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RE: The Next Realignment Effect on the Horizon League
(04-04-2017 01:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay, does Bellarmine makes sense for Horizon League? They are located in Louisville, Kentucky, and are spending money for upgrading their facilities and adding sports.

You've finally listed a good choice. The problem is Bellarmine is not nearly ready for the jump to D1. Their basketball gym seats 2,196. They'd have to come more correct than that. But Louisville would be a nice new market for the Horizon.
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RE: The Next Realignment Effect on the Horizon League
(04-04-2017 01:53 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay, does Bellarmine makes sense for Horizon League? They are located in Louisville, Kentucky, and are spending money for upgrading their facilities and adding sports.

You've finally listed a good choice. The problem is Bellarmine is not nearly ready for the jump to D1. Their basketball gym seats a bit above 1,000. They'd have to come more correct than that. But Louisville would be a nice new market for the Horizon.


I think that is one of their major projects in the future along with a possible football field when they decide to start football. They are already playing D1 men's LAX. It is also hinting that they would make a move to D1 for them to add women's LAX.
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RE: The Next Realignment Effect on the Horizon League
(04-04-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:53 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay, does Bellarmine makes sense for Horizon League? They are located in Louisville, Kentucky, and are spending money for upgrading their facilities and adding sports.

You've finally listed a good choice. The problem is Bellarmine is not nearly ready for the jump to D1. Their basketball gym seats a bit above 1,000. They'd have to come more correct than that. But Louisville would be a nice new market for the Horizon.


I think that is one of their major projects in the future along with a possible football field when they decide to start football. They are already playing D1 men's LAX. It is also hinting that they would make a move to D1 for them to add women's LAX.

The NCAA is no longer allowing D2 programs to move a single sport up to the Division I level for competition.
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RE: The Next Realignment Effect on the Horizon League
(04-04-2017 01:59 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:53 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay, does Bellarmine makes sense for Horizon League? They are located in Louisville, Kentucky, and are spending money for upgrading their facilities and adding sports.

You've finally listed a good choice. The problem is Bellarmine is not nearly ready for the jump to D1. Their basketball gym seats a bit above 1,000. They'd have to come more correct than that. But Louisville would be a nice new market for the Horizon.


I think that is one of their major projects in the future along with a possible football field when they decide to start football. They are already playing D1 men's LAX. It is also hinting that they would make a move to D1 for them to add women's LAX.

The NCAA is no longer allowing D2 programs to move a single sport up to the Division I level for competition.


That is why Bellarmine said that they would have to move up as a whole. Just need to find a home conference who would invite them.
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RE: The Next Realignment Effect on the Horizon League
Interesting. I don't think they can win in a membership fight with MVC. But talking strictly olympics here, UNO, Denver, Fort Wayne, UMKC and Little Rock to the Horizon could be a smart move. Detroit, Valpo, and UIC to the Valley allows both conferences to redefine themselves.
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(04-04-2017 01:41 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:35 PM)ken d Wrote:  Why does any one bid league want to get bigger? All that does is reduce each team's share of the tournament money, and probably increase travel issues a little.

The only reason they shouldn't all be at 8 is that then some of them would have to be no-bid leagues, since the major conferences aren't going to allow more than 32 autobids.

Obviously they figure if they get the "best" of the other "one bid" league, then possibly that'll add another bid to the expanding league. If the rpi and SOS are good, it just might work.

But if the "best" of the other league has an RPI over 100, just like yours does, that's never going to get you a second bid. One of yours is going to get left out, while a team from the conference you just raided will send its RPI #150 team to the dance instead. That is true for about 20 of the 32 existing conferences every year, and more than 20 some years.
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RE: The Next Realignment Effect on the Horizon League
(04-04-2017 02:35 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:41 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:35 PM)ken d Wrote:  Why does any one bid league want to get bigger? All that does is reduce each team's share of the tournament money, and probably increase travel issues a little.

The only reason they shouldn't all be at 8 is that then some of them would have to be no-bid leagues, since the major conferences aren't going to allow more than 32 autobids.

Obviously they figure if they get the "best" of the other "one bid" league, then possibly that'll add another bid to the expanding league. If the rpi and SOS are good, it just might work.

But if the "best" of the other league has an RPI over 100, just like yours does, that's never going to get you a second bid. One of yours is going to get left out, while a team from the conference you just raided will send its RPI #150 team to the dance instead. That is true for about 20 of the 32 existing conferences every year, and more than 20 some years.


Why expand beyond 8? Guaranteed home games.

An 8 team league only guarantees you 7 home games, with 7 away games, and then you have to struggle to fill the remaining 14+ slots.

10 team league adds two home, two away, cutting your OOC needs to 10+

11 teams (with double round gets you another home and away guaranteed.
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RE: The Next Realignment Effect on the Horizon League
(04-04-2017 02:47 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 02:35 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:41 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 01:35 PM)ken d Wrote:  Why does any one bid league want to get bigger? All that does is reduce each team's share of the tournament money, and probably increase travel issues a little.

The only reason they shouldn't all be at 8 is that then some of them would have to be no-bid leagues, since the major conferences aren't going to allow more than 32 autobids.

Obviously they figure if they get the "best" of the other "one bid" league, then possibly that'll add another bid to the expanding league. If the rpi and SOS are good, it just might work.

But if the "best" of the other league has an RPI over 100, just like yours does, that's never going to get you a second bid. One of yours is going to get left out, while a team from the conference you just raided will send its RPI #150 team to the dance instead. That is true for about 20 of the 32 existing conferences every year, and more than 20 some years.


Why expand beyond 8? Guaranteed home games.

An 8 team league only guarantees you 7 home games, with 7 away games, and then you have to struggle to fill the remaining 14+ slots.

10 team league adds two home, two away, cutting your OOC needs to 10+

11 teams (with double round gets you another home and away guaranteed.

Travel partners as well for scheduling purposes as well.
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RE: The Next Realignment Effect on the Horizon League
Interesting. I don't think they can win in a membership fight with MVC. But talking strictly olympics here, UNO, Denver, Fort Wayne, UMKC and Little Rock to the Horizon could be a smart move. Detroit, Valpo, and UIC to the Valley allows both conferences to redefine themselves.
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RE: The Next Realignment Effect on the Horizon League
If the Horizon wants both Denver and Omaha, might they attempt a takeover of the NCHC? Oakland, Wright St, Milwaukee, and Green Bay are prime schools that could add the sport. Ill St has a downtown arena and it's been rumored to be adding it. Ill-Chi could re-add it.

If Denver/NMSU and Omaha/UND get added, that will effectively put hockey under a Horizon banner.
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