(04-05-2017 03:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  Probably views next year as his first here.

Too bad almost none of the fan base does.

I'm with the OP. I was not interested in seeing the team with KJ as the supposed leader. I expressed my opinion as both being able to put up numbers, but neither was effective or impactful IMO.

I'm an outsider but I'm curious what the ire is over Tubby. Did y'all expect him to come in and dominate the league right off the bat?
And, yeah, I recognize that ECU is an albatross in basketball. That doesn't mean that we don't know something about it. Kind of hard not to in NC.

Other than not being from Memphis I'm not seeing what the problem is with these recruits.

2017 - #2 AAC class right now
Nickelberry - Prep School Player w/ offers from FSU, UF, Miami, Texas...
Enoh - offers from Arkansas, OSU, Vandy, KState, UTK, FGCU, Providence...
Johnson - offers from most of the SEC, Wake Forest, KState, Harvard (probably a smart player)

(04-05-2017 03:36 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I'm an outsider but I'm curious what the ire is over Tubby. Did y'all expect him to come in and dominate the league right off the bat?
And, yeah, I recognize that ECU is an albatross in basketball. That doesn't mean that we don't know something about it. Kind of hard not to in NC.

Other than not being from Memphis I'm not seeing what the problem is with these recruits.

2017 - #2 AAC class right now
Nickelberry - Prep School Player w/ offers from FSU, UF, Miami, Texas...
Enoh - offers from Arkansas, OSU, Vandy, KState, UTK, FGCU, Providence...
Johnson - offers from most of the SEC, Wake Forest, KState, Harvard (probably a smart player)

If they don't have 4+ stars, people here think they suck. Those other programs recruiting these guys were wrong too.

(04-05-2017 03:36 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I'm an outsider but I'm curious what the ire is over Tubby. Did y'all expect him to come in and dominate the league right off the bat?
And, yeah, I recognize that ECU is an albatross in basketball. That doesn't mean that we don't know something about it. Kind of hard not to in NC.

Other than not being from Memphis I'm not seeing what the problem is with these recruits.

2017 - #2 AAC class right now
Nickelberry - Prep School Player w/ offers from FSU, UF, Miami, Texas...
Enoh - offers from Arkansas, OSU, Vandy, KState, UTK, FGCU, Providence...
Johnson - offers from most of the SEC, Wake Forest, KState, Harvard (probably a smart player)

Your logic and common sense will be mocked and derided here in 3...2...1...

(04-05-2017 03:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  Obviously an opinion, but I'd bet Tubby took a deep breath today and is actually relieved. Probably views next year as his first here.

Stating the obvious here, but we let a coach making $3.1 million dollars waste a year? Check the Forum next year and get back to me.

and, uh, have you seen the recruiting rankings and who we are recruiting? I can only imagine what you would have said if Pastner brought in a sub top 50 class and was bringing in multiple juco's for a visit with this many open needs.

I'm not a Pastner fan, so don't accuse me of that.

(04-05-2017 03:29 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  It could be very ugly. But I am very interested to see if "Tubby's way" can work here.

It was already very ugly...by my expectations anyway. lol

(04-05-2017 03:40 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  If they don't have 4+ stars, people here think they suck. Those other programs recruiting these guys were wrong too.

There are some that think that.

Others see what has happened at a good handful of non power schools and realize it can be done here, with a few tweaks to the process.

But you have to sign the guys first.

For all the blather about next year and Tubby's guys and whatnot, he still only has 8 scholarship players, which will probably by 7 after Markel decides, only 3 with DI experience.

So, it's not about stars...it's about having a full roster and depth and players that fill roles...as of right now, they are a long way from that.

Time will tell though.

It just looks like he's trying to do it differently than Cal and Pastner were to me. There's nothing wrong with that at all but you have to be patient. Clearly Tubby has a smart basketball mind. Maybe he wants guys that he thinks will "buy in" to what he is selling and they happen to be located outside of Memphis.

oruvoice... They can mock me all they want. I could probably do a better job coaching at ECU than our current coach. We have a REAL disaster on our hands and have for a long time. Be thankful for what you've got to build on there. At ECU we have basically nothing and I'd rather be good at hoops. Painful.

(04-05-2017 03:36 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I'm an outsider but I'm curious what the ire is over Tubby. Did y'all expect him to come in and dominate the league right off the bat?
And, yeah, I recognize that ECU is an albatross in basketball. That doesn't mean that we don't know something about it. Kind of hard not to in NC.

Other than not being from Memphis I'm not seeing what the problem is with these recruits.

2017 - #2 AAC class right now
Nickelberry - Prep School Player w/ offers from FSU, UF, Miami, Texas...
Enoh - offers from Arkansas, OSU, Vandy, KState, UTK, FGCU, Providence...
Johnson - offers from most of the SEC, Wake Forest, KState, Harvard (probably a smart player)

because we needed more than three players.

because we needed a big and lost one to Georgia and one that we recruited heavily all year included Boston College in his top 5 instead of us, even though BC lost 15 straight games to end the year.

The recruiting class you mentioned would have been great if we weren't counting on those players to produce next year. These are solid first year bench guys to build on.

I'm willing to let it play out, but a 3-4 year rebuild to get back on the bubble is not necessarily what you pay a top 10 salary for. I'm not sure why this was such an issue with Pastner but people are cool with it now.

(04-05-2017 03:46 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  It just looks like he's trying to do it differently than Cal and Pastner were to me. There's nothing wrong with that at all but you have to be patient. Clearly Tubby has a smart basketball mind. Maybe he wants guys that he thinks will "buy in" to what he is selling and they happen to be located outside of Memphis.

Which is why it was a bad fit.

Memphis ain't that kind of job.

(04-05-2017 03:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  Obviously an opinion, but I'd bet Tubby took a deep breath today and is actually relieved. Probably views next year as his first here.

Yep

(04-05-2017 03:48 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  Obviously an opinion, but I'd bet Tubby took a deep breath today and is actually relieved. Probably views next year as his first here.

Yep

Most don't.

(04-05-2017 03:48 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:46 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  It just looks like he's trying to do it differently than Cal and Pastner were to me. There's nothing wrong with that at all but you have to be patient. Clearly Tubby has a smart basketball mind. Maybe he wants guys that he thinks will "buy in" to what he is selling and they happen to be located outside of Memphis.

Which is why it was a bad fit.

Memphis ain't that kind of job.

Hood-rich...Sorry I was wrong, it took 12 seconds longer than I expected.

(04-05-2017 03:36 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I'm an outsider but I'm curious what the ire is over Tubby. Did y'all expect him to come in and dominate the league right off the bat?
And, yeah, I recognize that ECU is an albatross in basketball. That doesn't mean that we don't know something about it. Kind of hard not to in NC.

Other than not being from Memphis I'm not seeing what the problem is with these recruits.

2017 - #2 AAC class right now
Nickelberry - Prep School Player w/ offers from FSU, UF, Miami, Texas...
Enoh - offers from Arkansas, OSU, Vandy, KState, UTK, FGCU, Providence...
Johnson - offers from most of the SEC, Wake Forest, KState, Harvard (probably a smart player)

ECU knows nothing about basketball.

(04-05-2017 03:48 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:46 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  It just looks like he's trying to do it differently than Cal and Pastner were to me. There's nothing wrong with that at all but you have to be patient. Clearly Tubby has a smart basketball mind. Maybe he wants guys that he thinks will "buy in" to what he is selling and they happen to be located outside of Memphis.

Which is why it was a bad fit.

Memphis ain't that kind of job.

And that's completely irrational at any school. Matt Dougherty had 8 wins his second year at UNC. He got a third.

(04-05-2017 03:42 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  Obviously an opinion, but I'd bet Tubby took a deep breath today and is actually relieved. Probably views next year as his first here.

Stating the obvious here, but we let a coach making $3.1 million dollars waste a year? Check the Forum next year and get back to me.

and, uh, have you seen the recruiting rankings and who we are recruiting? I can only imagine what you would have said if Pastner brought in a sub top 50 class and was bringing in multiple juco's for a visit with this many open needs.

I'm not a Pastner fan, so don't accuse me of that.

A. He didn't waste a year here, not at all, but I think there were some distractions FOR THE TEAM that may have surprised him. Next year represents a bit of a fresh start.
The forum issue is on pastner. Rebuilding the program will get the people back.
B. There are outstanding players every year in college basketball that didn't rank high while being recruited. Rodney Carney is a good example, Mingo Johnson, DJ Stephens and others. pastner was a HORRIBLE fit here and lousy evaluator of his own talent here. He's gone now and I could not care less about him.
C. I really don't care if you're a pastner fan or not. I am, probably like you, a fan of the program and I think the program got a little breath of fresh air today, no offense to the players who left because they are good kids.

(04-05-2017 03:51 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:36 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I'm an outsider but I'm curious what the ire is over Tubby. Did y'all expect him to come in and dominate the league right off the bat?
And, yeah, I recognize that ECU is an albatross in basketball. That doesn't mean that we don't know something about it. Kind of hard not to in NC.

Other than not being from Memphis I'm not seeing what the problem is with these recruits.

2017 - #2 AAC class right now
Nickelberry - Prep School Player w/ offers from FSU, UF, Miami, Texas...
Enoh - offers from Arkansas, OSU, Vandy, KState, UTK, FGCU, Providence...
Johnson - offers from most of the SEC, Wake Forest, KState, Harvard (probably a smart player)

ECU knows nothing about basketball.

Childish remark. Just because my school is horrible at it doesn't mean I have anything to do with those results.

I know little about Memphis basketball (what makes it tick). I just want the conference to be as good as possible, starting with firing our HC and finally committing to success.

(04-05-2017 03:52 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:48 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:46 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  It just looks like he's trying to do it differently than Cal and Pastner were to me. There's nothing wrong with that at all but you have to be patient. Clearly Tubby has a smart basketball mind. Maybe he wants guys that he thinks will "buy in" to what he is selling and they happen to be located outside of Memphis.

Which is why it was a bad fit.

Memphis ain't that kind of job.

And that's completely irrational at any school. Matt Dougherty had 8 wins his second year. He got a third.

It's a different day and age now.

That's the problem Tubby's approach in 2017 at a basketball school.

The grad transfer market has really opened up a new market.

So many transfers - JC and DI.

You can be competitive much quicker these days.

Tubby's approach is a fine approach at a school that cares about football more than basketball - like Minnesota or Texas Tech.

It's why I say bad fit.

Not bad coach.

Bad fit.

I get a kick out of all these folks to take shot at the kids, never hold the dude getting paid $2.65 million or $3 million accountable.

Now we get the fallback, like with Pastner (once he gets "his" guys in here)...

Memphis was going to get better
1) When Sallie got kicked off
2) When Carmouche was sent away
3) When Joe took his king act somewhere else
4) When the disrespectful Spoon left
5) When Tarik took his disrespectful self to Kansas
6) When the Four Kings got outta here
7) When Frank got canned
8) When Iverson and Pookie took their selfish asses outta here
9) When Austin and Nick left
10) And now, when the cancerous, hostage holding Lawson's leave.

Problems all solved.

Except for actually winning.

Then we hear the, "let's just do it like Gonzaga or Xavier...good, not great, kids that listen to their coach."

Except, Xavier started four 4*'s (six total on their roster), a grad transfer, and have the #10 class coming in this year.

Gonzaga had the #17 class in 2016. Few had five 4* recruits and two 4* transfers.

So, yeah, we can talk all we want about "coaching em up" but bringing in one top 150 kid and two other 200+ kids along with a handful of JUCO all rated lower than what Jimario Rivers was last year (17th by the way) isn't getting us closer to X or the Zags.