(04-05-2017 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  What's the love with Andy Kennedy? I've never understood it..

He's a player's coach and has done well (relative to the program) at a program that is not good. He's not afraid to do all aspects of coaching (marketing, kissing babies, etc).

Most think, given a job with better resources, he could recruit very well. Still only 49 years old, too.

He's done less over the past 10 years than Tubby has - and Tubby has probably had tougher situations. He is not afraid to get down in the gutters for recruiting though, so I guess there's that. Just don't think he's got a lot of upside.

Maybe, maybe not.

In the last 10 years, Tubby has been at Minny, Tech, and Memphis.

Record of 189-144 (73-107 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference seven times. Zero conference titles. Zero conference tourney titles. 1-4 in the NCAA. 4-2 in NIT.

In the last 10 years, Kennedy at Ole Miss.

Record of 213-126 (90-80 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference one time. One division title. One conference tourney titles. 2-2 in the NCAA. 8-5 in NIT.

(04-05-2017 02:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  What's the love with Andy Kennedy? I've never understood it..

He's a player's coach and has done well (relative to the program) at a program that is not good. He's not afraid to do all aspects of coaching (marketing, kissing babies, etc).

Most think, given a job with better resources, he could recruit very well. Still only 49 years old, too.

He's done less over the past 10 years than Tubby has - and Tubby has probably had tougher situations. He is not afraid to get down in the gutters for recruiting though, so I guess there's that. Just don't think he's got a lot of upside.

Maybe, maybe not.

In the last 10 years, Tubby has been at Minny, Tech, and Memphis.

Record of 189-144 (73-107 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference seven times. Zero conference titles. Zero conference tourney titles. 1-4 in the NCAA. 4-2 in NIT.

In the last 10 years, Kennedy at Ole Miss.

Record of 213-126 (90-80 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference one time. One division title. One conference tourney titles. 2-2 in the NCAA. 12-6 in NIT.

Ouch

(04-05-2017 02:06 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  What's the love with Andy Kennedy? I've never understood it..

He's a player's coach and has done well (relative to the program) at a program that is not good. He's not afraid to do all aspects of coaching (marketing, kissing babies, etc).

Most think, given a job with better resources, he could recruit very well. Still only 49 years old, too.

He's done less over the past 10 years than Tubby has - and Tubby has probably had tougher situations. He is not afraid to get down in the gutters for recruiting though, so I guess there's that. Just don't think he's got a lot of upside.

Maybe, maybe not.

In the last 10 years, Tubby has been at Minny, Tech, and Memphis.

Record of 189-144 (73-107 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference seven times. Zero conference titles. Zero conference tourney titles. 1-4 in the NCAA. 4-2 in NIT.

In the last 10 years, Kennedy at Ole Miss.

Record of 213-126 (90-80 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference one time. One division title. One conference tourney titles. 2-2 in the NCAA. 12-6 in NIT.

Ouch

Sorry, edit the NIT to 8-5.

(04-05-2017 02:06 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  What's the love with Andy Kennedy? I've never understood it..

He's a player's coach and has done well (relative to the program) at a program that is not good. He's not afraid to do all aspects of coaching (marketing, kissing babies, etc).

Most think, given a job with better resources, he could recruit very well. Still only 49 years old, too.

He's done less over the past 10 years than Tubby has - and Tubby has probably had tougher situations. He is not afraid to get down in the gutters for recruiting though, so I guess there's that. Just don't think he's got a lot of upside.

Maybe, maybe not.

In the last 10 years, Tubby has been at Minny, Tech, and Memphis.

Record of 189-144 (73-107 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference seven times. Zero conference titles. Zero conference tourney titles. 1-4 in the NCAA. 4-2 in NIT.

In the last 10 years, Kennedy at Ole Miss.

Record of 213-126 (90-80 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference one time. One division title. One conference tourney titles. 2-2 in the NCAA. 12-6 in NIT.

Ouch

Double ouch. Tubby is just plain awful.

Kennedy would have been a 2000x better hire than Tubby.

How is Andy Kennedy a good option? Don't get it.
Forbes would be a good hire from knowledge/data at hand.
Penny---please No. I want to always love Penny. Don't make me defend Penny later. Or possibly hate his work myself.

(04-05-2017 02:18 PM)gusrob Wrote:  How is Andy Kennedy a good option? Don't get it.
Forbes would be a good hire from knowledge/data at hand.

No way you can believe both of these statements.

(04-05-2017 02:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  What's the love with Andy Kennedy? I've never understood it..

He's a player's coach and has done well (relative to the program) at a program that is not good. He's not afraid to do all aspects of coaching (marketing, kissing babies, etc).

Most think, given a job with better resources, he could recruit very well. Still only 49 years old, too.

He's done less over the past 10 years than Tubby has - and Tubby has probably had tougher situations. He is not afraid to get down in the gutters for recruiting though, so I guess there's that. Just don't think he's got a lot of upside.

Maybe, maybe not.

In the last 10 years, Tubby has been at Minny, Tech, and Memphis.

Record of 189-144 (73-107 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference seven times. Zero conference titles. Zero conference tourney titles. 1-4 in the NCAA. 4-2 in NIT.

In the last 10 years, Kennedy at Ole Miss.

Record of 213-126 (90-80 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference one time. One division title. One conference tourney titles. 2-2 in the NCAA. 8-5 in NIT.

Down goes memtiger1987.

I was gonna look up the stats too; thanks for doing the work.

(04-05-2017 02:21 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:18 PM)gusrob Wrote:  How is Andy Kennedy a good option? Don't get it.
Forbes would be a good hire from knowledge/data at hand.

No way you can believe both of these statements.

Explain. Forbes wins at a school with few resources. Kennedy came from a great coaching tree, but where is his success? Both will DO WHAT IT TAKES to recruit. Doesn't mean they're the same hire. Your view?........

(04-05-2017 02:21 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  What's the love with Andy Kennedy? I've never understood it..

He's a player's coach and has done well (relative to the program) at a program that is not good. He's not afraid to do all aspects of coaching (marketing, kissing babies, etc).

Most think, given a job with better resources, he could recruit very well. Still only 49 years old, too.

He's done less over the past 10 years than Tubby has - and Tubby has probably had tougher situations. He is not afraid to get down in the gutters for recruiting though, so I guess there's that. Just don't think he's got a lot of upside.

Maybe, maybe not.

In the last 10 years, Tubby has been at Minny, Tech, and Memphis.

Record of 189-144 (73-107 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference seven times. Zero conference titles. Zero conference tourney titles. 1-4 in the NCAA. 4-2 in NIT.

In the last 10 years, Kennedy at Ole Miss.

Record of 213-126 (90-80 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference one time. One division title. One conference tourney titles. 2-2 in the NCAA. 8-5 in NIT.

Down goes memtiger1987.

I was gonna look up the stats too; thanks for doing the work.

People hate on AK for his cab incident (rightfully so - it's funny) and because he's at Ole Miss.

What he's been able to do at the worst program in the SEC with the worst facility, worst recruiting budget, etc. has been pretty remarkable.

He does it in creative, unconventional ways. JUCOs, grad transfers, overlooked Memphis kids, International guys, etc.

They finally gave him a decent building to recruit to & what happened? Landed the best Ole Miss recruiting class in recent memory with 2 Top 115 players and the #6 JUCO prospect.

(04-05-2017 02:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  What's the love with Andy Kennedy? I've never understood it..

He's a player's coach and has done well (relative to the program) at a program that is not good. He's not afraid to do all aspects of coaching (marketing, kissing babies, etc).

Most think, given a job with better resources, he could recruit very well. Still only 49 years old, too.

He's done less over the past 10 years than Tubby has - and Tubby has probably had tougher situations. He is not afraid to get down in the gutters for recruiting though, so I guess there's that. Just don't think he's got a lot of upside.

Maybe, maybe not.

In the last 10 years, Tubby has been at Minny, Tech, and Memphis.

Record of 189-144 (73-107 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference seven times. Zero conference titles. Zero conference tourney titles. 1-4 in the NCAA. 4-2 in NIT.

In the last 10 years, Kennedy at Ole Miss.

Record of 213-126 (90-80 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference one time. One division title. One conference tourney titles. 2-2 in the NCAA. 8-5 in NIT.

Lot of 6th and 7th place finishes for both guys. Kennedy did win the West. Give him a medal.

Mine was originally a cursory review just looking at NCAA appearances - since that's how we tend to measure things around here.
Kennedy has been to 2. Tubby has been to 4.
They both have been to the round of 32 one time.

So Kennedy has been slightly better overall, with less to show in the NCAA. Neither have torn it up. Why would you prefer a coach with such debated marginal improvement?

I'd take a shot at Pearl at this point. What he turned UT into was amazing. I think he'd kill it in recruiting and he'd be a rockstar again. I think he assumed he could turned Auburn around faster than he has but thats a tough job. I think he could Memphis around much quicker than UT or Auburn.

(04-05-2017 05:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  What's the love with Andy Kennedy? I've never understood it..

He's a player's coach and has done well (relative to the program) at a program that is not good. He's not afraid to do all aspects of coaching (marketing, kissing babies, etc).

Most think, given a job with better resources, he could recruit very well. Still only 49 years old, too.

He's done less over the past 10 years than Tubby has - and Tubby has probably had tougher situations. He is not afraid to get down in the gutters for recruiting though, so I guess there's that. Just don't think he's got a lot of upside.

Maybe, maybe not.

In the last 10 years, Tubby has been at Minny, Tech, and Memphis.

Record of 189-144 (73-107 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference seven times. Zero conference titles. Zero conference tourney titles. 1-4 in the NCAA. 4-2 in NIT.

In the last 10 years, Kennedy at Ole Miss.

Record of 213-126 (90-80 in conference). Finished in bottom half of conference one time. One division title. One conference tourney titles. 2-2 in the NCAA. 8-5 in NIT.

Lot of 6th and 7th place finishes for both guys. Kennedy did win the West. Give him a medal.

Lots for both? More like 9 for Tubby and 4 for Kennedy.

Kennedy: three 6th place (in a 14 team league) and 4th in 6 team division.

Tubby:In 11 team B1G: 6th(2), 7th, and 9th(2)
In 12 team B1G: 7th and 9th.
In 10 team Big 12: 7th, 9th, 10th.

(04-05-2017 05:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Mine was originally a cursory review just looking at NCAA appearances - since that's how we tend to measure things around here.
Kennedy has been to 2. Tubby has been to 4.
They both have been to the round of 32 one time.

So Kennedy has been slightly better overall, with less to show in the NCAA. Neither have torn it up. Why would you prefer a coach with such debated marginal improvement?

Kennedy would actually recruit. He would sell the program.

(04-05-2017 12:50 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:40 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:39 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:38 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:37 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Would be worth a phone call. Just not sure he'd take it

He's just spent three years rebuilding Auburn. He has another great class coming in and they will be expected to make the tournament next season.

He ain't leaving that to come to this dumpster fire.

Again - probably. But ya gotta call. Just to make sure. Same for Buzz and Marshall

I think Pearl is the one guy that might come.

Bruce Pearl - last 3 years in SEC at Auburn, 4-14, 5-13 and 7-11. Can we all agree once and for all to stop the Pearl discussion?

He cheats. He taped a high school kid, without the kid's permission, to turn in another school. He's a scumbag. We can do so much better than Bruce Freaking Pearl.

If there's no time limit or recognition that folks can change and learn then Saul Smith is a drunk driving loser and why does his daddy have him on his staff?

(04-05-2017 06:46 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I'd take a shot at Pearl at this point. What he turned UT into was amazing. I think he'd kill it in recruiting and he'd be a rockstar again. I think he assumed he could turned Auburn around faster than he has but thats a tough job. I think he could Memphis around much quicker than UT or Auburn.

My concern with Pearl would be keeping us out of hot water. Other than that, he would absolutely kill it here.

(04-05-2017 09:37 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 06:46 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I'd take a shot at Pearl at this point. What he turned UT into was amazing. I think he'd kill it in recruiting and he'd be a rockstar again. I think he assumed he could turned Auburn around faster than he has but thats a tough job. I think he could Memphis around much quicker than UT or Auburn.

My concern with Pearl would be keeping us out of hot water. Other than that, he would absolutely kill it here.

The thing he did at UT is no longer a violation. Lying is still probably an issue.

I think he's learned his lesson. He's spent the last three season building a team at Auburn and he's got another really good class lined up.

He's at least 2-3 years ahead of Memphis right now and is at a football first school. He's making big money and got the recruiting train rolling.


Why would he leave all that to come to this dumpster fire and have to start all over again and deal with a fan base that's already beyond fed up and actually has expectations?

(04-05-2017 09:40 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 09:37 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 06:46 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I'd take a shot at Pearl at this point. What he turned UT into was amazing. I think he'd kill it in recruiting and he'd be a rockstar again. I think he assumed he could turned Auburn around faster than he has but thats a tough job. I think he could Memphis around much quicker than UT or Auburn.

My concern with Pearl would be keeping us out of hot water. Other than that, he would absolutely kill it here.

The thing he did at UT is no longer a violation. Lying is still probably an issue.

I think he's learned his lesson. He's spent the last three season building a team at Auburn and he's got another really good class lined up.

He's at least 2-3 years ahead of Memphis right now and is at a football first school. He's making big money and got the recruiting train rolling.


Why would he leave all that to come to this dumpster fire and have to start all over again and deal with a fan base that's already beyond fed up and actually has expectations?

I'm not saying he would leave Auburn and come to Memphis. I'm just making an observation that he would win big here. He is a salesman and would promote the program and bring back the excitement that has been gone for several years now. He would recruit Memphis kids and he has the personality to manage the program with some of the issues that come with Memphis kids (ie. HS coaches and others in the players' ears). I think Memphis needs a personality like that.

(04-05-2017 09:45 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 09:40 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 09:37 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 06:46 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I'd take a shot at Pearl at this point. What he turned UT into was amazing. I think he'd kill it in recruiting and he'd be a rockstar again. I think he assumed he could turned Auburn around faster than he has but thats a tough job. I think he could Memphis around much quicker than UT or Auburn.

My concern with Pearl would be keeping us out of hot water. Other than that, he would absolutely kill it here.

The thing he did at UT is no longer a violation. Lying is still probably an issue.

I think he's learned his lesson. He's spent the last three season building a team at Auburn and he's got another really good class lined up.

He's at least 2-3 years ahead of Memphis right now and is at a football first school. He's making big money and got the recruiting train rolling.


Why would he leave all that to come to this dumpster fire and have to start all over again and deal with a fan base that's already beyond fed up and actually has expectations?

I'm not saying he would leave Auburn and come to Memphis. I'm just making an observation that he would win big here. He is a salesman and would promote the program and bring back the excitement that has been gone for several years now. He would recruit Memphis kids and he has the personality to manage the program with some of the issues that come with Memphis kids (ie. HS coaches and others in the players' ears). I think Memphis needs a personality like that.

He'd kill it here but that time passed 3-4 years ago.........

He knows how the recruiting game is played.

(04-05-2017 12:27 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  1) Andy Kennedy
2) Steve Forbes
3) Penny Hardaway

Just curious... if those are your 3 choices

Chris Mack. Blank Check.

Plan B Penny work with Tubby til Tubby goes (name a date).

I do not have a name in mind, but I have derived the ideal coach profile (IMO).

I want a young, aggressive coach that relentlessly recruits within the rules but does not mind wading into murky AAU waters. He should have a high tolerance for and ability to corral talented players and their parents. He should become very knowledgeable about Memphis area basketball and become an expert in exploiting his knowledge.

I want a coach with the mentality to work 24/7/365 if that is what it takes to get the job done. Vacations should be forced upon him because such is his zeal to succeed.

I want a coach ceaselessly promoting our program with the media and fans.

I want a coach that understands his weaknesses and is willing to mitigate it (e.g., knows he needs and "x and o" assistant coach).