big East (and only with UConn, Cincinnati and USF). They would easily get more money and more prestige being under the Big 12 banner.

Make no mistake: the American is still the old Big East Football conference. It is the on-deck circle to the P5 home plate. When you can the call, you take it.

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(04-08-2017 09:22 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The Texas/OU brands are stronger, more valuable..

FIFY.

Ultimately, it comes down to $$$. It will go how ESPN wants it to go. Those schools who left for the Big East never had to pay 10 million. The Big East also had Notre Dame, Louisville, etc, as part of the lure. There were more than 10 teams (between FB & BB) still, and the promise of top notch basketball.

You're confusing the teams that originally accepted bids. There were 3 waves in that expansion, each subsequent wave nothing more than a life vest from a destroyed conference.

If it ever came down to this scenario, it's a stretch to say a program is going to pay 10 million to join 5-6 schools in remote locales who have no media deals.

Logistically, there would need to be a network behind the scenes, pouring a lot of money into it. It's not as simple as just inviting 3 mid majors like Creighton, Butler, and Xavier, who could easily just get to steppin.
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RE: McMurphy: Wichita State unanimously voted into the AAC for 2017-2018 season
(04-08-2017 09:56 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(04-08-2017 09:22 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The Texas/OU brands are stronger, more valuable..

FIFY.

Ultimately, it comes down to $$$. It will go how ESPN wants it to go. Those schools who left for the Big East never had to pay 10 million. The Big East also had Notre Dame, Louisville, etc, as part of the lure. There were more than 10 teams (between FB & BB) still, and the promise of top notch basketball.

You're confusing the teams that originally accepted bids. There were 3 waves in that expansion, each subsequent wave nothing more than a life vest from a destroyed conference.

If it ever came down to this scenario, it's a stretch to say a program is going to pay 10 million to join 5-6 schools in remote locales who have no media deals.

Logistically, there would need to be a network behind the scenes, pouring a lot of money into it. It's not as simple as just inviting 3 mid majors like Creighton, Butler, and Xavier, who could easily just get to steppin.

It is all about money. The Conference USA call-ups were, regardless of Louisville/ND/etc., going to make more money in a football version of the Big East, rather than C-USA. The new amounts, old amounts, and exit fees are all proportional. ESPN, if needed to choose, would absolutely decide to keep the Big 12 over the American, because it has more history, a strong reputation and more valuable brand.

Under the current contracts, a Houston/SMU/Cincinnati/UConn would absolutely pay $10 million in order to receive the $35-40 million each Big 12 school will eventually be receiving towards the end of the current TV deal. No school would turn that down.

Butler, Creighton and Xavier (and might as well now toss in Wichita State too) all easily made the jump because the money, exposure and opportunity were all there - much like any potential invitation of an AAC school by the Big 12.

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