(04-06-2017 09:10 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  And, sometimes trash is simply trash.

23-8

(04-06-2017 09:56 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:10 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  And, sometimes trash is simply trash.

23-8

Ok. Ok. You were 2 years ahead of me on the Josh situation.

Sue me.

(04-06-2017 09:52 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:40 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:36 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I get attacked because I don't agree with the masses (primarily their hatred of a 1st year coach). It's insanity. I'm looking for dialogue and receptive discussions about Tiger sports! I ignore idiots with an agenda. Go Tigers!

FTR, I've maintained that he should get 3 years to get us to the NCAA tournament. That's not the ultimate goal for the program but it is the first step on the road to relevance. After that I think he needs to build... by the end of his contract I'd expect at least 1 Sweet 16. Those were my expectations...they are fair.

What he's done seems to really affect that timeline and the goals...but it's only been 1 year. We will see...

I share your same expectations my guy but the overall panic displayed on this board is unrealistic. We don't know Tubby's connections elsewhere. I think one of the reasons he took the job reignited an opportunity for him to win at a higher level here.
Given an equitable chance to rebuild...I think we will be pleased with the outcome. The hysteria is illogical.

I don't think it's necessarily illogical. Losing the best 3 players and the 3 best local recruits isn't a great way to instill confidence.

Anyone that uses his kids as leverage so he can better himself is a loser. I don't blame Tubby for not liking the guy.

Throw out the trash!

Better days ahead. Go Tigers!

(04-06-2017 10:18 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Anyone that uses his kids as leverage so he can better himself is a loser. I don't blame Tubby for not liking the guy.

Throw out the trash!

Better days ahead. Go Tigers!

How about someone using himself as leverage to better the kid - like Tubby and Saul?

NEXT

(04-06-2017 10:20 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:18 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Anyone that uses his kids as leverage so he can better himself is a loser. I don't blame Tubby for not liking the guy.

Throw out the trash!

Better days ahead. Go Tigers!

How about someone using himself as leverage to better the kid - like Tubby and Saul?

NEXT

RRR

(04-06-2017 10:20 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:18 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Anyone that uses his kids as leverage so he can better himself is a loser. I don't blame Tubby for not liking the guy.

Throw out the trash!

Better days ahead. Go Tigers!

How about someone using himself as leverage to better the kid - like Tubby and Saul?

NEXT

You wouldn't help out your own kid similarly if you were able?

(04-06-2017 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:20 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:18 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Anyone that uses his kids as leverage so he can better himself is a loser. I don't blame Tubby for not liking the guy.

Throw out the trash!

Better days ahead. Go Tigers!

How about someone using himself as leverage to better the kid - like Tubby and Saul?

NEXT

You wouldn't help out your own kid similarly if you were able?

Wow - some will make any excuse for a coach.

It's the same difference.

Really? Grown men acting like high school children on twitter?

(04-06-2017 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:20 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:18 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Anyone that uses his kids as leverage so he can better himself is a loser. I don't blame Tubby for not liking the guy.

Throw out the trash!

Better days ahead. Go Tigers!

How about someone using himself as leverage to better the kid - like Tubby and Saul?

NEXT

You wouldn't help out your own kid similarly if you were able?

Most parents would but is he doing the job? At least with Keelon you got a return on the money. JMO.

(04-06-2017 10:29 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:20 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:18 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Anyone that uses his kids as leverage so he can better himself is a loser. I don't blame Tubby for not liking the guy.

Throw out the trash!

Better days ahead. Go Tigers!

How about someone using himself as leverage to better the kid - like Tubby and Saul?

NEXT

You wouldn't help out your own kid similarly if you were able?

Wow - some will make any excuse for a coach.

It's the same difference.

Not even close. I'll admit that I'd rather see a strong recruiter in the job than Saul. But a father helping a son is much different than a dad whoring out his kids for personal gain. This is a fairly unique situation. Out of the top 100 players this year, how many made a package deal with their dad? How many dads publicly announce that they will take their kids with them if are given a job?

(04-06-2017 10:37 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:29 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:20 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:18 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Anyone that uses his kids as leverage so he can better himself is a loser. I don't blame Tubby for not liking the guy.

Throw out the trash!

Better days ahead. Go Tigers!

How about someone using himself as leverage to better the kid - like Tubby and Saul?

NEXT

You wouldn't help out your own kid similarly if you were able?

Wow - some will make any excuse for a coach.

It's the same difference.

Not even close. I'll admit that I'd rather see a strong recruiter in the job than Saul. But a father helping a son is much different than a dad whoring out his kids for personal gain. This is a fairly unique situation. Out of the top 100 players this year, how many made a package deal with their dad? How many dads publicly announce that they will take their kids with them if are given a job?

The Porter kid that was committted to Washington was part of a deal like that. It happens.

(04-06-2017 09:08 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Chuck Lawson and Peter Fleischer are going back and forth on Twitter ...

Found this part interesting - reagarding the relationship between the staff and Keelon...

Chuck Lawson @ChuckLawson901
"Did they tell u about leaving him at hotel on purpose or having meetings without him or not speaking to him..walking right past his office?"

If this is true---Smith needs to be fired on general principal---for being a prick ***hole---what a jerk.

(04-06-2017 10:38 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:37 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:29 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:20 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How about someone using himself as leverage to better the kid - like Tubby and Saul?

NEXT

You wouldn't help out your own kid similarly if you were able?

Wow - some will make any excuse for a coach.

It's the same difference.

Not even close. I'll admit that I'd rather see a strong recruiter in the job than Saul. But a father helping a son is much different than a dad whoring out his kids for personal gain. This is a fairly unique situation. Out of the top 100 players this year, how many made a package deal with their dad? How many dads publicly announce that they will take their kids with them if are given a job?

The Porter kid that was committted to Washington was part of a deal like that. It happens.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. But it doesn't happen often. We hired Wagner.

It's still very unusual..

(04-06-2017 10:40 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:08 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Chuck Lawson and Peter Fleischer are going back and forth on Twitter ...

Found this part interesting - reagarding the relationship between the staff and Keelon...

Chuck Lawson @ChuckLawson901
"Did they tell u about leaving him at hotel on purpose or having meetings without him or not speaking to him..walking right past his office?"

If this is true---Smith needs to be fired on general principal---for being a prick ***hole---what a jerk.

Tubby probably doesn't like parents that are pimps.

How can anyone expect to win at a higher level when they cannot land higher level players?

What’s unrealistic is the way this team fell apart in the latter part of the season. Being optimistic is good but having insight as to what could be realistic in 1-3 years ahead gives you a clue what is needed and what to expect.

If not then you’re basically clueless.

(04-06-2017 10:47 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Tubby probably doesn't like parents that are pimps.

Okay then.

A lot of power conference head coaches don't have that same problem - plenty are calling. Plenty.

At least the Tigers can lose with dignity next year?

Sweet.

(04-06-2017 10:51 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:47 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Tubby probably doesn't like parents that are pimps.

Okay then.

A lot of power conference head coaches don't have that same problem - plenty are calling. Plenty.

At least the Tigers can lose with dignity next year?

Sweet.

We weren't going to be good next year anyway. Maybe we'll find more kids that don't quit.

Sure, someone else will take this loser. We'll be fine...

(04-06-2017 10:47 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:40 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:08 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Chuck Lawson and Peter Fleischer are going back and forth on Twitter ...

Found this part interesting - reagarding the relationship between the staff and Keelon...

Chuck Lawson @ChuckLawson901
"Did they tell u about leaving him at hotel on purpose or having meetings without him or not speaking to him..walking right past his office?"

If this is true---Smith needs to be fired on general principal---for being a prick ***hole---what a jerk.

Tubby probably doesn't like parents that are pimps.

That wasn't the situation here. Just butthurt opinion.

(04-06-2017 10:15 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:52 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:40 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:36 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I get attacked because I don't agree with the masses (primarily their hatred of a 1st year coach). It's insanity. I'm looking for dialogue and receptive discussions about Tiger sports! I ignore idiots with an agenda. Go Tigers!

FTR, I've maintained that he should get 3 years to get us to the NCAA tournament. That's not the ultimate goal for the program but it is the first step on the road to relevance. After that I think he needs to build... by the end of his contract I'd expect at least 1 Sweet 16. Those were my expectations...they are fair.

What he's done seems to really affect that timeline and the goals...but it's only been 1 year. We will see...

I share your same expectations my guy but the overall panic displayed on this board is unrealistic. We don't know Tubby's connections elsewhere. I think one of the reasons he took the job reignited an opportunity for him to win at a higher level here.
Given an equitable chance to rebuild...I think we will be pleased with the outcome. The hysteria is illogical.

I don't think it's necessarily illogical. Losing the best 3 players and the 3 best local recruits isn't a great way to instill confidence.

We haven't a clue relative to their prospective replacements. We don't know Tubby's strategies or plans thus far. I simply choose to wait and see what happens as opposed to erratically predicting a catastrophic season next year. I understand your unquestionable concern. My trust is in the guys who are paid to get it done. Joe Esposito tweets, "Great days ahead" I'm inclined to believe the positive outlook.