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(04-07-2017 01:17 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Can they take the red legs with them?

I'm not a baseball fan, but I'd be much more upset if the Reds left. Much more history there and I'm much prouder of the Reds than the Bengals. $0.02.
 
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That's your hope--evict all major league sports from the city and watch the economic domino effect--let's turn Cincinnati into Dayton.

Brilliant plan.
 
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(04-07-2017 02:20 PM)AeroCat Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 01:17 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Can they take the red legs with them?

I'm not a baseball fan, but I'd be much more upset if the Reds left. Much more history there and I'm much prouder of the Reds than the Bengals. $0.02.

Agreed. I'm not sure that there's any economic benefit from having pro sports, but if there is, it is surely much greater for MLB than NFL, plus the Reds are woven into the fabric of Cincinnati's culture and history in a way that the Bengals aren't.
 
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(04-07-2017 03:54 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 02:20 PM)AeroCat Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 01:17 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Can they take the red legs with them?

I'm not a baseball fan, but I'd be much more upset if the Reds left. Much more history there and I'm much prouder of the Reds than the Bengals. $0.02.

Agreed. I'm not sure that there's any economic benefit from having pro sports, but if there is, it is surely much greater for MLB than NFL, plus the Reds are woven into the fabric of Cincinnati's culture and history in a way that the Bengals aren't.

The Brown family certainly reaps an economic benefit.
 
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(04-07-2017 02:20 PM)AeroCat Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 01:17 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Can they take the red legs with them?

I'm not a baseball fan, but I'd be much more upset if the Reds left. Much more history there and I'm much prouder of the Reds than the Bengals. $0.02.


I guess in a subtle, nuanced sort of way, that makes sense. Baseball isn't really an event sport as much as football or basketball, but it does have a good deal of prestige and history to it.
 
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Losing the Reds would be much worse. They usually bring in 2 million fans a year over 82 separate dates to downtown. The Bengals only bring in 420k over 8 dates (if you don't count preseason).
 
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(04-07-2017 11:37 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yeah, I walked from my tickets years ago. Have not missed it. I love having my Sunday's feee now. It's like a three day weekend every week in the fall now.

Went to a game last year in the seats we buy for the company and the experience is dreadful. A commercial break every other play and it's drunk white trash fest.

Yes, very boorish. NFL is a better game, but CFB is a much better experience.

Damn, a lot of college snobbery going on around here. Alright, we get it, pro sports do not have the character that college does. It doesn't stop the fact the NFL is highly entertaining and features amazing athletes. I'd be kidding myself if I said watching us play Tulane in front of 25-30k is more entertaining thank watching AJ Green and Tyler vs the Steelers.
 
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(04-07-2017 10:27 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 02:18 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 11:37 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yeah, I walked from my tickets years ago. Have not missed it. I love having my Sunday's feee now. It's like a three day weekend every week in the fall now.

Went to a game last year in the seats we buy for the company and the experience is dreadful. A commercial break every other play and it's drunk white trash fest.

Yes, very boorish. NFL is a better game, but CFB is a much better experience.

Damn, a lot of college snobbery going on around here. Alright, we get it, pro sports do not have the character that college does. It doesn't stop the fact the NFL is highly entertaining and features amazing athletes. I'd be kidding myself if I said watching us play Tulane in front of 25-30k is more entertaining thank watching AJ Green and Tyler vs the Steelers.

I'd wager that the best CFB team in the country couldn't beat the worst NFL team on a year to year basis. People pay to see on-field performance at it's peak...that's why the NFL is still the revenue sport champ by a large margin.

I really don't get why so many on this board denigrate pro sports yet support DI revenue sports...don't they understand that the vast majority of athletic scholarship recipients intend to play the pro game? That's why they use college sports as a training ground.

If this bunch is so hung up on "integrity" and "class" they should push for the elimination of athletic scholarships and promote the conversion of UC into an Ivy League school.

'nuff said.
 
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(04-08-2017 06:13 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 10:27 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 02:18 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(04-07-2017 11:37 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yeah, I walked from my tickets years ago. Have not missed it. I love having my Sunday's feee now. It's like a three day weekend every week in the fall now.

Went to a game last year in the seats we buy for the company and the experience is dreadful. A commercial break every other play and it's drunk white trash fest.

Yes, very boorish. NFL is a better game, but CFB is a much better experience.

Damn, a lot of college snobbery going on around here. Alright, we get it, pro sports do not have the character that college does. It doesn't stop the fact the NFL is highly entertaining and features amazing athletes. I'd be kidding myself if I said watching us play Tulane in front of 25-30k is more entertaining thank watching AJ Green and Tyler vs the Steelers.

I'd wager that the best CFB team in the country couldn't beat the worst NFL team on a year to year basis. People pay to see on-field performance at it's peak...that's why the NFL is still the revenue sport champ by a large margin.

I really don't get why so many on this board denigrate pro sports yet support DI revenue sports...don't they understand that the vast majority of athletic scholarship recipients intend to play the pro game? That's why they use college sports as a training ground.

If this bunch is so hung up on "integrity" and "class" they should push for the elimination of athletic scholarships and promote the conversion of UC into an Ivy League school.

'nuff said.

I don't know about that. Many here seem to cheer every time a certain minor league professional soccer team gets the school to do a bend over to accommodate them.05-stirthepot
 
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The biggest issue is the that NFL and the Cincinnati Bengals come off as self centered, tone deaf, and disengaged from the local community. I want the Bengals to win the Super Bowl but I don't have the passion for them as I do the Bearcats or Reds. Both the University of Cincinnati and the Cincinnati Reds are part of this community's history in way the the Bengals and NFL are not. A combination of longevity through generations, championships, and hall of fame players are some of the things that the UC Bearcats and the Cincinnati Reds have that the Bengals do not.

There is also the subtle things as well from the logos and colors of the team. The Cincinnati Reds and the University of Cincinnati share a similar color scheme that emphasizes the letter "C" and Cincinnati. The Cincinnati Bengals have a color scheme that looks like a halloween costume and a logo that represents the "B" as in the Brown family or Bengals? The Bengals could move to a different city and nothing about their uniform or logo would have to change. I believe the Bearcats baseball team years ago used hand me downs from the reds. Even a half century ago the UC baseball team used a version of the wishbone "C" on their caps, the football coaches did too.

I want to take my wife and son to a UC football game, a UC basketball game, or a Reds game. Those events are more family friendly than the drunk fest that is NFL football.
 
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Now that my Bengals tailgating days that were made of all day drinking and bar food until about 8 pm or so are behind me I really wouldn't care if the Bengals left. Most of the apathy is from how little the ownership seems to care about winning though. I'm done spending time and money on losers. Being 31 and being emotionally invested for many years and never having gotten to witness any kind of championship I think I've earned the right to be a fair weather fan at this point. When/If the Bengals and Reds start to win again I'll watch, until then I'm checked out.

I'll add this, I absolutely cannot stand listening to Thom Brennamen. If he got replaced with Dan Hoard I really would tune in much more.
 
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(04-08-2017 10:10 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  The biggest issue is the that NFL and the Cincinnati Bengals come off as self centered, tone deaf, and disengaged from the local community. I want the Bengals to win the Super Bowl but I don't have the passion for them as I do the Bearcats or Reds. Both the University of Cincinnati and the Cincinnati Reds are part of this community's history in way the the Bengals and NFL are not. A combination of longevity through generations, championships, and hall of fame players are some of the things that the UC Bearcats and the Cincinnati Reds have that the Bengals do not.

There is also the subtle things as well from the logos and colors of the team. The Cincinnati Reds and the University of Cincinnati share a similar color scheme that emphasizes the letter "C" and Cincinnati. The Cincinnati Bengals have a color scheme that looks like a halloween costume and a logo that represents the "B" as in the Brown family or Bengals? The Bengals could move to a different city and nothing about their uniform or logo would have to change. I believe the Bearcats baseball team years ago used hand me downs from the reds. Even a half century ago the UC baseball team used a version of the wishbone "C" on their caps, the football coaches did too.

I want to take my wife and son to a UC football game, a UC basketball game, or a Reds game. Those events are more family friendly than the drunk fest that is NFL football.

You are completely off base here--do you have the foggiest clue why the Bengals adopted the name and the color scheme they have?

Check the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati...ti_Bengals

"The franchise takes its name from an earlier Cincinnati Bengals team, which played from 1937–1941. It also was a nod to Paul Brown's Massillon, Ohio, roots where he coached the high school team known as the Tigers.

In 1967, an ownership group led by Paul Brown was granted a franchise in the American Football League. Brown named the team the Bengals in order "to give it a link with past professional football in Cincinnati."[8] Another Bengals team had existed in the city and played in three previous American Football Leagues[9] from 1937 to 1942. The city's world-renowned zoo was also home to a rare white Bengal tiger. However, possibly as an insult to Art Modell, or possibly as a homage to his own start as a head coach to the Massillon Tigers, Brown chose the exact shade of orange used by his former team. He added black as the secondary color. Brown chose a very simple logo: the word "BENGALS" in black lettering. One of the potential helmet designs Brown rejected was a striped motif that was similar to the helmets adopted by the team in 1981 and which is still in use to this day; however, that design featured yellow stripes on a turquoise helmet which were more uniform in width."

As for the Bengals not being "connected to the community"...I beg to differ:

http://www.bengals.com/community/overview.html

I think your jaundiced view of Mike Brown has colored your take on the franchise, which means much more to the community than any personal animus you might have towards one man.
 
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The overarching thing here is that under the lease, the county is required to make improvements to the stadium to keep up with the NFL Joneses, such as when the scoreboards were all replaced recently, etc... When the lease eventually runs out this will still be a relatively state of the art facility for pro football, unlike the dumps in Oakland and San Diego which were no longer up to standards. Hell by the time the lease does run out, Mike Brown will probably be dead or in a nursing home. Isn't he already well into his 80's?
 
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I've been following this thread, but haven't seen anyone mention when exactly the Bengals contract ends. Looks like it runs until 2027 according to this article from 2000.

We have 10 years max until things really go down. Will the county be willing to fork over another billion dollars for 27 more years of thuggery and mediocrity? Or will the Bengals be given a hint before then, and find another home before the contract is up? And, if Mike Brown is no longer a factor, what conditions will the new regime demand? Lots of questions. It's an interesting situation.

I'm not worried about the city though. If they leave, we still have the Bearcats, Reds, Cyclones, and (probably MLS) FCC to rally behind. Don't forget about the insane HS football scene either. And though they aren't worthy of the name "Cincinnati," Xavier exists as well. All those options are more than enough for our market. 04-cheers
 
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(04-08-2017 10:53 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-08-2017 10:10 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  The biggest issue is the that NFL and the Cincinnati Bengals come off as self centered, tone deaf, and disengaged from the local community. I want the Bengals to win the Super Bowl but I don't have the passion for them as I do the Bearcats or Reds. Both the University of Cincinnati and the Cincinnati Reds are part of this community's history in way the the Bengals and NFL are not. A combination of longevity through generations, championships, and hall of fame players are some of the things that the UC Bearcats and the Cincinnati Reds have that the Bengals do not.

There is also the subtle things as well from the logos and colors of the team. The Cincinnati Reds and the University of Cincinnati share a similar color scheme that emphasizes the letter "C" and Cincinnati. The Cincinnati Bengals have a color scheme that looks like a halloween costume and a logo that represents the "B" as in the Brown family or Bengals? The Bengals could move to a different city and nothing about their uniform or logo would have to change. I believe the Bearcats baseball team years ago used hand me downs from the reds. Even a half century ago the UC baseball team used a version of the wishbone "C" on their caps, the football coaches did too.

I want to take my wife and son to a UC football game, a UC basketball game, or a Reds game. Those events are more family friendly than the drunk fest that is NFL football.

You are completely off base here--do you have the foggiest clue why the Bengals adopted the name and the color scheme they have?

Check the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati...ti_Bengals

"The franchise takes its name from an earlier Cincinnati Bengals team, which played from 1937–1941. It also was a nod to Paul Brown's Massillon, Ohio, roots where he coached the high school team known as the Tigers.

In 1967, an ownership group led by Paul Brown was granted a franchise in the American Football League. Brown named the team the Bengals in order "to give it a link with past professional football in Cincinnati."[8] Another Bengals team had existed in the city and played in three previous American Football Leagues[9] from 1937 to 1942. The city's world-renowned zoo was also home to a rare white Bengal tiger. However, possibly as an insult to Art Modell, or possibly as a homage to his own start as a head coach to the Massillon Tigers, Brown chose the exact shade of orange used by his former team. He added black as the secondary color. Brown chose a very simple logo: the word "BENGALS" in black lettering. One of the potential helmet designs Brown rejected was a striped motif that was similar to the helmets adopted by the team in 1981 and which is still in use to this day; however, that design featured yellow stripes on a turquoise helmet which were more uniform in width."

As for the Bengals not being "connected to the community"...I beg to differ:

http://www.bengals.com/community/overview.html

I think your jaundiced view of Mike Brown has colored your take on the franchise, which means much more to the community than any personal animus you might have towards one man.

Good stuff in this thread NotD. Not much to add.
 
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So a little divergent, but there are certain reasons I watch "College Football" and have completely abandoned the pro game. (Some of these reasons carry over to professional baseball as well, though I still love the sport of baseball and still attend games...but nowhere near the amount I used to.)

First, I love the pageantry and tradition around the College game. The band. The cheerleaders. The cheers. The uniqueness of the stadiums. All of that "stuff" you get in the College experience. The pro game either never had this stuff or lost it. The stadiums are mostly interchangeable and way too big. All the teams play the same, boring music...and way too loud. (This also happens on the college level and it bugs the hell out of me. Though, UC, in my experience does less of it than others...thank God!) Where there are rivalries, it is between fan bases; the players are professionals who may not even be there the next year so they don't often care about "the hated rival."

Second, I love the "Carry-over" of teams from season to season. Yes, the college game has changed somewhat in that you can see players "leave early," but you can still watch a kid from recruiting "commit" and progress through "red shirt" to starter. The names get etched into your brain because these kids are something of an investment...and the good ones will "always be a Bearcat." The pros, on the other hand, are mostly mercenary...and the game really doesn't make a lot of bones about it. They don't necessarily play in Cincinnati "because they love the city," but because they got the best deal to play here and when a better deal comes along, they'll gladly play in Kansas City or Miami just as much as in Cincy. And God forbid you get a d'bag QB who "retires" just to get out of his contract...
(And yeah, you're seeing this more in College BB with the "one and dones." And we did have a whole series of players under Minter who were every bit as mercenary as some of the pros... But I hate that.)

Finally, I think some of these kids just play harder while they're in college. (Minor league baseball has this as well.) When these kids are scrapping, trying to catch someone's attention, they just tend to work harder. When they have signed the big $$$ contract, all too often the tendency is to just coast along. Mixing metaphors here, but it's like Corbin Bernsen's character "Roger Dorn" in the movie "Major League." Give me a group of kids scrapping to make their name any day.

When I lived closer to Cincinnati, I was aware of the Bengals but I never would have paid for a ticket to go see them. The one time I was in PBS it was to watch the Bearcats play OSU...and I thought it was a pretty nice stadium. If the Brown family wants to abandon PBS, they'd have a tough case in my mind because I think it's a stadium that can easily be remodeled to keep it among the nicer places to watch a game. But again, this is part-and-parcel of why I like the College experience over the pro game: give me Nippert any day of the week over even PBS. Part of why I fell in love with the Bearcats was the gem that is Nippert...and that's why I get so bothered over some of the modifications to it.
 
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(04-08-2017 10:53 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-08-2017 10:10 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  The biggest issue is the that NFL and the Cincinnati Bengals come off as self centered, tone deaf, and disengaged from the local community. I want the Bengals to win the Super Bowl but I don't have the passion for them as I do the Bearcats or Reds. Both the University of Cincinnati and the Cincinnati Reds are part of this community's history in way the the Bengals and NFL are not. A combination of longevity through generations, championships, and hall of fame players are some of the things that the UC Bearcats and the Cincinnati Reds have that the Bengals do not.

There is also the subtle things as well from the logos and colors of the team. The Cincinnati Reds and the University of Cincinnati share a similar color scheme that emphasizes the letter "C" and Cincinnati. The Cincinnati Bengals have a color scheme that looks like a halloween costume and a logo that represents the "B" as in the Brown family or Bengals? The Bengals could move to a different city and nothing about their uniform or logo would have to change. I believe the Bearcats baseball team years ago used hand me downs from the reds. Even a half century ago the UC baseball team used a version of the wishbone "C" on their caps, the football coaches did too.

I want to take my wife and son to a UC football game, a UC basketball game, or a Reds game. Those events are more family friendly than the drunk fest that is NFL football.

You are completely off base here--do you have the foggiest clue why the Bengals adopted the name and the color scheme they have?

Check the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati...ti_Bengals

"The franchise takes its name from an earlier Cincinnati Bengals team, which played from 1937–1941. It also was a nod to Paul Brown's Massillon, Ohio, roots where he coached the high school team known as the Tigers.

In 1967, an ownership group led by Paul Brown was granted a franchise in the American Football League. Brown named the team the Bengals in order "to give it a link with past professional football in Cincinnati."[8] Another Bengals team had existed in the city and played in three previous American Football Leagues[9] from 1937 to 1942. The city's world-renowned zoo was also home to a rare white Bengal tiger. However, possibly as an insult to Art Modell, or possibly as a homage to his own start as a head coach to the Massillon Tigers, Brown chose the exact shade of orange used by his former team. He added black as the secondary color. Brown chose a very simple logo: the word "BENGALS" in black lettering. One of the potential helmet designs Brown rejected was a striped motif that was similar to the helmets adopted by the team in 1981 and which is still in use to this day; however, that design featured yellow stripes on a turquoise helmet which were more uniform in width."

As for the Bengals not being "connected to the community"...I beg to differ:

http://www.bengals.com/community/overview.html

I think your jaundiced view of Mike Brown has colored your take on the franchise, which means much more to the community than any personal animus you might have towards one man.

I've seen interviews where it was stated the color scheme came from Paul wanting to take shot at Art Model. Art actually threw a fit that the uni's were copies of the Browns uni's. Bungles were forced by the NFL to change the uni style.
 
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Cincinnati will be fine if the Bungles leave. I would feel for the fans though. What happened to Cleveland and now SAN Diego fans is terrible. At the end of the day though, the NFL and its owners care about making truckloads of cash. They do not care about the Joe the fan. Because they know another fan will replace Joe in another city. Also, Joe will still watch in some capacity.

I will admit my interests rest solely with UC. I care first and foremost about UC. I find it interesting that many say the Bungles leaving will have no effect on UC. For years, on this board and in the local media, I have heard the number 1 reason UC will never be good is there are 2 pro teams in town.
 
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If the city approves another Stadium deal I will move out of Hamilton County.

Bengals are locked in until 2027, at the minimum. The only thing that would make sense would be to build an indoor stadium so we can host some big time events, but that needs to be paid for by a billionaire, not me.
 
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(04-09-2017 08:40 AM)djtothemoney Wrote:  If the city approves another Stadium deal I will move out of Hamilton County.

Bengals are locked in until 2027, at the minimum. The only thing that would make sense would be to build an indoor stadium so we can host some big time events, but that needs to be paid for by a billionaire, not me.

The city doesn't control the current stadium - the county does. And when the Bengal's lease is up, the county will still owe on the stadium and it will take an over sized portion of the county's budget. Hamilton County doesn't have money to spend on another stadium.
 
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