Tubby isn't a good fit for this job. It isn't going to work.

(04-05-2017 02:15 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  The man inherited a complete mess from the Wonder Boy, Josh made it uncool to come to Memphis anymore, not Tubby. Only a desperate to win coach or be fired will want a Dad on the bench controlling the two better players. This is all on Josh not Tubby, can we please give the man half a chance to try and turn things around, he has only been in the city for a year, maybe less. I know everyone is frustrated and tired of losing but he inherited that. Maybe he doesn't get it done but at least give him some time to try before calling for him to leave.

If he inherited as big of a mess as you claim how was it possible for him to run off 4 players who were rated as 4 stars each. NONE of which he recruited.

Team has a lot of talent just no a lot of depth due to his not doing any significant recruiting after he took the job.

(04-05-2017 05:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:15 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  The man inherited a complete mess from the Wonder Boy, Josh made it uncool to come to Memphis anymore, not Tubby. Only a desperate to win coach or be fired will want a Dad on the bench controlling the two better players. This is all on Josh not Tubby, can we please give the man half a chance to try and turn things around, he has only been in the city for a year, maybe less. I know everyone is frustrated and tired of losing but he inherited that. Maybe he doesn't get it done but at least give him some time to try before calling for him to leave.

+1,000,000

You're both delusional and are whistling past the graveyard.

(04-05-2017 02:28 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:26 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:23 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:15 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  The man inherited a complete mess from the Wonder Boy, Josh made it uncool to come to Memphis anymore, not Tubby. Only a desperate to win coach or be fired will want a Dad on the bench controlling the two better players. This is all on Josh not Tubby, can we please give the man half a chance to try and turn things around, he has only been in the city for a year, maybe less. I know everyone is frustrated and tired of losing but he inherited that. Maybe he doesn't get it done but at least give him some time to try before calling for him to leave.

Great post and right on!! The Cancers are gone!!

so are all the high major D-1 players

You're the only thing high. Majorly. Dedric was a decent D 1 player that has trouble against athletic high motor bigs. But has the skill set to get by. The rest? Jeremiah was a nice surprise at times because the kid is a defender, high motor and hungry to be better. But still low mid starter.

(04-05-2017 06:04 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  The Memphis Tigers' basketball team will be fine. The Lawson duo was not program changer as evidenced by this season's record. It's laughable to think the program will implode due their absence. All of these wannabe internet coaches wouldn't have a clue about how to run a D1 basketball program.

Correct assessment of the Lawsons based on fact.

(04-05-2017 09:37 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 06:04 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  The Memphis Tigers' basketball team will be fine. The Lawson duo was not program changer as evidenced by this season's record. It's laughable to think the program will implode due their absence. All of these wannabe internet coaches wouldn't have a clue about how to run a D1 basketball program.

Correct assessment of the Lawsons based on fact.

So, next year Tubby will have at least a first team all-conference player and the conference rookie of the year?

Didn't take Nick King back either so, he must have some really good super secret recruits lined up and plenty of D1 players ready to bring in so that he can run meaningful practices instead of walk-throughs against the intramural all-stars?

(04-05-2017 02:30 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:29 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Amazes me how people cheer for a kid and two months later he is a "cancer."

Amazes me how people were supporting Tubby with 2 weeks left in the season and two months later he's the "cancer".

I support Tiger athletics. I cheer for them to win. But Tubby has done nothing to generate excitement on this team. I'll continue to support, but this has all the makings of a complete dumpster fire.

I'm kind of tired of different players each year being the tail that wags the dog. That's why I quit going to bb games about four years ago, after being a season ticket holder for ten years. WAY too much drama, not enough energy and pride on the floor.

Dang, I miss the days of Antonio Anderson, Willie Kemp and CDR. Those guys had the swagger, but they backed it up by their play and focus and ice in their veins.

Rudd and Bowen to whatever extent orchestrated the hiring of Fuente and then Norvell, so let this play out. THEY aren't the problem in this "situation." Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

(04-05-2017 03:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:00 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:17 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:15 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  The man inherited a complete mess from the Wonder Boy, Josh made it uncool to come to Memphis anymore, not Tubby. Only a desperate to win coach or be fired will want a Dad on the bench controlling the two better players. This is all on Josh not Tubby, can we please give the man half a chance to try and turn things around, he has only been in the city for a year, maybe less. I know everyone is frustrated and tired of losing but he inherited that. Maybe he doesn't get it done but at least give him some time to try before calling for him to leave.

Most ignorant post of the year!

What about it is wrong?

You didn't ask me but I will respond. For starters, He inherited more talent than he has had since he won with Rick's players at KY. The mess Josh left him you say--- He will never have that much talent again. I thought he would coach um up people said--what a joke. WE WILL RUE THE DAY !!!!!

LMAO
again...LMFAO

Inherited some talent from a team that couldn't make the NIT last season, and this year's team is a shell of a team after we lost most of our scoring and rebounding from last season.

Talented team...SMDH

(04-06-2017 12:34 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I'm kind of tired of different players each year being the tail that wags the dog. That's why I quit going to bb games about four years ago, after being a season ticket holder for ten years. WAY too much drama, not enough energy and pride on the floor.

Dang, I miss the days of Antonio Anderson, Willie Kemp and CDR. Those guys had the swagger, but they backed it up by their play and focus and ice in their veins.

Rudd and Bowen to whatever extent orchestrated the hiring of Fuente and then Norvell, so let this play out. THEY aren't the problem in this "situation." Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Those guys were proud of the name on the jersey. Heck in the sweet 16 against MO, it was obvious Cal was checked out but Evans didn't give a $hit...he still went all out. These Lawsons quit on the team, quit on the city. Even if you can't get along with the coach, have some damn pride. F them.

(04-06-2017 12:34 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I'm kind of tired of different players each year being the tail that wags the dog. That's why I quit going to bb games about four years ago, after being a season ticket holder for ten years. WAY too much drama, not enough energy and pride on the floor.

Dang, I miss the days of Antonio Anderson, Willie Kemp and CDR. Those guys had the swagger, but they backed it up by their play and focus and ice in their veins.

Rudd and Bowen to whatever extent orchestrated the hiring of Fuente and then Norvell, so let this play out. THEY aren't the problem in this "situation." Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Wasn't it Antonio Anderson that kissed the logo before his last home game as a Tiger? Gotta love that.

(04-06-2017 01:00 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:00 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:17 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:15 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  The man inherited a complete mess from the Wonder Boy, Josh made it uncool to come to Memphis anymore, not Tubby. Only a desperate to win coach or be fired will want a Dad on the bench controlling the two better players. This is all on Josh not Tubby, can we please give the man half a chance to try and turn things around, he has only been in the city for a year, maybe less. I know everyone is frustrated and tired of losing but he inherited that. Maybe he doesn't get it done but at least give him some time to try before calling for him to leave.

Most ignorant post of the year!

What about it is wrong?

You didn't ask me but I will respond. For starters, He inherited more talent than he has had since he won with Rick's players at KY. The mess Josh left him you say--- He will never have that much talent again. I thought he would coach um up people said--what a joke. WE WILL RUE THE DAY !!!!!

LMAO
again...LMFAO

Inherited some talent from a team that couldn't make the NIT last season, and this year's team is a shell of a team after we lost most of our scoring and rebounding from last season.

Talented team...SMDH

Be interesting to see how many players on the roster at the start of this past season our folks on this board think could start for a Top 25 team. My answer is almost certainly exactly 1 and that is Dedric. Really solid college player. Beyond that you would have Top 25 role players in Crawford and Martin because of their defense. Don't really think Rivers would be in a rotation and depending on the style KJ might be a 4th off the bench type guy. Thoughts?

Pickins be slim.

(04-06-2017 06:40 AM)eltigre Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:34 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I'm kind of tired of different players each year being the tail that wags the dog. That's why I quit going to bb games about four years ago, after being a season ticket holder for ten years. WAY too much drama, not enough energy and pride on the floor.

Dang, I miss the days of Antonio Anderson, Willie Kemp and CDR. Those guys had the swagger, but they backed it up by their play and focus and ice in their veins.

Rudd and Bowen to whatever extent orchestrated the hiring of Fuente and then Norvell, so let this play out. THEY aren't the problem in this "situation." Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Wasn't it Antonio Anderson that kissed the logo before his last home game as a Tiger? Gotta love that.

I think it was Shaq.

(04-06-2017 07:09 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 06:40 AM)eltigre Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:34 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I'm kind of tired of different players each year being the tail that wags the dog. That's why I quit going to bb games about four years ago, after being a season ticket holder for ten years. WAY too much drama, not enough energy and pride on the floor.

Dang, I miss the days of Antonio Anderson, Willie Kemp and CDR. Those guys had the swagger, but they backed it up by their play and focus and ice in their veins.

Rudd and Bowen to whatever extent orchestrated the hiring of Fuente and then Norvell, so let this play out. THEY aren't the problem in this "situation." Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Wasn't it Antonio Anderson that kissed the logo before his last home game as a Tiger? Gotta love that.

I think it was Shaq.

Not sure of the others mentioned, but Doneal Mack did.

(04-06-2017 07:22 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 07:09 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 06:40 AM)eltigre Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:34 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I'm kind of tired of different players each year being the tail that wags the dog. That's why I quit going to bb games about four years ago, after being a season ticket holder for ten years. WAY too much drama, not enough energy and pride on the floor.

Dang, I miss the days of Antonio Anderson, Willie Kemp and CDR. Those guys had the swagger, but they backed it up by their play and focus and ice in their veins.

Rudd and Bowen to whatever extent orchestrated the hiring of Fuente and then Norvell, so let this play out. THEY aren't the problem in this "situation." Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Wasn't it Antonio Anderson that kissed the logo before his last home game as a Tiger? Gotta love that.

I think it was Shaq.

Not sure of the others mentioned, but Doneal Mack did.

Yep, it was Doneal.

(04-05-2017 02:17 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:15 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  The man inherited a complete mess from the Wonder Boy, Josh made it uncool to come to Memphis anymore, not Tubby. Only a desperate to win coach or be fired will want a Dad on the bench controlling the two better players. This is all on Josh not Tubby, can we please give the man half a chance to try and turn things around, he has only been in the city for a year, maybe less. I know everyone is frustrated and tired of losing but he inherited that. Maybe he doesn't get it done but at least give him some time to try before calling for him to leave.

Most ignorant post of the year!

DISAGREE

(04-05-2017 02:15 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  The man inherited a complete mess from the Wonder Boy, Josh made it uncool to come to Memphis anymore, not Tubby. Only a desperate to win coach or be fired will want a Dad on the bench controlling the two better players. This is all on Josh not Tubby, can we please give the man half a chance to try and turn things around, he has only been in the city for a year, maybe less. I know everyone is frustrated and tired of losing but he inherited that. Maybe he doesn't get it done but at least give him some time to try before calling for him to leave.

Coach Pastner wasn't around in February.

(04-06-2017 07:09 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 06:40 AM)eltigre Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:34 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I'm kind of tired of different players each year being the tail that wags the dog. That's why I quit going to bb games about four years ago, after being a season ticket holder for ten years. WAY too much drama, not enough energy and pride on the floor.

Dang, I miss the days of Antonio Anderson, Willie Kemp and CDR. Those guys had the swagger, but they backed it up by their play and focus and ice in their veins.

Rudd and Bowen to whatever extent orchestrated the hiring of Fuente and then Norvell, so let this play out. THEY aren't the problem in this "situation." Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Wasn't it Antonio Anderson that kissed the logo before his last home game as a Tiger? Gotta love that.

I think it was Shaq.

It was Mack.

I'm sad, upset, disappointed...... My Tigers, who I have followed for decades, are in a world of hurt - No Sh%t Sherlock. Any intelligent follower of the program, can see that our Tigers have been effected by 'numerous' variables over the past years:

- Coaching Consistency. Effects recruiting big time. Yes, Gonzaga is thriving, Xavier is thriving, Wichita State is thriving, Dayton was thriving - just lost it's coach, Cincinnati is thriving, etc. There are other non Power 5 teams thriving. (Yes, being in a Power 5 conference is impactful also). Look at the common denominator at those schools - Coaching Consistency.

- Coach Cal. He took our program to great heights. Loved him while he was doing what he was doing. At what price to us? Program on probation; Banners condemned (we were erased from history); Left the program when we really needed him. You know the history. Major setbacks for the program.

- Josh Pastner. He really wanted to do a good job. But, he came in with a lack of experience and skill set to keep us at a high level. Not really a fault of his. He could not sustain the program. He took us to numerous tournaments, had some success, but the changing environment overcame him (internal team chaos, national recruiting, recruit evaluation, on the job training/learning caught up with him, Lawson's(no win situation). Great guy with a tough, tough challenge.

- Team Stability. Coach Smith is a very good coach, not a miracle worker. Having to handle that whole Lawson scene, no bench, and other factors, on some level requires a miracle worker. Until Cal got the right NBA level players and strong supporting players, we were very mediocre. The Lawsons will probably move on to Kentucky or Ole Miss or some other taker. Good luck with that. Team stability every year, in recent years, has shown it's ugly head.

Memphis basketball has had a hard row to hoe for awhile now. We need to settle down and allow this staff an opportunity to stabilize what years of "stuff" has impacted upon our program.

I hate where we are, but I will always be a fan, always attend and watch games. Hurt with the pain and celebrate the joy. Hope we have some more joy.

Disclaimer: Not trying to call out any, poster, fan, parent, player, coach, Administrator, hater, poser, or malcontent.