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RE: 15 rule changes to make college basketball great again
(03-30-2017 05:05 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 02:09 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The last two minutes of the game drives me nuts. Takes forever because of all the "unintentional fouling".

I just don't understand why a team should gain by fouling. In the last two minutes........ change the rule so that the team fouled gets the free shots AND the ball out of bounds. Like a technical foul.

Stop all of the ridiculous fouling, to make the opposing team shoot free throws and hope they miss.

Adjustable hoops. Make them an inch or two larger in diameter when my guys have the ball, and an inch or two smaller when the opposing team is on offense. It could be our little secret. Nobody else needs to know.

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This could be an interesting rule strategy wise .

put a 2-point line 5 feet from the basket. every basket inside the line counts for 1 point and anything between the 2-point line and 3-point line counts for 2 points.
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Make college hoops better? End the One and Done. I don't even remember half the kids that play for Cuse anymore. They play one collegiate season, declare, go do the D League/NBA 13th man shuttle for 2 years and get replaced by the next First/Second Round Draft Choice.
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(04-01-2017 09:07 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Make college hoops better? End the One and Done. I don't even remember half the kids that play for Cuse anymore. They play one collegiate season, declare, go do the D League/NBA 13th man shuttle for 2 years and get replaced by the next First/Second Round Draft Choice.

You'd need to have the NBA change their eligibility rules then.
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(04-01-2017 09:42 AM)tribe_pride Wrote:  
(04-01-2017 09:07 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Make college hoops better? End the One and Done. I don't even remember half the kids that play for Cuse anymore. They play one collegiate season, declare, go do the D League/NBA 13th man shuttle for 2 years and get replaced by the next First/Second Round Draft Choice.

You'd need to have the NBA change their eligibility rules then.

Just require every incoming college player to sign a contract wherein he agrees to pay the school one-half of his first five years of professional earnings if he leaves the program before graduating. If the player elects to drop out of school early to pursue a professional career, then everybody gets a piece of the pie -- the pro team benefits from the player's talents, the player gets paid for his professional performance, and the school is reimbursed for its investment in helping to develop the player.
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I advocate going the baseball route: directly out of HS OR 2/3 years of college.
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(04-01-2017 09:07 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Make college hoops better? End the One and Done. I don't even remember half the kids that play for Cuse anymore. They play one collegiate season, declare, go do the D League/NBA 13th man shuttle for 2 years and get replaced by the next First/Second Round Draft Choice.

Agree that it would be better. Kentucky rotates out 8 or 9 players every year.

Just not sure how your would do it. Freshman ineligibility? Then they might go to the minor leagues, the D league or JC.
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(03-31-2017 03:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
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(03-31-2017 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I've been watching college hoops since the early 1970s, and it's just as great as it's ever been, no better or worse.

It's been remarkably consistent that way despite all kinds of changes over the years.

The only change I ever wanted was the introduction of a shot clock to kill the UNC "four corners" strategy, but in hindsight, that didn't make the game any better. I just "hated" UNC so feared the strategy.

In truth, as Dean Smith predicted, the shot clock would make the strong stronger - UNC has won 4 national titles since it was introduced and are on the verge of a fifth, they had only won one before then, and four corners games had a fascination all their own.

And even pre- shot clock, most games ended 70-65 just like they do now.

During those "four corners" years before the shot clock, UNC was averaging more than 80 points a game (for example in the '76-'77 season they averaged 83.6). That was an extremely efficient offense, usually resulting in a lay up due to spreading the floor and opening up the lane. I don't think anyone ever retroactively went back to view tape to see how many times UNC took a shot within 30 seconds while running the four corners, but I believe it was more often than not.

It wasn't just a stalling tactic.

The four corners "offense" certainly wasn't just a set play to generate layup opportunities...

http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2012/04/...e_3-p.html

Quote:On February 24, 1979, fourth-ranked North Carolina made its annual trip to Cameron Indoor Stadium to play sixth-ranked Duke. Tar Heels coach Dean Smith ran his famous Four Corners offense in an effort to force the Blue Devils out of their zone, but Duke wouldn’t budge. After the Blue Devils scored the game’s opening bucket, Carolina held the ball for 11 minutes. The score at halftime was 7-0 in Duke’s favor. The Blue Devils eventually won by those seven points, 47-40.

In 77 UNC had Phil Ford who was a great guard and free throw shooter. They lead Kentucky (who would win the NCAA the next year) in the elite 8 by something like 18 at halftime. Kentucky did not have great guards. Kentucky started hot, made the game close and UNC went into a stall with 15 minutes left. Kentucky ended up scoring every single time they had the ball in the 2nd half up until 3 minutes left. They missed a single shot that would have tied and never had another chance to tie. UNC hit some outrageous % of freethrows, something like 38 out of 39. That was when I was converted to a shot clock. A team could play nearly perfect and never have a chance with a slow start.
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RE: 15 rule changes to make college basketball great again
(04-01-2017 10:45 AM)colohank Wrote:  
(04-01-2017 09:42 AM)tribe_pride Wrote:  
(04-01-2017 09:07 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Make college hoops better? End the One and Done. I don't even remember half the kids that play for Cuse anymore. They play one collegiate season, declare, go do the D League/NBA 13th man shuttle for 2 years and get replaced by the next First/Second Round Draft Choice.

You'd need to have the NBA change their eligibility rules then.

Just require every incoming college player to sign a contract wherein he agrees to pay the school one-half of his first five years of professional earnings if he leaves the program before graduating. If the player elects to drop out of school early to pursue a professional career, then everybody gets a piece of the pie -- the pro team benefits from the player's talents, the player gets paid for his professional performance, and the school is reimbursed for its investment in helping to develop the player.

Under what basis would the school have claim to those earnings?
What kind of ******* would be stupid enough to sign it?
Should my daughter's friend who built an app company based on what he learned while enrolled at Arkansas State and sold that company and took a programming job in LA, dropping out of school early be required to repay the school part of his first five year's of earnings? My friend's son who dropped out in his junior year to start a software company and had a million in revenue in short order be required to repay the school as well?

Look I don't like one and done but schools acting like low life loan sharks or the mob offering protection is not the solution.

There is a fix.

NCAA members should deny access to film, scouting access, and contact with players to representatives from any professional league that bars players from being drafted or signed as free agents upon graduation from high school. Also subject to being barred if they require players to declare in order to be eligible to be drafted.

I don't care if the NFL never signs a kid straight from high school, they shouldn't be barred from doing it.

A college junior shouldn't have to tell a league I want to be drafted. The teams should be able to draft and if they don't offer the kid what they are interested in, tough luck.
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RE: 15 rule changes to make college basketball great again
(03-30-2017 02:09 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The last two minutes of the game drives me nuts. Takes forever because of all the "unintentional fouling".

I just don't understand why a team should gain by fouling. In the last two minutes........ change the rule so that the team fouled gets the free shots AND the ball out of bounds. Like a technical foul.

Stop all of the ridiculous fouling, to make the opposing team shoot free throws and hope they miss.

He could have saved everyone a lot of time had he just said, "I wish college basketball used the NBA's rules."

That's basically what he saying.

However, to that, I think that's a terrible suggestion. If I wanted to watch NBA basketball, I would watch the NBA. I have no interest in the NBA, in part because the rules are too skewed towards offense. It robs the game of its balance, which in turn makes it less interesting to me.
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