The total closed dorm count is now nearing double digits.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educa...ad81e.html


Now let's try to keep this away from the political, even though we know that's a huge factor in why this is happening (haha you suck Melissa Click).


How bad can this get before the SEC gets nervous? Mizzou already sticks out badly from a geographical standpoint in the SEC. And all they've really done so far is win a very down SEC East a few times to be offered up as the sacrificial lamb for Alabama in the Georgia Dome.

MU still has 32,000 students and is 5th in the SEC. I think they are fine overall.

Missouri State has been the one who has benefited from Mizzou's standing. Enrollment is up in Springfield.

(04-06-2017 04:45 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The total closed dorm count is now nearing double digits.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educa...ad81e.html


Now let's try to keep this away from the political, even though we know that's a huge factor in why this is happening (haha you suck Melissa Click).


How bad can this get before the SEC gets nervous? Mizzou already sticks out badly from a geographical standpoint in the SEC. And all they've really done so far is win a very down SEC East a few times to be offered up as the sacrificial lamb for Alabama in the Georgia Dome.

Its incompetence not politics. Both conservatives and liberals have been scared away.

As long as they keep having decent attendance, the SEC isn't going to worry. Now they may start having financial issues. That will cause concern.

Missouri has the advantage in being a sole flagship, both Liberal arts flagship and land grant.

Missouri State may gain and may even get bigger, but its still not going to pull huge numbers of students away. Nor will Truman State.

(04-06-2017 04:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Missouri has the advantage in being a sole flagship, both Liberal arts flagship and land grant.

Missouri State may gain and may even get bigger, but its still not going to pull huge numbers of students away. Nor will Truman State.

They did pull away a lot of students who would have been going to Mizzou with the recent incidents. It's pretty much a well known fact in the state.

I doubt it's an issue for the SEC to be concerned about now, but in the long term there is going to be declining enrollment all over because there are fewer 18-22 year old students "coming through the pipeline". Inevitably some large schools (particularly in less-populated states) will try to keep enrollment levels high (and keep up their percentage of students with top grades and test scores) by attracting more students from nearby states with generous financial aid offers. Seems like an obvious tactic for Mizzou to pursue now.

If we're going to assume that the 10,000 or so fewer students at Mizzou is a direct result of the Black Lives Matter protests, don't we then, by definition, have to infer that the 32,000 or so students that do attend Mizzou are at least tacitly - or perhaps even actively - supportive of the movement?

Personally, I don't believe either one of those assertions is true and are instead the byproduct of hard core spin on both sides of the political fence.

Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same coin. They just don't recognize it.

(04-06-2017 05:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  If we're going to assume that the 10,000 or so fewer students at Mizzou is a direct result of the Black Lives Matter protests, don't we then, by definition, have to infer that the 32,000 or so students that do attend Mizzou are at least tacitly - or perhaps even actively - supportive of the movement?

Personally, I don't believe either one of those assertions is true and are instead the byproduct of hard core spin on both sides of the political fence.

Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same coin. They just don't recognize it.

It ain't conservatives and liberals anymore, the right and the left are two of the same coin though.

(04-06-2017 04:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  As long as they keep having decent attendance, the SEC isn't going to worry. Now they may start having financial issues.

If you are closing 7 dorms, laying off staff, and have a 24% drop in enrollment, you already have financial issues. Big ones.

(04-06-2017 05:45 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 04:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  As long as they keep having decent attendance, the SEC isn't going to worry. Now they may start having financial issues.

If you are closing 7 dorms, laying off staff, and have a 24% drop in enrollment, you already have financial issues. Big ones.

There's probably another factor in the dorm closing...

I live in Morgantown (WV) and WVU is closing down a dorm next year as well, but enrollment is up. The dorm being closed down was built in the 70's, so not super old, but...

1) The University has gone into several "private-public" partnerships which has built several large, off-campus, student apartment complexes. These are owned by the University but managed by a private leasing company. So, in closing down a large dorm, the University shifts the costs and liabilities of housing students to a private leasing company.

2) The incoming students DO NOT WANT to live in dorms. You should see the recruitment tactics of some of these places: granite counter-tops, en-suite plasma TV's, work-out rooms, kitchens and private bathrooms, etc... That's what students are looking for. The days of mass amounts of students ware-housed in a bland, semi-private dorm rooms with a communal bathroom per a floor are dying. Students are demanding private rooms with amenities...and their parents are paying for them.

When I was in college, eating mac-n-cheese and ramen noodles prepared on an illicit hot-plate was part of the experience. Not any more.

(04-06-2017 05:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  If we're going to assume that the 10,000 or so fewer students at Mizzou is a direct result of the Black Lives Matter protests, don't we then, by definition, have to infer that the 32,000 or so students that do attend Mizzou are at least tacitly - or perhaps even actively - supportive of the movement?

Personally, I don't believe either one of those assertions is true and are instead the byproduct of hard core spin on both sides of the political fence.

Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same coin. They just don't recognize it.

I don't think that indifference = approval.

I'm going to use dummy numbers, but I think that 15,000 aren't going because of the protest, an extra 5,000 are going because of the protest, and the rest probably don't care enough about it one way or another. Those numbers are made up (maybe it's 11k and 1k, 17k and 7k, etc), but I think that's the general math to get to the net loss of 10,000.

(04-06-2017 05:58 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 05:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  If we're going to assume that the 10,000 or so fewer students at Mizzou is a direct result of the Black Lives Matter protests, don't we then, by definition, have to infer that the 32,000 or so students that do attend Mizzou are at least tacitly - or perhaps even actively - supportive of the movement?

Personally, I don't believe either one of those assertions is true and are instead the byproduct of hard core spin on both sides of the political fence.

Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same coin. They just don't recognize it.

I don't think that indifference = approval.

I'm going to use dummy numbers, but I think that 15,000 aren't going because of the protest, an extra 5,000 are going because of the protest, and the rest probably don't care enough about it one way or another. Those numbers are made up (maybe it's 11k and 1k, 17k and 7k, etc), but I think that's the general math to get to the net loss of 10,000.

You're missing the point. Of course they are made up numbers. Both sides just pull numbers straight out of their respective asses left and right and their supporters buy them hook, line and sinker because that's what they want to believe to be true.

They are both FOS.

There's no way in hell that I believe that some protests that happened at Missouri a year or two ago – I don't even remember when – is meaningfully impacting whether or not people choose to attend school there.

I just think it's complete nonsense on every level and neither side is above it. They both just make up stuff – including controversies – left and right to try to snooker the rest of us into believing in the same black and white fantasy world in which they choose to live.

This reminds me a lot of when the Dude of West Virginia was projecting the demise of the ACC every single day and all kinds of bizarre conspiracy theories.

The problem was that his numbers didn't add up and his scenarios made no sense.

However, people kept pushing them anyway and treating it like real news because they wanted it to be true. It's classic confirmation bias and its almost always complete nonsense.

Let's take this to its logical conclusion. Does anyone honestly believe that the University of Missouri is going to go belly up over those protests?

Of course not.

I don't have an opinion on the protests. I'm not taking anyone's side there. I think both sides behaved like idiots at various points in that entire affair – as always happens in highly politicized incidents.

However, the University of Missouri is going to be just fine and the kooks on both sides of the divide will soon find something else to argue over and they will forget all about Mizzou.

College and university enrollment in the US peaked in 2010 and has declined ever since. No idea how Missouri's decline compares to other schools. I do know that many schools have heavily recruited foreign students to make up the difference, but that seems to be dropping off as well due to more restrictive visa requirements.

(04-06-2017 06:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 05:58 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 05:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  If we're going to assume that the 10,000 or so fewer students at Mizzou is a direct result of the Black Lives Matter protests, don't we then, by definition, have to infer that the 32,000 or so students that do attend Mizzou are at least tacitly - or perhaps even actively - supportive of the movement?

Personally, I don't believe either one of those assertions is true and are instead the byproduct of hard core spin on both sides of the political fence.

Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same coin. They just don't recognize it.

I don't think that indifference = approval.

I'm going to use dummy numbers, but I think that 15,000 aren't going because of the protest, an extra 5,000 are going because of the protest, and the rest probably don't care enough about it one way or another. Those numbers are made up (maybe it's 11k and 1k, 17k and 7k, etc), but I think that's the general math to get to the net loss of 10,000.

You're missing the point. Of course they are made up numbers. Both sides just pull numbers straight out of their respective asses left and right and their supporters buy them hook, line and sinker because that's what they want to believe to be true.

They are both FOS.

There's no way in hell that I believe that some protests that happened at Missouri a year or two ago – I don't even remember when – is meaningfully impacting whether or not people choose to attend school there.

I just think it's complete nonsense on every level and neither side is above it. They both just make up stuff – including controversies – left and right to try to snooker the rest of us into believing in the same black and white fantasy world in which they choose to live.

This reminds me a lot of when the Dude of West Virginia was projecting the demise of the ACC every single day and all kinds of bizarre conspiracy theories.

The problem was that his numbers didn't add up and his scenarios made no sense.

However, people kept pushing them anyway and treating it like real news because they wanted it to be true. It's classic confirmation bias and its almost always complete nonsense.

Let's take this to its logical conclusion. Does anyone honestly believe that the University of Missouri is going to go belly up over those protests?

Of course not.

I don't have an opinion on the protests. I'm not taking anyone's side there. I think both sides behaved like idiots at various points in that entire affair – as always happens in highly politicized incidents.

However, the University of Missouri is going to be just fine and the kooks on both sides of the divide will soon find something else to argue over and they will forget all about Mizzou.

To clarify, I think that there was and is a material impact on MIZZOU's enrollment - both positive and negative. However, I think that the protests resulted in a net negative impact. I just don't know the exact numbers.

Are both sides blowing this out of proportion? Probably. Will MIZZOU be fine? Yes. Was there a loss? I think so.

(04-06-2017 04:45 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The total closed dorm count is now nearing double digits.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educa...ad81e.html


Now let's try to keep this away from the political, even though we know that's a huge factor in why this is happening (haha you suck Melissa Click).


How bad can this get before the SEC gets nervous? Mizzou already sticks out badly from a geographical standpoint in the SEC. And all they've really done so far is win a very down SEC East a few times to be offered up as the sacrificial lamb for Alabama in the Georgia Dome.

They were SEC East champs twice. Auburn beat them in 2010 and Alabama in 2011. And, the SEC isn't worried.

(04-06-2017 06:32 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  College and university enrollment in the US peaked in 2010 and has declined ever since. No idea how Missouri's decline compares to other schools. I do know that many schools have heavily recruited foreign students to make up the difference, but that seems to be dropping off as well due to more restrictive visa requirements.

This and the cutting of the State's funding of the school are the crux of the decline. But don't get too much schadenfreude out of this because it's coming soon to a school near you. Reduced state funding and dropping enrollment is exactly what I told you 4 years ago was coming. It's simply the natural decline of Boomers and Boomer offspring coupled with the demise of the disposable income of the middle class with a side dish of too many underfunded state programs resulting from "special tax deals" given to corporations to locate their big box stores and / or plants inside your state. Shrink the sales tax revenue with special deals, lower the disposable income, reduce the population, and refuse for decades to make the adjustments in the state budget and voila!

BTW: If you want to bewail a collapse just look at Georgia Tech. Their athletic department revenue fell below the lowest of the P5 this year. They joined conference mate Wake Forest as the only two existing P5 schools below 65th position.

Add to that fact the scary little detail that the state of Georgia is cutting back too and oops! Missouri by comparison is still well above the P5's Mendoza line.

This problem definitely extends beyond Mizzou. People have been priced out of attending college.

(04-06-2017 06:32 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  College and university enrollment in the US peaked in 2010 and has declined ever since. No idea how Missouri's decline compares to other schools. I do know that many schools have heavily recruited foreign students to make up the difference, but that seems to be dropping off as well due to more restrictive visa requirements.

It peaked because that was peak of the Millineal baby boom of the 80s were in school.

they have some odd names for dorms

(04-06-2017 05:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  If we're going to assume that the 10,000 or so fewer students at Mizzou is a direct result of the Black Lives Matter protests, don't we then, by definition, have to infer that the 32,000 or so students that do attend Mizzou are at least tacitly - or perhaps even actively - supportive of the movement?

Personally, I don't believe either one of those assertions is true and are instead the byproduct of hard core spin on both sides of the political fence.

Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same coin. They just don't recognize it.

No. Blacks and people supportive of BLM may be scared away because of the claims of racism. So they lose on both ends.