I wonder when the NCAA/P5 will have an official restructuring of the divisions?

The leftovers will have their own championship for football, the NIT/WNIT for basketball and some other cobbled together Junior baseball world series.

Football is done just not officially. Men's/women's basketball is under way and baseball has to be next.

Ace...

(04-04-2017 08:16 AM)Ace Barker Wrote:  I wonder when the NCAA/P5 will have an official restructuring of the divisions?

The leftovers will have their own championship for football, the NIT/WNIT for basketball and some other cobbled together Junior baseball world series.

Football is done just not officially. Men's/women's basketball is under way and baseball has to be next.

Ace...

Doubt it. Not enough money made on baseball.

(04-04-2017 08:16 AM)Ace Barker Wrote:  I wonder when the NCAA/P5 will have an official restructuring of the divisions?

The leftovers will have their own championship for football, the NIT/WNIT for basketball and some other cobbled together Junior baseball world series.

Football is done just not officially. Men's/women's basketball is under way and baseball has to be next.

Ace...

I wonder too. The NCAA has no role in the football playoff and makes no money from it. The P5 schools call all the shots. The NCAAs make nearly all of the money they use to operate from the NCAA basketball tournament. If they make any changes, I don't think it will be to shrink it. That being said, when Villanova and Gonzaga are in the championship game over the last two years, you would think that some of the basketball P5 schools are going to push for it. Although I love college baseball, there just isn't enough at stake for the NCAA/P5 to squabble over it.

Nova and Gonzaga are incredibly respected basketball schools. This isn't like FIU making a run for a few years.

Said it before, and I'll say it again: The P5 simply pulling out of the NCAA was too big a political/legal/tax implication powder keg. So they got us to agree to today's terms ("Better a small slice than none at all!") so we'll be the ones asking for a split within 10-15 years. We should've forced their hand & made them try to break away.

(04-04-2017 02:11 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  Said it before, and I'll say it again: The P5 simply pulling out of the NCAA was too big a political/legal/tax implication powder keg. So they got us to agree to today's terms ("Better a small slice than none at all!") so we'll be the ones asking for a split within 10-15 years. We should've forced their hand & made them try to break away.

Yep. The ones that win at poker aren't necessarily the ones with the strongest hand.

Football is the problem. Baseball & Basketball are fine.

Baseball has seen Coastal Carolina and Fresno State win recent titles. Rice has also won a Title as well as other small schools constantly make the CWS.

For basketball: There have been plenty of smaller schools make recent Final Fours: GW, Butler, Gonzaga, etc. Hell, most years there is 1 or 2 in the Elite 8.

Football is where you have the issue. There are only about 15 schools (out of 129) in the entire country that have a legitimate shot at winning a national title. The rest are just filler. A non-p5 school hasn't won the NC since BYU did in early 80s. No other non-power school has really even come close since then. The current model offers no hope for non-P5 schools. I consider us to be one of the historically better non-P5 schools in the country, yet the best bowl we've been to in my lifetime is the Liberty Bowl. Honestly, there probably should be a split for football. We, and other smaller schools, would benefit from competing against schools on an equal level.

My thought is the P5 is hungry for more. They have football and in my opinion will grab basketball and the money that goes along with it. Baseball will just be a cherry.

I don't know for sure but did many of the G5 basketball teams get in other than the conference champion?

Ace...

If you missed what happened yesterday at the University of Buffalo you should all google it because its going to be a normal way of life for most small conference schools over the next couple of years. Here is a brief snipit...
"The university paid a price for competing at the top level of college athletics by concluding it had to eliminate four sports teams - men's soccer, baseball, men's swimming and diving and women's rowing.
The cuts, effective at the end of this school year, represent a belt-tightening that ultimately will save $2 million a year in athletic department spending, UB said. The cuts bring UB's sports teams from 20 down to 16, the minimum number required to compete at the NCAA's top level of Division I athletics, known as the Football Bowl Subdivision. Three other MAC schools - Ohio, Toledo and Western Michigan - were at 16 teams this year.
"It's a sad day," said UB Athletics Director Allen Greene, "to share with our student-athletes that we just don't have the ability on a long-term basis to support their endeavors in a way that's both beneficial and rewarding to them and for us to produce championships the way we want to."
UB's athletic department budget for the 2015-16 school year was $31.9 million, which ranked third in the 12-team MAC, according to federal budget documents. The MAC average athletics budget was $29.4 million."

I don't see it. The widening of the gap in football has been driven by T-shirt fans. There are only 3 or 4 schools that really have T-shirt *basketball* fans (UNC, Duke, maybe Kansas?), and 0 schools that have T-shirt baseball fans.

(04-04-2017 04:12 PM)Nuggets Ghostbuster Wrote:  If you missed what happened yesterday at the University of Buffalo you should all google it because its going to be a normal way of life for most small conference schools over the next couple of years. Here is a brief snipit...
"The university paid a price for competing at the top level of college athletics by concluding it had to eliminate four sports teams - men's soccer, baseball, men's swimming and diving and women's rowing.
The cuts, effective at the end of this school year, represent a belt-tightening that ultimately will save $2 million a year in athletic department spending, UB said. The cuts bring UB's sports teams from 20 down to 16, the minimum number required to compete at the NCAA's top level of Division I athletics, known as the Football Bowl Subdivision. Three other MAC schools - Ohio, Toledo and Western Michigan - were at 16 teams this year.
"It's a sad day," said UB Athletics Director Allen Greene, "to share with our student-athletes that we just don't have the ability on a long-term basis to support their endeavors in a way that's both beneficial and rewarding to them and for us to produce championships the way we want to."
UB's athletic department budget for the 2015-16 school year was $31.9 million, which ranked third in the 12-team MAC, according to federal budget documents. The MAC average athletics budget was $29.4 million."

titty IX rears her size A cupboard once again....

football will always drive the bus....

it's only a matter of time before we do the same....

tennis is safe with "Hood" money....

I'm sick of pondering.....

(04-04-2017 04:23 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I don't see it. The widening of the gap in football has been driven by T-shirt fans. There are only 3 or 4 schools that really have T-shirt *basketball* fans (UNC, Duke, maybe Kansas?), and 0 schools that have T-shirt baseball fans.

I hope you are right but oui all laughed at SUNWACUSA too.

Ace...

Tv money drives the ship. It's ridiculous that the cost of watching college football has risen to this level. You gotta have 14 billion channels and now the special conference networks. What happened to free tv via the airways? As prices keep rising watch as more jump ship. It will crash eventually and internet streaming will crash as well. Just getting to expensive to be a fan. Even in person it's way to much to pay for a family outing.

(04-04-2017 08:24 PM)99beers Wrote:  Tv money drives the ship. It's ridiculous that the cost of watching college football has risen to this level. You gotta have 14 billion channels and now the special conference networks. What happened to free tv via the airways? As prices keep rising watch as more jump ship. It will crash eventually and internet streaming will crash as well. Just getting to expensive to be a fan. Even in person it's way to much to pay for a family outing.

that pretty much explains why I watch zero unless it's cusa teams or home games.....

fk 'em....

(04-04-2017 04:23 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I don't see it. The widening of the gap in football has been driven by T-shirt fans. There are only 3 or 4 schools that really have T-shirt *basketball* fans (UNC, Duke, maybe Kansas?), and 0 schools that have T-shirt baseball fans.

Regardless of where the money comes from it's huge in basketball too. The facilities arm race will eventually need more fuel and the powers that be know that fuel can be found by cutting out everyone but cartel 5 from the basketball money.