(04-18-2017 11:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  MVC??? You must get your delusions from you know who (NDSU "fan", bodies of water).

Neither the MVC or Horizon want travel to the Dakotas. End of story. Deal with it


Regardless, NDSU isn't going anywhere without SDSU, and vice versa. That's a set in stone fact and no matter what you say, you're wrong.

SDSU is only set in stone with USD. You haven't ever gone to NDSU or lived in ND, right, but yet your a self proclaimed expert on it like everything else. Lakesbison is an actual moderator here.

Fargo is not more distant than Wichita was for most MVC schools. If the MVC goes to 12, it's possible NDSU gets in. That's all I'm saying but you are in complete denial.

NDSU and SDSU are set in stone. You know nothing.


I am Minnesota born, bred, and raised. Went to NDSU for undergrad, because that was the right choice at that time. Otherwise, why would I care about some school in the Dakotas??? Hello, anybody home?

(04-18-2017 11:32 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  NDSU and SDSU are set in stone. You know nothing.


I am Minnesota born, bred, and raised. Went to NDSU for undergrad, because that was the right choice at that time. Otherwise, why would I care about some school in the Dakotas??? Hello, anybody home?

You can at least acknowledge NDSU's ambitions then, but you refuse. Why would they tie themselves down with SDSU? When they went DI, it was a temporary marriage of convenience, nothing more.

You haven't displayed the least bit of knowledge about NDSU's or ND current news. I keep up, even living in TN.

You two are "set in stone" against each other.

And enough is enough!

When North Dakota squares off against North Dakota State for Basketball in 2018-19 season that is going to be awesome. This has to happen.

https://youtu.be/ahZpWmgPPqg

(04-18-2017 11:40 AM)NoDak Wrote:  You can at least acknowledge NDSU's ambitions then, but you refuse. Why would they tie themselves down with SDSU?

Sure, as a UND fan I can understand that you can't grasp the concrete partnership that NDSU and SDSU forged on the move up.

Best leave it to NDSU and SDSU fans, then.

Todd Golden (some beat writer) is tweeting he's hearing a lot more of Milwaukee in conjunction with MVC.

If Murray/Valpo/Milwaukee happens, Horizon is down to 8:
Oakland
Detroit Mercy
Youngstown State
Cleveland State
Wright State
Northern Kentucky
Illinois-Chicago
Green Bay

Can't see Denver/Omaha leaving their arrangement in the Summit.

Horizon probably targets (ultimately adding 2):
- Robert Morris
- Morehead State
- Fort Wayne
- IUPUI
- UMKC

Common sense dictates Horizon won't consider SEMO/SIUE/WIU/EIU.

(04-21-2017 09:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Todd Golden (some beat writer) is tweeting he's hearing a lot more of Milwaukee in conjunction with MVC.

If Murray/Valpo/Milwaukee happens, Horizon is down to 8:
Oakland
Detroit Mercy
Youngstown State
Cleveland State
Wright State
Northern Kentucky
Illinois-Chicago
Green Bay

Can't see Denver/Omaha leaving their arrangement in the Summit.

Horizon probably targets (ultimately adding 2):
- Robert Morris
- Morehead State
- Fort Wayne
- IUPUI
- UMKC

Common sense dictates Horizon won't consider SEMO/SIUE/WIU/EIU.

If Milwaukee is gone to the MVC, is Green Bay in play for the Summit?

Would think the Horizon takes surely takes Robert Morris and maybe Morehead St. That would leave UWGB almost an island.

will one of you please say "you betcha" or "don't you know" ?

(04-21-2017 09:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Todd Golden (some beat writer) is tweeting he's hearing a lot more of Milwaukee in conjunction with MVC.

If Murray/Valpo/Milwaukee happens, Horizon is down to 8:
Oakland
Detroit Mercy
Youngstown State
Cleveland State
Wright State
Northern Kentucky
Illinois-Chicago
Green Bay

Can't see Denver/Omaha leaving their arrangement in the Summit.

Horizon probably targets (ultimately adding 2):
- Robert Morris
- Morehead State
- Fort Wayne
- IUPUI
- UMKC

Common sense dictates Horizon won't consider SEMO/SIUE/WIU/EIU.

As a point of curiosity, which of those five play baseball?

If the Horizon loses both Valpo and Milwaukee, it will be down to 5 in baseball, and as a non-FB Div I conference it needs three men's team sports to qualify as a multi-sports conference. Soccer would be safe, so among two picks they would also need one baseball team.

(NB. whether or not affiliate membership can be used for that ~ I haven't looked up the Div I Manual just now, and was not sorting that out when I was ~ it's a shaky ground to build your Div I multi-sports conference status on ~ using affiliates to get to autobid status for a subsidy sport played by some of your members is fine ... after all, all you lose if you can't hold the affiliate is the autobid to that one sport ... but using it to ensure your NCAA Tourney autobid is risky.)

Yes you can use an affiliate. Multiple leagues do that to get a 3rd men's sport.

Horizon goes Indainoplious & Ft Wayne
protects there conf tourn, minamize TV hit, tighter fit for travell.

Horizon also talked about 12 if beneficial
Robert Morris & Eastern ILL widens footprint

if Summit can't get No Colo & UMKC
they might have to look in Tex

(04-21-2017 09:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Todd Golden (some beat writer) is tweeting he's hearing a lot more of Milwaukee in conjunction with MVC.

If Murray/Valpo/Milwaukee happens, Horizon is down to 8:
Oakland
Detroit Mercy
Youngstown State
Cleveland State
Wright State
Northern Kentucky
Illinois-Chicago
Green Bay

Can't see Denver/Omaha leaving their arrangement in the Summit.

Horizon probably targets (ultimately adding 2):
- Robert Morris
- Morehead State
- Fort Wayne
- IUPUI
- UMKC

Common sense dictates Horizon won't consider SEMO/SIUE/WIU/EIU.

Robert Morris doesn't have baseball
IUPUI doesn't have baseball
UMKC doesn't have baseball

Fort Wayne and Morehead St do

Omaha has Baseball, and supposedly on the Horizon target list. Others I have not found mentioned anywhere else but this forum or a fan blog.

I don't buy the MVC interest in Milwaukee that Todd Aaron Gordon (Terre Haute, TribStar ... Indiana State beat writer) as more than a name mentioned on the "markets" front. Supposedly expansion will be a Basketball move, about improving RPI. The 5 year average for Milwaukee is 224 RPI, last year was 256 (have been as bad as 306). Have not cracked 100 in a long long time. This would look like another LUC add. I just don't see it.

By comparison Valpo has a 5 year RPI of 84, cracked the top 100 4 times, last three years 74, 49, 50; they had one down year in 2013-14 which if I throw out they would have an RPI of 66 for 5 of the last 6 years. Murray State is 144 RPI, but that is due to last year being a down year, their prior 5 years average 103 RPI, twice cracked the top 100, reaching 23 once.

I'll wait for more than one beat writer to say Milwaukee is a target before I believe it. (Another public school, so they have regents meetings; and there is nothing here https://www.wisconsin.edu/regents/meetings/ ... I went through agendas, nada on Athletics for last half year)

(04-22-2017 01:28 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Omaha has Baseball, and supposedly on the Horizon target list. Others I have not found mentioned anywhere else but this forum or a fan blog.

I don't buy the MVC interest in Milwaukee that Todd Aaron Gordon (Terre Haute, TribStar ... Indiana State beat writer) as more than a name mentioned on the "markets" front. Supposedly expansion will be a Basketball move, about improving RPI. The 5 year average for Milwaukee is 224 RPI, last year was 256 (have been as bad as 306). Have not cracked 100 in a long long time. This would look like another LUC add. I just don't see it.

If they leave Milwaukee be and just take Valpo, that settle the sports sponsorship concerns as an issue with who they pick to replace (if they do). Also allows them to stay at 9 (though some argue that these conferences are looking to bigger conferences to allow more assured home games per year, which is the most plausible reason I can find for targeting 11 or more as a number, as opposed to specific schools which make sense if they want to join).

According to the Wikipedia machine, Valpo runs every Horizon League sponsored sport, but none of the Horizon League sports are at 6, and it's only baseball and men's swimming, indoor track and outdoor track at 7.

(04-22-2017 12:52 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Todd Golden (some beat writer) is tweeting he's hearing a lot more of Milwaukee in conjunction with MVC.

If Murray/Valpo/Milwaukee happens, Horizon is down to 8:
Oakland
Detroit Mercy
Youngstown State
Cleveland State
Wright State
Northern Kentucky
Illinois-Chicago
Green Bay

Can't see Denver/Omaha leaving their arrangement in the Summit.

Horizon probably targets (ultimately adding 2):
- Robert Morris
- Morehead State
- Fort Wayne
- IUPUI
- UMKC

Common sense dictates Horizon won't consider SEMO/SIUE/WIU/EIU.

Robert Morris doesn't have baseball
IUPUI doesn't have baseball
UMKC doesn't have baseball

Fort Wayne and Morehead St do

Firstly, I don't think Milwaukee's going anywhere, so the baseball just goes to six. Since the HL would now be at 9 MBB schools, you go with Fort Wayne, Morehead State and possibly Robert Morris, to bring the MBB to 12. Although RMU has no baseball, the other two schools brought in raises it to 8 baseball playing schools.

For the geographically challenged posters in this thread (*cough*Stugray*cough*), here is the current Horizon map:



Fort Wayne: smack dab in the middle of the footprint
Indy: smack dab in the middle of the footprint
Morehead KY (northeastern part of state): small extension of the footprint -- about 95mi to NKU
Robert Morris (Pittsburgh): small extension of the footprint -- about 59mi to YSU


Omaha/KC/Denver: massive extension of the footprint. Not DOA ... it was never alive. So just stop

I know a little about the Morehead State Eagles.They are BROKE.I do not seeing them as able to afford travel in the Horizon.Also (from NKU) it is a 190 mile round trip on a two lane road or 284 mile round trip by interstate.VERY doubtful.

You're joking, right? It's a 2 hour drive from Morehead St to NKU. That's very easily doable as a bus trip.

Doubt that the travel bills for Morehead would be much different in the Horizon than the OVC. Not meaningfully, anyway.