Bring Penny in a as assistant and RECRUITER

I thought he was already here on the message board...Would he have time?

(04-07-2017 05:39 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Bring Penny in a as assistant and RECRUITER

He can wait until Tubby is canned or retires.

(04-05-2017 02:03 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:32 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  What was the downside of hiring Anfernee Hardaway last year, again?

If all the top local kids are tight with Chandler Lawson, exactly how can Tubby sniff his base now?

I've never been convinced they are. Seems to me, local recruiting really died when the Lawsons came on board. Things look bad now. There's a path where this opens up more local recruiting though. We'll see.

The Lawson's weren't coming to Memphis if we hadn't hired their dad. That's how bad it got.

(04-05-2017 06:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 05:39 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:25 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 01:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Year two will look to be one of the worst in Tiger history.

Link?

Granted, we lost 2 program changers who have single-handedly carried us to deep NCAA runs the past 2 years...wait...

you are about to see what happens without them.

No post season again...not really a big difference, is it?

Yeah because it becomes really easy to reel in recruits in the midst of an 11-21 season to come join your sh!tshow.

Like I said elsewhere, I'm sure Moss, Harris, Lomax, Dandridge etc would love to be leading a cast of 3* and JUCO castoffs to CBI invites.

We shall see

We didn't go anywhere with them. Time to try it out without them.

We'll see how much worse we will really be record wise. You might be disappointed when it's not 11-19

(04-07-2017 06:36 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 06:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 05:39 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:25 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 01:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Link?

Granted, we lost 2 program changers who have single-handedly carried us to deep NCAA runs the past 2 years...wait...

you are about to see what happens without them.

No post season again...not really a big difference, is it?

Yeah because it becomes really easy to reel in recruits in the midst of an 11-21 season to come join your sh!tshow.

Like I said elsewhere, I'm sure Moss, Harris, Lomax, Dandridge etc would love to be leading a cast of 3* and JUCO castoffs to CBI invites.

We shall see

We didn't go anywhere with them. Time to try it out without them.

We'll see how much worse we will really be record wise. You might be disappointed when it's not 11-19

Tubby is a HOF coach?

Larry Brown took over an SMU program that had SUCKED for years. 1st year cleaned house; signed some good kids and took his beatings.

Year 2 they were in and out of the Top 25 most of the year and pretty much got jobbed by not getting an NCAA bid.

Year 3 - won the AAC and were Top 20 all year long.

Memphis is a MUCH easier place to win than SMU.

so, Year two of the Tubby regime should bring an increase in wins.

I expect nothing less than 22-24 wins and a deep NIT run at a minimum.

If that basketball quagmire SMU can be turned around in two years surely a HOF coach like Tubby can turn Memphis around in two years as well?

(04-07-2017 08:03 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:36 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 06:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 05:39 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 02:25 PM)Dylan Wrote:  you are about to see what happens without them.

No post season again...not really a big difference, is it?

Yeah because it becomes really easy to reel in recruits in the midst of an 11-21 season to come join your sh!tshow.

Like I said elsewhere, I'm sure Moss, Harris, Lomax, Dandridge etc would love to be leading a cast of 3* and JUCO castoffs to CBI invites.

We shall see

We didn't go anywhere with them. Time to try it out without them.

We'll see how much worse we will really be record wise. You might be disappointed when it's not 11-19

Tubby is a HOF coach?

Larry Brown took over an SMU program that had SUCKED for years. 1st year cleaned house; signed some good kids and took his beatings.

Year 2 they were in and out of the Top 25 most of the year and pretty much got jobbed by not getting an NCAA bid.

Year 3 - won the AAC and were Top 20 all year long.

Memphis is a MUCH easier place to win than SMU.

so, Year two of the Tubby regime should bring an increase in wins.

I expect nothing less than 22-24 wins and a deep NIT run at a minimum.

If that basketball quagmire SMU can be turned around in two years surely a HOF coach like Tubby can turn Memphis around in two years as well?

20+ wins and I would be ecstatic. IMO it might be year 3 before we win 20+

However I'm hoping to see improvement throughout the year and no collapse end of season. The team will also have mostly players Tubby recruited in year 2. Maybe they will play hard throughout the year and not take games off. Regardless it'll be interesting.

(04-07-2017 08:56 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:03 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:36 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 06:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 05:39 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  No post season again...not really a big difference, is it?

Yeah because it becomes really easy to reel in recruits in the midst of an 11-21 season to come join your sh!tshow.

Like I said elsewhere, I'm sure Moss, Harris, Lomax, Dandridge etc would love to be leading a cast of 3* and JUCO castoffs to CBI invites.

We shall see

We didn't go anywhere with them. Time to try it out without them.

We'll see how much worse we will really be record wise. You might be disappointed when it's not 11-19

Tubby is a HOF coach?

Larry Brown took over an SMU program that had SUCKED for years. 1st year cleaned house; signed some good kids and took his beatings.

Year 2 they were in and out of the Top 25 most of the year and pretty much got jobbed by not getting an NCAA bid.

Year 3 - won the AAC and were Top 20 all year long.

Memphis is a MUCH easier place to win than SMU.

so, Year two of the Tubby regime should bring an increase in wins.

I expect nothing less than 22-24 wins and a deep NIT run at a minimum.

If that basketball quagmire SMU can be turned around in two years surely a HOF coach like Tubby can turn Memphis around in two years as well?

20+ wins and I would be ecstatic. IMO it might be year 3 before we win 20+

However I'm hoping to see improvement throughout the year and no collapse end of season. The team will also have mostly players Tubby recruited in year 2. Maybe they will play hard throughout the year and not take games off. Regardless it'll be interesting.

'Interesting' won't be the commonly used description if next season is a repeat (or worse) of this season......

(04-07-2017 08:56 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:03 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:36 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 06:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 05:39 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  No post season again...not really a big difference, is it?

Yeah because it becomes really easy to reel in recruits in the midst of an 11-21 season to come join your sh!tshow.

Like I said elsewhere, I'm sure Moss, Harris, Lomax, Dandridge etc would love to be leading a cast of 3* and JUCO castoffs to CBI invites.

We shall see

We didn't go anywhere with them. Time to try it out without them.

We'll see how much worse we will really be record wise. You might be disappointed when it's not 11-19

Tubby is a HOF coach?

Larry Brown took over an SMU program that had SUCKED for years. 1st year cleaned house; signed some good kids and took his beatings.

Year 2 they were in and out of the Top 25 most of the year and pretty much got jobbed by not getting an NCAA bid.

Year 3 - won the AAC and were Top 20 all year long.

Memphis is a MUCH easier place to win than SMU.

so, Year two of the Tubby regime should bring an increase in wins.

I expect nothing less than 22-24 wins and a deep NIT run at a minimum.

If that basketball quagmire SMU can be turned around in two years surely a HOF coach like Tubby can turn Memphis around in two years as well?

20+ wins and I would be ecstatic. IMO it might be year 3 before we win 20+

However I'm hoping to see improvement throughout the year and no collapse end of season. The team will also have mostly players Tubby recruited in year 2. Maybe they will play hard throughout the year and not take games off. Regardless it'll be interesting.

I think Tubby's failure to reach the post season, the epic late season collapse, the ramifications of the Lawson drama, and sub-par (by Tiger standards) 2017 and 2018 (to-date) recruiting classes are causing some good Tiger fans to lower expectations for Tubby. In other words, they set the bar lower and then call clearing the bar a success.

FWIW, I will not lower my standards for Tubby. I will not accept diminished expectations. Tubby must meet short-term minimal expectations for Tiger coaches - namely an appearance in the NCAA Tourney within three years upon hire (like nearly every other coach since Bartow). JMO......

WTF is Tubby and crew doing? I mean hell the ONE freshman he managed to get for last year just said adios.....

(04-08-2017 04:41 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  WTF is Tubby and crew doing? I mean hell the ONE freshman he managed to get for last year just said adios.....

Abject disaster. I'm sure Crawford is gone too. Not sure how anyone can expect a roster that will be far less talented and even more short handed than last year to be any better.

Keep in mind these juco players are ranked below where Rivers was ranked last year.

(04-05-2017 12:16 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Tubby is not going anywhere. He is here for the retirement check and the idiot wine and cheesers that pay his salary think things are great. He will bury this program then leave with his $12 million after year 4. What a mess.

Well said. First press conference was telling.

Well,if he is not going to use recruiting aids and incentives as noted in the other thread, I doubt we even sign enough players to field a team this season. While I applaud Tubby for trying to do the right thing, this is, now was, a good college to play bb.
And I thought it was bad with CJP's last year here.

Sure hope the administration is keeping up with this mess.

Eff Tubby

(04-08-2017 11:20 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:56 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:03 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:36 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 06:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Yeah because it becomes really easy to reel in recruits in the midst of an 11-21 season to come join your sh!tshow.

Like I said elsewhere, I'm sure Moss, Harris, Lomax, Dandridge etc would love to be leading a cast of 3* and JUCO castoffs to CBI invites.

We shall see

We didn't go anywhere with them. Time to try it out without them.

We'll see how much worse we will really be record wise. You might be disappointed when it's not 11-19

Tubby is a HOF coach?

Larry Brown took over an SMU program that had SUCKED for years. 1st year cleaned house; signed some good kids and took his beatings.

Year 2 they were in and out of the Top 25 most of the year and pretty much got jobbed by not getting an NCAA bid.

Year 3 - won the AAC and were Top 20 all year long.

Memphis is a MUCH easier place to win than SMU.

so, Year two of the Tubby regime should bring an increase in wins.

I expect nothing less than 22-24 wins and a deep NIT run at a minimum.

If that basketball quagmire SMU can be turned around in two years surely a HOF coach like Tubby can turn Memphis around in two years as well?

20+ wins and I would be ecstatic. IMO it might be year 3 before we win 20+

However I'm hoping to see improvement throughout the year and no collapse end of season. The team will also have mostly players Tubby recruited in year 2. Maybe they will play hard throughout the year and not take games off. Regardless it'll be interesting.

I think Tubby's failure to reach the post season, the epic late season collapse, the ramifications of the Lawson drama, and sub-par (by Tiger standards) 2017 and 2018 (to-date) recruiting classes are causing some good Tiger fans to lower expectations for Tubby. In other words, they set the bar lower and then call clearing the bar a success.

I dunno. I haven't noticed anyone doing that. Some are lowering the forecast. But I haven't seen any lowering the bar. I have not.

(04-05-2017 12:09 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:02 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:01 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:00 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  except if you let him go now. Nobody wants to come here because you're the school known for firing a HOF coach less than a year into his tenure. Larry Porter is one thing... Tubby Smith is entirely different.

BS Forbes would take this job tomorrow

BOOM!

I wanted them to hire Forbes when Pastner left. However, you can't fire a guy that has been here 1 year and won 19 games. Plus the guy is a hall of famer and has won a title. I agree this situation sucks but we'd be the laughingstock of college sports. Especially coming off the JP contract debacle and the comments that former players have made about the program after they left i.e. "Memphis did things on the cheap"

The Houston cougars fired their previous football head coach after one year for under achieving with a 8-4 record when they realized that what he was doing on the field was not working or ever going to work with the talent they had . One year later with Tom Herman they were 13-1 and one game away from crashing the playoffs,,,, just saying

(04-09-2017 03:21 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:09 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:02 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:01 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:00 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  except if you let him go now. Nobody wants to come here because you're the school known for firing a HOF coach less than a year into his tenure. Larry Porter is one thing... Tubby Smith is entirely different.

BS Forbes would take this job tomorrow

BOOM!

I wanted them to hire Forbes when Pastner left. However, you can't fire a guy that has been here 1 year and won 19 games. Plus the guy is a hall of famer and has won a title. I agree this situation sucks but we'd be the laughingstock of college sports. Especially coming off the JP contract debacle and the comments that former players have made about the program after they left i.e. "Memphis did things on the cheap"

The Houston cougars fired their previous football head coach after one year for under achieving with a 8-4 record when they realized that what he was doing on the field was not working or ever going to work with the talent they had . One year later with Tom Herman they were 13-1 and one game away from crashing the playoffs,,,, just saying

He was actually there 3 years before getting canned.

(04-09-2017 04:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 03:21 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:09 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:02 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 12:01 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  BS Forbes would take this job tomorrow

BOOM!

I wanted them to hire Forbes when Pastner left. However, you can't fire a guy that has been here 1 year and won 19 games. Plus the guy is a hall of famer and has won a title. I agree this situation sucks but we'd be the laughingstock of college sports. Especially coming off the JP contract debacle and the comments that former players have made about the program after they left i.e. "Memphis did things on the cheap"

The Houston cougars fired their previous football head coach after one year for under achieving with a 8-4 record when they realized that what he was doing on the field was not working or ever going to work with the talent they had . One year later with Tom Herman they were 13-1 and one game away from crashing the playoffs,,,, just saying

He was actually there 3 years before getting canned.

Revisionist history makes for a fun story