(03-30-2017 05:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 03:37 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 08:47 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Gross.

If I was a UNM alum/fan, I'd feel like I needed a shower.

If I were one, I'd be demanding an explanation on what levels of discrimination I'd personally face to watch my team play. Seriously, can I wear my rainbow colored shirt? Can my Trans friend use the restroom consistent with her gender identity? What hotels, hospitals, and restaurants can I go to without being humiliated or refused service simply because I'm visible?

There are practical considerations involved here.

Holy hell dude. Do you make the same crazy conspiracies with BYU and Baylor as you do with Liberty? You would have no problem wearing your rainbow shirt or even bringing your rainbow flag to campus and games. We had other team fans bring them already this year and guess what no issue! They actually had support with a few students and faculty. Considering Liberty has LGBT/trans alumni who attend games and alumni events and had no issue, I highly doubt you'll encounter one unless you're seeking attention and I get that vibe you are one of those people. Lastly, when you have 3 different colleges in Lynchburg, I doubt you'll find discrimination .

As for scheduling there is talk that Liberty has deals done with Air Force and West Point. An agreement with ODU in the future and are currently in talks with BYU.

Really, what are LU's bathroom policies? Pro-LGBT T-shirts? Rainbow flags? Seriously, just come out with a policy and let us all decide for ourselves. I'd love to see the pics of the visiting team fans with rainbow flags at your stadium. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/03/10/...rsity.html

Again, if there's no problem, then put out a policy. Otherwise, we will continue to argue that LGBT alumni, students, fans, staff, and faculty aren't welcome, might be not safe, attending away games at LU. Or might have to put up with outrageous restrictions to do so, such as humiliating restroom treatment, targeted bans on their clothing not applicable to straight persons, or enforced invisibility.

I don't get you and your crusade at all. If you need a special bathroom because your gender fluid, or want to date members of the same sex then great. However, Liberty might not be the school for you. Same with the faculty, this isn't some big secret. If you don't like the rules of a private university, don't go there. If you like to do more than hold hands, are lactose intolerant and love the taste of beer, well BYU might not be the best choice either.

(04-01-2017 10:49 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 05:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 03:37 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 08:47 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Gross.

If I was a UNM alum/fan, I'd feel like I needed a shower.

If I were one, I'd be demanding an explanation on what levels of discrimination I'd personally face to watch my team play. Seriously, can I wear my rainbow colored shirt? Can my Trans friend use the restroom consistent with her gender identity? What hotels, hospitals, and restaurants can I go to without being humiliated or refused service simply because I'm visible?

There are practical considerations involved here.

Holy hell dude. Do you make the same crazy conspiracies with BYU and Baylor as you do with Liberty? You would have no problem wearing your rainbow shirt or even bringing your rainbow flag to campus and games. We had other team fans bring them already this year and guess what no issue! They actually had support with a few students and faculty. Considering Liberty has LGBT/trans alumni who attend games and alumni events and had no issue, I highly doubt you'll encounter one unless you're seeking attention and I get that vibe you are one of those people. Lastly, when you have 3 different colleges in Lynchburg, I doubt you'll find discrimination .

As for scheduling there is talk that Liberty has deals done with Air Force and West Point. An agreement with ODU in the future and are currently in talks with BYU.

Really, what are LU's bathroom policies? Pro-LGBT T-shirts? Rainbow flags? Seriously, just come out with a policy and let us all decide for ourselves. I'd love to see the pics of the visiting team fans with rainbow flags at your stadium. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/03/10/...rsity.html

Again, if there's no problem, then put out a policy. Otherwise, we will continue to argue that LGBT alumni, students, fans, staff, and faculty aren't welcome, might be not safe, attending away games at LU. Or might have to put up with outrageous restrictions to do so, such as humiliating restroom treatment, targeted bans on their clothing not applicable to straight persons, or enforced invisibility.

I don't get you and your crusade at all. If you need a special bathroom because your gender fluid, or want to date members of the same sex then great. However, Liberty might not be the school for you. Same with the faculty, this isn't some big secret. If you don't like the rules of a private university, don't go there. If you like to do more than hold hands, are lactose intolerant and love the taste of beer, well BYU might not be the best choice either.

They need to get over their crusade. It's getting boring.

Liberty, Army, NM St, BYU, and UMass can all schedule each other in November a problem time for independents for scheduling when everyone else is playing conference games at least for three of these schools except Army and BYU. Get scheduling agreements with regional conferences for at least 3 or 4 games in October and September and the rest of their schedules should be fairly easy to fill out for the rest of the season with an FCS school on the schedule too.

(04-02-2017 02:23 AM)panite Wrote:  Liberty, Army, NM St, BYU, and UMass can all schedule each other in November a problem time for independents for scheduling when everyone else is playing conference games at least for three of these schools except Army and BYU. Get scheduling agreements with regional conferences for at least 3 or 4 games in October and September and the rest of their schedules should be fairly easy to fill out for the rest of the season with an FCS school on the schedule too.

If I'm a betting man, I'll wager your view is the reality that happens. Those who stated in the past the dire position any indy school will have in scheduling are likely coming from the same position of the near impossibility of LU, or any other school, receiving an indy bid. Who saw the indy bid coming? No one. The possibility exists that LU can build a schedule, with sufficient home and away games even late season games. Time will tell as this plays out.

(04-01-2017 10:49 AM)Shox Wrote:  I don't get you and your crusade at all. If you need a special bathroom because your gender fluid, or want to date members of the same sex then great. However, Liberty might not be the school for you. Same with the faculty, this isn't some big secret. If you don't like the rules of a private university, don't go there. If you like to do more than hold hands, are lactose intolerant and love the taste of beer, well BYU might not be the best choice either.

No ****. Talk is cheap. Be a slacktivist, fine, or go protest at LU live and in color or start an institution of higher learning to compete against them. Otherwise, just take that grudge from getting a rejection letter during senior year from LU somewhere elze.

(04-02-2017 02:11 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 10:49 AM)Shox Wrote:  I don't get you and your crusade at all. If you need a special bathroom because your gender fluid, or want to date members of the same sex then great. However, Liberty might not be the school for you. Same with the faculty, this isn't some big secret. If you don't like the rules of a private university, don't go there. If you like to do more than hold hands, are lactose intolerant and love the taste of beer, well BYU might not be the best choice either.

No ****. Talk is cheap. Be a slacktivist, fine, or go protest at LU live and in color or start an institution of higher learning to compete against them. Otherwise, just take that grudge from getting a rejection letter during senior year from LU somewhere elze.

Read the link....when Gay people protested...they were arrested...simply for carrying a rainbow flag on campus. Jews and Gays are barred from all employment at LU, including in the Athletic Department. I doubt Trans people can go the restroom there either.

So yea, if my school said...hey....Queers and Trans people aren't welcome to attend our away football games and we're endorsing direct and stated discrimination against you by scheduling LU....then I'd have a problem with that. I'm not the only one.

Yea, it is in our interest to ensure that all of the benefits of FBS membership are open to all. Evangelicals can and do contribute and participate at all FBS institutions. We think that LGBT people should be able to as well.

Sure, there are people that think its great to tell Gay people to hide or go away. But every school that schedules LU is endorsing and furthering them. And if they schedule them at LU, they're excluding them from participation in games as fans or students.

So you're good with your school saying..."Hey - fire all the Jews...no problem here...we will help them discriminate against you".

No one is discriminating against you...at ANY FBS school.

(04-02-2017 02:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 02:11 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 10:49 AM)Shox Wrote:  I don't get you and your crusade at all. If you need a special bathroom because your gender fluid, or want to date members of the same sex then great. However, Liberty might not be the school for you. Same with the faculty, this isn't some big secret. If you don't like the rules of a private university, don't go there. If you like to do more than hold hands, are lactose intolerant and love the taste of beer, well BYU might not be the best choice either.

No ****. Talk is cheap. Be a slacktivist, fine, or go protest at LU live and in color or start an institution of higher learning to compete against them. Otherwise, just take that grudge from getting a rejection letter during senior year from LU somewhere elze.

Read the link....when Gay people protested...they were arrested...simply for carrying a rainbow flag on campus. Jews and Gays are barred from all employment at LU, including in the Athletic Department. I doubt Trans people can go the restroom there either.

So yea, if my school said...hey....Queers and Trans people aren't welcome to attend our away football games and we're endorsing direct and stated discrimination against you by scheduling LU....then I'd have a problem with that. I'm not the only one.

Yea, it is in our interest to ensure that all of the benefits of FBS membership are open to all. Evangelicals can and do contribute and participate at all FBS institutions. We think that LGBT people should be able to as well.

Sure, there are people that think its great to tell Gay people to hide or go away. But every school that schedules LU is endorsing and furthering them. And if they schedule them at LU, they're excluding them from participation in games as fans or students.

So you're good with your school saying..."Hey - fire all the Jews...no problem here...we will help them discriminate against you".

No one is discriminating against you...at ANY FBS school.

Tom you posted a story from 2006. Sr. was the president and Liberty is nothing like it was from 2006. If you would EVER stepped foot on campus you would realize how secularized it actually is. The organization you are talking about Soulforce has been on campus since then and with no problem.

Quote:"Students called what we did "really important, even just to see that happen on Liberty's campus - even if they don't do anything."

http://wset.com/news/local/group-calls-f...-ix-attack

oh Liberty hires openly gay employee?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfun...freak-out/

Quote:“Director Linda Nell Cooper told Christian News Network that Alluvian/Liberty University was not aware of Goldberg’s beliefs about homosexuality, but stated that one’s “personal life” is not a factor in the hiring process.
“He was hired based on his professionalism and his talent like everyone else,” Cooper explained. “It never came up in the conversation, nor would it have. … We do not ask about their personal life.”
“We work under professional guidelines. No one knows anything about anyone’s personal lives,” she reiterated.”

now please Tom. Stop spreading your false BS.

(04-02-2017 02:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 02:11 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 10:49 AM)Shox Wrote:  I don't get you and your crusade at all. If you need a special bathroom because your gender fluid, or want to date members of the same sex then great. However, Liberty might not be the school for you. Same with the faculty, this isn't some big secret. If you don't like the rules of a private university, don't go there. If you like to do more than hold hands, are lactose intolerant and love the taste of beer, well BYU might not be the best choice either.

No ****. Talk is cheap. Be a slacktivist, fine, or go protest at LU live and in color or start an institution of higher learning to compete against them. Otherwise, just take that grudge from getting a rejection letter during senior year from LU somewhere elze.

Read the link....when Gay people protested...they were arrested...simply for carrying a rainbow flag on campus. Jews and Gays are barred from all employment at LU, including in the Athletic Department. I doubt Trans people can go the restroom there either.

So yea, if my school said...hey....Queers and Trans people aren't welcome to attend our away football games and we're endorsing direct and stated discrimination against you by scheduling LU....then I'd have a problem with that. I'm not the only one.

Yea, it is in our interest to ensure that all of the benefits of FBS membership are open to all. Evangelicals can and do contribute and participate at all FBS institutions. We think that LGBT people should be able to as well.

Sure, there are people that think its great to tell Gay people to hide or go away. But every school that schedules LU is endorsing and furthering them. And if they schedule them at LU, they're excluding them from participation in games as fans or students.

So you're good with your school saying..."Hey - fire all the Jews...no problem here...we will help them discriminate against you".

No one is discriminating against you...at ANY FBS school.

You do feel the same way about BYU right Tom? You would protest if your schools played BYU right?

(04-02-2017 02:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 02:11 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 10:49 AM)Shox Wrote:  I don't get you and your crusade at all. If you need a special bathroom because your gender fluid, or want to date members of the same sex then great. However, Liberty might not be the school for you. Same with the faculty, this isn't some big secret. If you don't like the rules of a private university, don't go there. If you like to do more than hold hands, are lactose intolerant and love the taste of beer, well BYU might not be the best choice either.

No ****. Talk is cheap. Be a slacktivist, fine, or go protest at LU live and in color or start an institution of higher learning to compete against them. Otherwise, just take that grudge from getting a rejection letter during senior year from LU somewhere elze.

Read the link....when Gay people protested...they were arrested...simply for carrying a rainbow flag on campus. Jews and Gays are barred from all employment at LU, including in the Athletic Department. I doubt Trans people can go the restroom there either.

So yea, if my school said...hey....Queers and Trans people aren't welcome to attend our away football games and we're endorsing direct and stated discrimination against you by scheduling LU....then I'd have a problem with that. I'm not the only one.

Yea, it is in our interest to ensure that all of the benefits of FBS membership are open to all. Evangelicals can and do contribute and participate at all FBS institutions. We think that LGBT people should be able to as well.

Sure, there are people that think its great to tell Gay people to hide or go away. But every school that schedules LU is endorsing and furthering them. And if they schedule them at LU, they're excluding them from participation in games as fans or students.

So you're good with your school saying..."Hey - fire all the Jews...no problem here...we will help them discriminate against you".

No one is discriminating against you...at ANY FBS school.

Zzzzz Zzzzzz Zzzzzzz. Zzzzzzzz.

(04-02-2017 08:26 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 02:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 02:11 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 10:49 AM)Shox Wrote:  I don't get you and your crusade at all. If you need a special bathroom because your gender fluid, or want to date members of the same sex then great. However, Liberty might not be the school for you. Same with the faculty, this isn't some big secret. If you don't like the rules of a private university, don't go there. If you like to do more than hold hands, are lactose intolerant and love the taste of beer, well BYU might not be the best choice either.

No ****. Talk is cheap. Be a slacktivist, fine, or go protest at LU live and in color or start an institution of higher learning to compete against them. Otherwise, just take that grudge from getting a rejection letter during senior year from LU somewhere elze.

Read the link....when Gay people protested...they were arrested...simply for carrying a rainbow flag on campus. Jews and Gays are barred from all employment at LU, including in the Athletic Department. I doubt Trans people can go the restroom there either.

So yea, if my school said...hey....Queers and Trans people aren't welcome to attend our away football games and we're endorsing direct and stated discrimination against you by scheduling LU....then I'd have a problem with that. I'm not the only one.

Yea, it is in our interest to ensure that all of the benefits of FBS membership are open to all. Evangelicals can and do contribute and participate at all FBS institutions. We think that LGBT people should be able to as well.

Sure, there are people that think its great to tell Gay people to hide or go away. But every school that schedules LU is endorsing and furthering them. And if they schedule them at LU, they're excluding them from participation in games as fans or students.

So you're good with your school saying..."Hey - fire all the Jews...no problem here...we will help them discriminate against you".

No one is discriminating against you...at ANY FBS school.

Tom you posted a story from 2006. Sr. was the president and Liberty is nothing like it was from 2006. If you would EVER stepped foot on campus you would realize how secularized it actually is. The organization you are talking about Soulforce has been on campus since then and with no problem.

Quote:"Students called what we did "really important, even just to see that happen on Liberty's campus - even if they don't do anything."

http://wset.com/news/local/group-calls-f...-ix-attack

oh Liberty hires openly gay employee?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfun...freak-out/

Quote:“Director Linda Nell Cooper told Christian News Network that Alluvian/Liberty University was not aware of Goldberg’s beliefs about homosexuality, but stated that one’s “personal life” is not a factor in the hiring process.
“He was hired based on his professionalism and his talent like everyone else,” Cooper explained. “It never came up in the conversation, nor would it have. … We do not ask about their personal life.”
“We work under professional guidelines. No one knows anything about anyone’s personal lives,” she reiterated.”

now please Tom. Stop spreading your false BS.

Geeze dude stop posting this crap. If he wasn't hired because he is gay and to teach a class on being gay it doesn't count. WAKE UP!! LU eats babies and burns gays on crosses.

There are several constants in life. The sun is coming up tomorrow in the East. We will all pass away at one time. And there are posters here who will spread their one-man band maniacal views about LU and attempt to engage other to join in. I give Tom credit as he is a) passionate, b) consistent, c) unyielding and d) never sways from his position.

If we were being attacked and we could see the eyes of the enemy as they were approaching, I would want Tom in my foxhole with his unyielding energy and unrelenting views even though most all disagree with him. His fervor is unmatched and his consistently is admirable, even if his logic and position are off center.

(04-02-2017 08:26 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 02:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 02:11 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 10:49 AM)Shox Wrote:  I don't get you and your crusade at all. If you need a special bathroom because your gender fluid, or want to date members of the same sex then great. However, Liberty might not be the school for you. Same with the faculty, this isn't some big secret. If you don't like the rules of a private university, don't go there. If you like to do more than hold hands, are lactose intolerant and love the taste of beer, well BYU might not be the best choice either.

No ****. Talk is cheap. Be a slacktivist, fine, or go protest at LU live and in color or start an institution of higher learning to compete against them. Otherwise, just take that grudge from getting a rejection letter during senior year from LU somewhere elze.

Read the link....when Gay people protested...they were arrested...simply for carrying a rainbow flag on campus. Jews and Gays are barred from all employment at LU, including in the Athletic Department. I doubt Trans people can go the restroom there either.

So yea, if my school said...hey....Queers and Trans people aren't welcome to attend our away football games and we're endorsing direct and stated discrimination against you by scheduling LU....then I'd have a problem with that. I'm not the only one.

Yea, it is in our interest to ensure that all of the benefits of FBS membership are open to all. Evangelicals can and do contribute and participate at all FBS institutions. We think that LGBT people should be able to as well.

Sure, there are people that think its great to tell Gay people to hide or go away. But every school that schedules LU is endorsing and furthering them. And if they schedule them at LU, they're excluding them from participation in games as fans or students.

So you're good with your school saying..."Hey - fire all the Jews...no problem here...we will help them discriminate against you".

No one is discriminating against you...at ANY FBS school.

Tom you posted a story from 2006. Sr. was the president and Liberty is nothing like it was from 2006. If you would EVER stepped foot on campus you would realize how secularized it actually is. The organization you are talking about Soulforce has been on campus since then and with no problem.

Quote:"Students called what we did "really important, even just to see that happen on Liberty's campus - even if they don't do anything."

http://wset.com/news/local/group-calls-f...-ix-attack

oh Liberty hires openly gay employee?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfun...freak-out/

Quote:“Director Linda Nell Cooper told Christian News Network that Alluvian/Liberty University was not aware of Goldberg’s beliefs about homosexuality, but stated that one’s “personal life” is not a factor in the hiring process.
“He was hired based on his professionalism and his talent like everyone else,” Cooper explained. “It never came up in the conversation, nor would it have. … We do not ask about their personal life.”
“We work under professional guidelines. No one knows anything about anyone’s personal lives,” she reiterated.”

now please Tom. Stop spreading your false BS.

Congrats on not firing a non-employee (a contractor)...That's not an employee but a contractor. If you're openly Jewish or openly LGBT, (other than in two small departments where accreditation is dependent upon non-discrimination) you cannot be an employee at LU. My source is LU's stated employee policies. Now if you could show me out of the thousands of employees on your Lynchburg campus that the policies weren't enforced..we then there'd be an issue. The case you brought up was NOT an employee.

So we have a situation where LGBT people are sometimes arrested, sometimes allowed. Barring some written guarantees by LU regarding dress and bathroom access, color me unconvinced that LGBT fans of teams playing at LU would be able to do so safely and in an unhumiliating manner.

As the title of this thread is "Liberty schedules New Mexico Home and Home", Tom has again attempted, for the umpteenth time, to hi-jack another LU post with his strong personal passion against LU. Posters, simply let Tom express his views without dialoguing with him. It takes the subject off topic, which seems to be his intent.

(04-04-2017 07:03 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  As the title of this thread is "Liberty schedules New Mexico Home and Home", Tom has again attempted, for the umpteenth time, to hi-jack another LU post with his strong personal passion against LU. Posters, simply let Tom express his views without dialoguing with him. It takes the subject off topic, which seems to be his intent.

Ok.

So...1 home game down, 4 more to go to meet the FBS requirement for 2019.

(04-05-2017 07:16 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So...1 home game down, 4 more to go to meet the FBS requirement for 2019.

Rumblings on the LU board are that the scheduling is being kept under wraps then will released all at once. This is consistent as the UNM game announcement came from media there rather from LU. A plan most all LU fans wished was different.