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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 07:18 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: (04-04-2017 10:09 PM)moehler Wrote: this is the game changer we have been waiting for, we now have all the land we need, and with Gillin and company in charge, in 5 or 6 years we are going to have some of the best overall athletic facilities of any G5 schools in the country. Things are really coming togeather nicely.
If DG is at App in 5-6 years I'll be very pleasantly surprised, has to be a top ten G5 AD.
Agree that it will be hard to hang onto him for more than 5 years, but he has put us in such a great position in just two years that we will benefit from his leadership for many years. I just hope we get at least two or three more years with this group to get all of these plans completed. I hear there is more good news on the way too!
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 07:18 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: (04-04-2017 10:09 PM)moehler Wrote: this is the game changer we have been waiting for, we now have all the land we need, and with Gillin and company in charge, in 5 or 6 years we are going to have some of the best overall athletic facilities of any G5 schools in the country. Things are really coming togeather nicely.
If DG is at App in 5-6 years I'll be very pleasantly surprised, has to be a top ten G5 AD.
What exactly has he done? Not trying to troll, just asking an honest question.
The article does not even explicitly say the land will be used for athletics. Was he even involved in the purchase or was it the App chancellor?
I could easily see him becoming a villain down the road like Charlie Cobb (who BTW also presided over a pretty big, game-changing property acquisition at his new job).
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 07:53 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: (04-05-2017 07:18 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: (04-04-2017 10:09 PM)moehler Wrote: this is the game changer we have been waiting for, we now have all the land we need, and with Gillin and company in charge, in 5 or 6 years we are going to have some of the best overall athletic facilities of any G5 schools in the country. Things are really coming togeather nicely.
If DG is at App in 5-6 years I'll be very pleasantly surprised, has to be a top ten G5 AD.
What exactly has he done? Not trying to troll, just asking an honest question.
The article does not even explicitly say the land will be used for athletics. Was he even involved in the purchase or was it the App chancellor?
I could easily see him becoming a villain down the road like Charlie Cobb (who BTW also presided over a pretty big, game-changing property acquisition at his new job).
If I wanted to troll I'd just through our home opponents at you
Besides the incredible scheduling, he's gotten the ball rolling on a number of things we have needed/wanted for quite some time. New video board at The Rock, a video board in the Holmes Center, BLACK ENDZONES, etc.
Those who have been following the WHS debacle for some time know that it will indeed be used for athletics. The conversion of this facility pave the way for the removal of the track, relocation and expansion of the softball facility and subsequent expansion of the Sofield Indoor Facility, as others have already posted. Word going around is that a full service hotel will be a part of the facility. This will allow visiting teams to stay less than 2 miles from The Rock instead of in Banner Elk (You're welcome, Hud)
If Satt is the man who coached and evolved the football team into a G5 contender then DG is the man who is evolving our facilities (for all athletics) into those of a G5 contender.
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
Good news for App. I'm happy when condemned mays ate doing good things, we'll most of them.
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 08:06 AM)HighCountry Wrote: If I wanted to troll I'd just through our home opponents at you
Besides the incredible scheduling, he's gotten the ball rolling on a number of things we have needed/wanted for quite some time. New video board at The Rock, a video board in the Holmes Center, BLACK ENDZONES, etc.
Those who have been following the WHS debacle for some time know that it will indeed be used for athletics. The conversion of this facility pave the way for the removal of the track, relocation and expansion of the softball facility and subsequent expansion of the Sofield Indoor Facility, as others have already posted. Word going around is that a full service hotel will be a part of the facility. This will allow visiting teams to stay less than 2 miles from The Rock instead of in Banner Elk (You're welcome, Hud)
If Satt is the man who coached and evolved the football team into a G5 contender then DG is the man who is evolving our facilities (for all athletics) into those of a G5 contender.
It's incredible scheduling compared to ours for sure, but not when compared to the rest of the Sun Belt. Ark State is hosting Miami this year and had Mizzou at home two years ago, South is hosting Oklahoma State and hosted Miss State a couple of years ago.
IMO, the two most important jobs of the AD are:
1) Fund raise
2) Make smart hires
I don't know how much the new video boards cost but I'm going to guess it's not as much as the facility additions and improvements under Charlie Cobb. And is athletics even paying for this land? As for the second one, it looks like his first major sport hire is Kermit Smith, so we'll see how that goes.
No offense to Gillin, but if there's a vacancy at the GS AD position and I could choose a Sun Belt AD to fill it, I'd pick him at the highest third behind Terry Mohajir and Charlie Cobb.
Again, not trying to start another GS-App smack war. Just thought it was curious that a fan base that wanted Cobb gone are gushing over a guy who hasn't accomplished as much as Cobb did.
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 09:16 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: (04-05-2017 08:06 AM)HighCountry Wrote: If I wanted to troll I'd just through our home opponents at you
Besides the incredible scheduling, he's gotten the ball rolling on a number of things we have needed/wanted for quite some time. New video board at The Rock, a video board in the Holmes Center, BLACK ENDZONES, etc.
Those who have been following the WHS debacle for some time know that it will indeed be used for athletics. The conversion of this facility pave the way for the removal of the track, relocation and expansion of the softball facility and subsequent expansion of the Sofield Indoor Facility, as others have already posted. Word going around is that a full service hotel will be a part of the facility. This will allow visiting teams to stay less than 2 miles from The Rock instead of in Banner Elk (You're welcome, Hud)
If Satt is the man who coached and evolved the football team into a G5 contender then DG is the man who is evolving our facilities (for all athletics) into those of a G5 contender.
It's incredible scheduling compared to ours for sure, but not when compared to the rest of the Sun Belt. Ark State is hosting Miami this year and had Mizzou at home two years ago, South is hosting Oklahoma State and hosted Miss State a couple of years ago.
IMO, the two most important jobs of the AD are:
1) Fund raise
2) Make smart hires
I don't know how much the new video boards cost but I'm going to guess it's not as much as the facility additions and improvements under Charlie Cobb. And is athletics even paying for this land? As for the second one, it looks like his first major sport hire is Kermit Smith, so we'll see how that goes.
No offense to Gillin, but if there's a vacancy at the GS AD position and I could choose a Sun Belt AD to fill it, I'd pick him at the highest third behind Terry Mohajir and Charlie Cobb.
Again, not trying to start another GS-App smack war. Just thought it was curious that a fan base that wanted Cobb gone are gushing over a guy who hasn't accomplished as much as Cobb did.
That's a fair point. I will say that I think a lot of the admiration has to do with how he's really hit the ground running, especially compared to the stagnation of Cobb's last few seasons.
He hasn't done as much as Cobb, but when the dust settles my money is on DG having a bigger impact. Again, he's only been here two years.
In regards to fund raising, we have had two separate capital campaigns launched in Doug's time. One for the scoreboards and a $60M campaign for athletics as a whole titled "Mountaineer Impact." It recently received a $1M donation from a single anonymous donor.
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 08:51 AM)SBEagle Wrote: Good news for App. I'm happy when condemned mays ate doing good things, we'll most of them.
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Ummm... what?
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 11:49 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote: (04-05-2017 08:51 AM)SBEagle Wrote: Good news for App. I'm happy when condemned mays ate doing good things, we'll most of them.
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Ummm... what?
It's hard to talk with a mouth full of gnats.
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
Cobb did great things at App and will do good things at GA St. In both circumstances he followed two of the most incompetent ADs I've seen. App and now GA St were starved for any type of leadership and was easy to make a few common sense decisions to progress.
DG is a businessman first, college administrator second. I'd put his negotiating skills up against anyone's based on the results so far.
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 12:38 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: Cobb did great things at App and will do good things at GA St. In both circumstances he followed two of the most incompetent ADs I've seen. App and now GA St were starved for any type of leadership and was easy to make a few common sense decisions to progress.
DG is a businessman first, college administrator second. I'd put his negotiating skills up against anyone's based on the results so far.
Agree. Hard to match them up against each other right now. In time we will tell who had the greater impact.
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Awesome that this finally is happening! I am ecstatic!
DGillen has done a fantastic job, and I'm forever grateful for him, but if he wants Sainthood in my church he has to fix our basketball program(s).
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(04-05-2017 01:32 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote: Awesome that this finally is happening! I am ecstatic!
DGillen has done a fantastic job, and I'm forever grateful for him, but if he wants Sainthood in my church he has to fix our basketball program(s).
I know women weren't great this year, but they're in a million times better position than our men's. I wouldn't say they're broken, just got hit with an insane amount of misfortune this year. Two starters and one rotation player all had season ending injuries before the season started. Angel is an excellent coach.
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 07:53 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: (04-05-2017 07:18 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: (04-04-2017 10:09 PM)moehler Wrote: this is the game changer we have been waiting for, we now have all the land we need, and with Gillin and company in charge, in 5 or 6 years we are going to have some of the best overall athletic facilities of any G5 schools in the country. Things are really coming togeather nicely.
If DG is at App in 5-6 years I'll be very pleasantly surprised, has to be a top ten G5 AD.
What exactly has he done? Not trying to troll, just asking an honest question.
The article does not even explicitly say the land will be used for athletics. Was he even involved in the purchase or was it the App chancellor?
I could easily see him becoming a villain down the road like Charlie Cobb (who BTW also presided over a pretty big, game-changing property acquisition at his new job).
Gillin was more than involved, he was the driving force behind it. Many in Boone thought it was a dead issue 6 months ago. DG brought it back to life. THE key ingredient, which most are overlooking, is the full service hotel & convention center. Forget the athletic facilities, there were contingency plans to move the track and softball stadium to other sites on campus. This hotel is a huge deal. There are things at work that can not be openly discussed which made this a must have in Boone.
I've never understood the paise for Cobb. It's simply not justified. I see it every day in the business world. People get credit for things they had very little to do with. On the surface it might seem one way, when the reality is totally opposite. He & Beasley had VERY little to do with the facility enhancements. The amount of corporate money coming in was almost non existent. Other than the track, which was funded by the Irwin Belk Foundation that has built college and high school track facilities all over NC, there isn't an athletic facility on campus financed by someone who doesn't have a connection to App. The Michigan win and 3 NC's (mostly due to a skinny little kid from Greenwood, SC) are what fueled those. If anything Cobb screwed the plans up by basically not having a plan in place. It was totally reactive and not at all proactive. He spent twice for facilities that in a lot of ways are inferior to what we should of had. The one thing he definitely accomplished is saddling App with a ton of debt and bad financial situation. At the last Athletic Council meeting Gillin announced the department is finally operating in the green. That hasn't happened since the day Cobb walked on to campus.
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 11:49 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote: (04-05-2017 08:51 AM)SBEagle Wrote: Good news for App. I'm happy when condemned mays ate doing good things, we'll most of them.
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Ummm... what?
Sorry, just saw my error. Been dealing with tornadoes. What it should have read: "Good news for App. I'm happy when conference mates are doing good things" Dang auto correct.
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
Cobb was responsible for the Jason Capel hire. That was a real career limiting move IMO.
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(04-05-2017 06:21 PM)AppState87 Wrote: Cobb was responsible for the Jason Capel hire. That was a real career limiting move IMO.
Billy Jones, Darcie Vincent, ect, ect....
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
(04-05-2017 03:35 PM)AppManDG Wrote: (04-05-2017 07:53 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: (04-05-2017 07:18 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: (04-04-2017 10:09 PM)moehler Wrote: this is the game changer we have been waiting for, we now have all the land we need, and with Gillin and company in charge, in 5 or 6 years we are going to have some of the best overall athletic facilities of any G5 schools in the country. Things are really coming togeather nicely.
If DG is at App in 5-6 years I'll be very pleasantly surprised, has to be a top ten G5 AD.
What exactly has he done? Not trying to troll, just asking an honest question.
The article does not even explicitly say the land will be used for athletics. Was he even involved in the purchase or was it the App chancellor?
I could easily see him becoming a villain down the road like Charlie Cobb (who BTW also presided over a pretty big, game-changing property acquisition at his new job).
Gillin was more than involved, he was the driving force behind it. Many in Boone thought it was a dead issue 6 months ago. DG brought it back to life. THE key ingredient, which most are overlooking, is the full service hotel & convention center. Forget the athletic facilities, there were contingency plans to move the track and softball stadium to other sites on campus. This hotel is a huge deal. There are things at work that can not be openly discussed which made this a must have in Boone.
I've never understood the paise for Cobb. It's simply not justified. I see it every day in the business world. People get credit for things they had very little to do with. On the surface it might seem one way, when the reality is totally opposite. He & Beasley had VERY little to do with the facility enhancements. The amount of corporate money coming in was almost non existent. Other than the track, which was funded by the Irwin Belk Foundation that has built college and high school track facilities all over NC, there isn't an athletic facility on campus financed by someone who doesn't have a connection to App. The Michigan win and 3 NC's (mostly due to a skinny little kid from Greenwood, SC) are what fueled those. If anything Cobb screwed the plans up by basically not having a plan in place. It was totally reactive and not at all proactive. He spent twice for facilities that in a lot of ways are inferior to what we should of had. The one thing he definitely accomplished is saddling App with a ton of debt and bad financial situation. At the last Athletic Council meeting Gillin announced the department is finally operating in the green. That hasn't happened since the day Cobb walked on to campus.
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What exactly is the hotel and convention center good for? I know it could be useful in positioning for higher profile football games (i.e. Miami having to drive up to Boone the morning of the game) but what else?
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
A full service hotel can better attract visiting teams (and conference tournaments) with room service, in-house restaurant (and bar), banquet rooms, 24-hour security, valet service, shuttle service, etc. It's not for the traveler who just needs a semi-comfortable bed for the night. It's more upscale.
Boone doesn't have one right now. Currently, if teams want to stay at a full service hotel for a game at App, they either have to go to the Best Western in Banner Elk or stop in Hickory.
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RE: App State Buys Old Watauga HS Property
I heard last year, one of Miami's biggest complaints was a hotel that had a big enough banquet room which could seat the entire team, I'm sure that if they build a hotel, that would be a top priority. But back to ericsaid question, would there be enough revenue generated year round, not just football season, to justify a new hotel, no matter how upscale.
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