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RE: Andy Katz: Friday Vote to admit Wichita State
(04-05-2017 09:32 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Question for Shockers fans: What ever happened to the Valley? It seems like not all that long ago, the Valley was about on par with the A-10. I remember you guys, Creighton, Northern Iowa, SIU, Indiana State, Drake (one year at least), and Bradley all making noise in the Dance, especially in the late 2000's and early 2010's. More recently it's been a 1-2 bid league. Why the dropoff?

This recent article by the Wichita State beat writer explains a little bit.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wic...77778.html
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Andy Katz: Friday Vote to admit Wichita State
(04-05-2017 09:42 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:25 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 06:58 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  ECU holding out for a stipulation that the Shockers must swap coaches.....

ECU and some others should be trying to push for votes for VCU and one other. I really want to be back in a conference with VCU.


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Me too...I think Uconn fans would be happier with a closer school like VCU. I kind of miss St Louis too...that era of CUSA basketball was my favorite.

VCU/St Louis would make it 7/7 for scheduling divisions. H&H with 5 division foes, 3 games against your designated rival, and play the other division once.


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RE: Andy Katz: Friday Vote to admit Wichita State
(04-05-2017 10:04 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:42 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:25 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 06:58 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  ECU holding out for a stipulation that the Shockers must swap coaches.....

ECU and some others should be trying to push for votes for VCU and one other. I really want to be back in a conference with VCU.


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Me too...I think Uconn fans would be happier with a closer school like VCU. I kind of miss St Louis too...that era of CUSA basketball was my favorite.

VCU/St Louis would make it 7/7 for scheduling divisions. H&H with 5 division foes, 3 games against your designated rival, and play the other division once.


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Great idea
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(04-05-2017 06:58 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  ECU holding out for a stipulation that the Shockers must swap coaches.....
Deal .... WSU WILL SWAP BASEBALL COACHES WITH ECU.
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RE: Andy Katz: Friday Vote to admit Wichita State
(04-05-2017 10:04 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:42 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:25 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 06:58 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  ECU holding out for a stipulation that the Shockers must swap coaches.....

ECU and some others should be trying to push for votes for VCU and one other. I really want to be back in a conference with VCU.


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Me too...I think Uconn fans would be happier with a closer school like VCU. I kind of miss St Louis too...that era of CUSA basketball was my favorite.

VCU/St Louis would make it 7/7 for scheduling divisions. H&H with 5 division foes, 3 games against your designated rival, and play the other division once.


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What part of only 1 non football school don't you get, you idiot.

If you want a better basketball conference either pull your wait or get the "F" out.

Otherwise just STF up.
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RE: Andy Katz: Friday Vote to admit Wichita State
(04-05-2017 09:32 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Question for Shockers fans: What ever happened to the Valley? It seems like not all that long ago, the Valley was about on par with the A-10. I remember you guys, Creighton, Northern Iowa, SIU, Indiana State, Drake (one year at least), and Bradley all making noise in the Dance, especially in the late 2000's and early 2010's. More recently it's been a 1-2 bid league. Why the dropoff?
How much time you got?
I'll try to sum it up: About 2 months ago the league commissioner made a statement that WSU got more from the MVC than the MVC got from WSU.


Does anyone know the NCAA share distribution rules in the AAC? Even split, or higher percentages given to earners? Does the league take a share?
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(04-05-2017 07:42 PM)PonyUpTempo Wrote:  Trying to figure out which bottom feeders would vote no... I could see Tulsa voting no?

Are u looney? Tulsa will be first in line to vote yes. Tulsa wants Wichita St more than any other team in the conference. If you have looked at our schedule over the past several years you will see a regular series with Wichita St almost every year. We and Wichita St. love our rivalry. U gotta be facetious with that remark.
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RE: Andy Katz: Friday Vote to admit Wichita State
(04-05-2017 10:59 PM)BEAST Football Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 10:04 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:42 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:25 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 06:58 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  ECU holding out for a stipulation that the Shockers must swap coaches.....

ECU and some others should be trying to push for votes for VCU and one other. I really want to be back in a conference with VCU.


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Me too...I think Uconn fans would be happier with a closer school like VCU. I kind of miss St Louis too...that era of CUSA basketball was my favorite.

VCU/St Louis would make it 7/7 for scheduling divisions. H&H with 5 division foes, 3 games against your designated rival, and play the other division once.


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What part of only 1 non football school don't you get, you idiot.

If you want a better basketball conference either pull your wait or get the "F" out.

Otherwise just STF up.

I agree.

Expansion should stop after Wichita.

This is a brilliant addition that keeps AAC options open if it ever does decide to grow in the future (like if the Big 12 broke apart and the AAC wanted to absorb up to 4 teams). I do think ESPN is playing a part in this as well.
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RE: Andy Katz: Friday Vote to admit Wichita State
(04-05-2017 10:59 PM)BEAST Football Wrote:  What part of only 1 non football school don't you get, you idiot.

If you want a better basketball conference either pull your wait or get the "F" out.

Otherwise just STF up.

Before you go around calling people 'idiot', you should probably make sure you know the difference between 'weight' and 'wait'.

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(04-06-2017 12:24 AM)Gmoney4WW Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 07:42 PM)PonyUpTempo Wrote:  Trying to figure out which bottom feeders would vote no... I could see Tulsa voting no?

Are u looney? Tulsa will be first in line to vote yes. Tulsa wants Wichita St more than any other team in the conference. If you have looked at our schedule over the past several years you will see a regular series with Wichita St almost every year. We and Wichita St. love our rivalry. U gotta be facetious with that remark.

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This entire scene takes place in Wichita, Kansas. (Really)

How accurate of a depiction are we getting?

Apparently the "people train" runs out of Stubbville.



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(04-06-2017 08:27 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  This entire scene takes place in Wichita, Kansas. (Really)

How accurate of a depiction are we getting?

Apparently the "people train" runs out of Stubbville.





Great clip, movie.
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(04-06-2017 08:27 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  This entire scene takes place in Wichita, Kansas. (Really)

How accurate of a depiction are we getting?

Apparently the "people train" runs out of Stubbville.




None of that movie is filmed in or near Wichita. However, it's true that the "people train" does not operate out of Wichita but rather Newton (I believe).

http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/p/...OZJT5FHaf0
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Hilarious movie, but oh god that depiction of my home town is horrific. If you'll allow me to be the chamber of commerce for a few moments, here's some slightly more positive videos of the real Wichita:











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It is by far the largest city in Kansas & the 48th largest city nationally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un...population
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(04-06-2017 08:58 AM)Veritas. Wrote:  
(04-06-2017 08:27 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  This entire scene takes place in Wichita, Kansas. (Really)

How accurate of a depiction are we getting?

Apparently the "people train" runs out of Stubbville.




None of that movie is filmed in or near Wichita. However, it's true that the "people train" does not operate out of Wichita but rather Newton (I believe).

http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/p/...OZJT5FHaf0

I'm surprised there weren't horse-riding, hatchet-wielding native Americans in war paint dashing through the background in that scene.

Now, had they been attempting to portray Springfield, MO, it would have been right on the money!

Yay, stereotypes!
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(04-05-2017 09:32 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Question for Shockers fans: What ever happened to the Valley? It seems like not all that long ago, the Valley was about on par with the A-10. I remember you guys, Creighton, Northern Iowa, SIU, Indiana State, Drake (one year at least), and Bradley all making noise in the Dance, especially in the late 2000's and early 2010's. More recently it's been a 1-2 bid league. Why the dropoff?

Quite a few factors played into it.

First, much of the success was based on scheduling requirements that included penalties for poor SOS. It clearly worked, but eventually the lower performing schools decided that they didn't want to face such penalties and voted them away.

Second, some of the reason for voting away the penalties was that a lot of schools in the MVC are in states that have been facing major budget crises (Illinois, Iowa, and Missouri have all demanded major cuts to their state schools). This weakened the investment of a number of schools in their athletic programs.

Third, these budget problems coincided with some of the stronger programs in the league making poor hiring decisions, especially SIU and Bradley. These were two of the programs with strong track records of success and willingness to invest, so their production tanking really hurt the league.

Fourth, the Valley has been one of the victims of poaching of players by bigger conferences. A lot of good MVC talent has ended up transferring elsewhere, particularly to B10 programs.

Fifth, all the budget crunch created a gap between the the schools that were willing to invest heavily in athletics (WSU and Creighton) and those whose main concern was saving as much money as possible. Outside of WSU and Creighton, there were a couple of schools still interested in investing, but with limited resources, and everyone else mostly thought small-time. What is worse, the MVC did nothing to appease the concerns of WSU and Creighton. Both schools wanted the conference tournament closer to them since they supplied most of the fans anyway (like in Kansas City). Both of them wanted schools that actually go to the NCAAs to get a bigger cut. These and other suggestions were rejected outright. Had some of the budget problems and bad hires not happened, the voting block of schools might have looked different, but as it played out the little schools that were content to be small time and save money were able to control the conference's direction.
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(04-06-2017 01:15 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  It is by far the largest city in Kansas & the 48th largest city nationally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un...population

Right there with Tulsa and New Orleans. Honestly they fit the profile of the league for the most part and would be a great add.
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(04-06-2017 07:37 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 10:59 PM)BEAST Football Wrote:  What part of only 1 non football school don't you get, you idiot.

If you want a better basketball conference either pull your wait or get the "F" out.

Otherwise just STF up.

Before you go around calling people 'idiot', you should probably make sure you know the difference between 'weight' and 'wait'.

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lol! That's funny stuff!
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RE: Andy Katz: Friday Vote to admit Wichita State
(04-06-2017 08:27 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  This entire scene takes place in Wichita, Kansas. (Really)

How accurate of a depiction are we getting?

Apparently the "people train" runs out of Stubbville.




My family watched this every Christmas. Such a classic!
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