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RE: Big West Rejects UC San Diego
So, does UCSD have any other Division 1 options? WAC? Would Big Sky take UCSD and UC-Davis Olympic sports? Olympic sports travel partner with SDSU in the MWC?

Would the other UC's in the Big West realign to a new conference with UCSD and perhaps Hawaii?
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(04-17-2017 12:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It does a terrible job of serving the state's residents.

For example: if you took California's system and applied it to a state the size of Ohio, it'd be about the same size and quality as Ohio's system would be if you shut down Cincinnati, Miami, and Ohio U. This is despite California spending 70% more per state resident.

CSU is the system to serve the state's residents. End of story.

UC is a global leader in the research of fundamental science and development of breakthrough technology, cures, and ideas. It doesn't just target the best in brightest in California, which again is correct.
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RE: Big West Rejects UC San Diego
(04-17-2017 01:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-17-2017 12:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It does a terrible job of serving the state's residents.

For example: if you took California's system and applied it to a state the size of Ohio, it'd be about the same size and quality as Ohio's system would be if you shut down Cincinnati, Miami, and Ohio U. This is despite California spending 70% more per state resident.

CSU is the system to serve the state's residents. End of story.

UC is a global leader in the research of fundamental science and development of breakthrough technology, cures, and ideas. It doesn't just target the best in brightest in California, which again is correct.

Then why does the UC system receive such massive state funding?

Even if I accept your idea, I would still argue that the UC system does a poor job. The UC system actually educates fewer doctoral students per capita than the state flagships of most other states. I just looked it up and California's public schools produce about 7,000 doctoral graduates per year (6,967 in 2015). Per-capita, this ranks 45th in the USA.

Also, if you're saying that the CSU system is the state's only higher ed system designed to educate California's citizens, then it is failing miserably. It's nowhere near big enough, and 2/3 of its schools are simply not very good educational institutions.
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(04-17-2017 01:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Then why does the UC system receive such massive state funding?

It's one of the primary drivers of the state's economy and attracting global talent to the state. They'd be insane not to massively invest in it.

(04-17-2017 01:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  The UC system actually educates fewer doctoral students per capita than the state flagships of most other states.

Dollar and impact of the work is more important than the number of PhD graduates granted.

(04-17-2017 01:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It's nowhere near big enough, and 2/3 of its schools are simply not very good educational institutions.

Not sure I buy that. Why do you think those things?
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(04-17-2017 01:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I just looked it up and California's public schools produce about 7,000 doctoral graduates per year (6,967 in 2015). Per-capita, this ranks 45th in the USA.

Why does per capita matter?

Quality, not quantity.
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RE: Big West Rejects UC San Diego
Mark Zeigler reports that UCSD only received four or five votes and the Cal States appeared to have all voted no as a bloc.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spor...story.html

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The Big West is currently stable, and there are some who believe UCSD — despite all its academic prowess — doesn’t offer enough commercial “opportunity” given its low profile in the San Diego market.

The Big West might be holding out for the school that does, San Diego State, if it ever finds a football-only conference that offers more financial return than the Mountain West. That would push the Aztecs’ other sports to the Big West, which was the plan before SDSU’s 2013 move to the Big East in football collapsed.

Others talk about shedding the reputation of being the conference where Div. IIs become Div. I.


And a lesson UCSD won't forget.

The approach of gaining student and faculty support, then submitting an application to the Big West, then saying “Here we are, let us in,” clearly didn’t work.
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So what's it going to take for the BW to change their minds on UC San Diego? I see the answer as 12 with either Grand Canyon and NMSU, or a Bakersfield/Sac State and Portland State or NAU.
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UCSD should go to the WAC and do their best to dominate it. Hopefully a UCSD/CSUB combo is the solution. SDSU going to the BW and playing football elsewhere is blind misguided fantasy now. Fisher is gone, so i doubt bball will be the same.

I wonder if there hope is that SDSU and the stadium issue becomes a problem where they have to drop fb. I also highly doubt SDSU would do that.
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What's it going to take? If the Cal State schools are a solid no bloc against UCSD, then the answer is, they're never getting in. It's right there in the article:

Quote:The Tritons got four votes from their UC brethren. Hawaii may or may not have joined them. The four CSUs appear to have voted no as a bloc.

Zeigler also suggests that my guess about SDSU telling them, "Don't invite UCSD if you ever want a chance of getting SDSU" might be a correct guess.
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RE: Big West Rejects UC San Diego
If it's true that the voting came down to UC vs CSU voting blocks, with Hawaii as an unknown, does that mean that this wasn't really based on something like market analysis and tournament credit splitting? If it's really about the CSUs wanting something, what is it that they want? And does UCSD have the pull to give it to them? For all the talk about the UC/CSU divide, is UCSD's Div 1 membership really the issue that's going to move mountains?
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