In Spring Practice, according to Brian Buckey of da Blade. Will likely miss the season, again. Horrible bad luck for him.

Gotta feel for the kid. Wish him a speedy recovery. Good thing our coaching staff loads up on WRs.

I hope it wasn't the same surgeon that handled Green's ACL.

(04-01-2017 09:34 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I hope it wasn't the same surgeon that handled Green's ACL.

Candle said it was up to Green how quickly he would return to play. Sounds like it had nothing to do with the surgeon.

(04-02-2017 03:17 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 09:34 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I hope it wasn't the same surgeon that handled Green's ACL.

Candle said it was up to Green how quickly he would return to play. Sounds like it had nothing to do with the surgeon.

Not sure how that can be determined. Generally speaking, once a knee reconstruction is done and the proper physical therapy takes place, it is rare to re-tear the ACL. We apparently now have 2 incidences of that happening within 2 years. ACL tears are more common in female athletes - especially basketball. If it is happening in football, you have to look for the cause of it. Is it the field turf? Is it the way the surgeries are done?

I am making those comments having torn an ACL in the past at the age of 25. It only tore halfway across and I had no surgery on it. I never had a subsequent problem with the knee and the scar tissue that formed at the tear was strong enough to prevent another tear. The only issue is that it also stretched the ligament and I later developed cartilage problems because of the torqueing on the knee from the "loosened" ligament.

It seems unusual to have two athletes suffering a re-tearing of the ACL after surgery and therapy. I'll look to see how often that occurs in football players - if there is such information kept.

In my mind, absent better information, this just doesn't pass the smell test.

My wife just had her ACL replaced. It's a cadaver ACL, but what they most worry about is where the bone grafts to the new ACL. They drill into your leg and pull then ACL through and then the healing starts. My wife was walking in a few weeks, but is limited on any twisting or sudden movements for at least a year. She's not a D1 athlete, but she's active and athletic.

(04-03-2017 08:33 AM)emanoh Wrote:  My wife just had her ACL replaced. It's a cadaver ACL, but what they most worry about is where the bone grafts to the new ACL. They drill into your leg and pull then ACL through and then the healing starts. My wife was walking in a few weeks, but is limited on any twisting or sudden movements for at least a year. She's not a D1 athlete, but she's active and athletic.

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(04-03-2017 08:33 AM)emanoh Wrote:  My wife just had her ACL replaced. It's a cadaver ACL, but what they most worry about is where the bone grafts to the new ACL. They drill into your leg and pull then ACL through and then the healing starts. My wife was walking in a few weeks, but is limited on any twisting or sudden movements for at least a year. She's not a D1 athlete, but she's active and athletic.

Sounds like you're going to have to start behaving yourself, Emanoh!

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(04-01-2017 09:34 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I hope it wasn't the same surgeon that handled Green's ACL.

Do you have any inside knowledge about this surgeon or is this purely speculative bashing?

(04-03-2017 07:27 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 09:34 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I hope it wasn't the same surgeon that handled Green's ACL.

Do you have any inside knowledge about this surgeon or is this purely speculative bashing?

is your question sincere or just stupidity? See, I can attack you just as easily as you did with me. I explained why I questioned if it was the same surgeon and if it was, it was not a good situation. I don't need inside information - I see the results and it raises questions. If it is not the same surgeon, no issue. If it is - there should be plenty of reason for concern.

(04-04-2017 09:12 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 07:27 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 09:34 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I hope it wasn't the same surgeon that handled Green's ACL.

Do you have any inside knowledge about this surgeon or is this purely speculative bashing?

is your question sincere or just stupidity? See, I can attack you just as easily as you did with me. I explained why I questioned if it was the same surgeon and if it was, it was not a good situation. I don't need inside information - I see the results and it raises questions. If it is not the same surgeon, no issue. If it is - there should be plenty of reason for concern.

Seemed sincere to me. Of all the things that can go wrong, or not right, it seems a legit question in order to evaluate why you decided the player's difficulty getting on field had to do with the surgeon.

(04-04-2017 10:10 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 09:12 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 07:27 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 09:34 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I hope it wasn't the same surgeon that handled Green's ACL.

Do you have any inside knowledge about this surgeon or is this purely speculative bashing?

is your question sincere or just stupidity? See, I can attack you just as easily as you did with me. I explained why I questioned if it was the same surgeon and if it was, it was not a good situation. I don't need inside information - I see the results and it raises questions. If it is not the same surgeon, no issue. If it is - there should be plenty of reason for concern.

Seemed sincere to me. Of all the things that can go wrong, or not right, it seems a legit question in order to evaluate why you decided the player's difficulty getting on field had to do with the surgeon.

The issue wasn't about a player getting back on the field. It was about now having 2 players that re-tore the same ACL after under-going surgery. I stated that if it was the same surgeon that did the ACL surgery on Green, who also re-tore his ACL, then it could be a problem. Everyone else started claiming I was bashing the surgeon. I didn't do that because I don't even know if it was the same surgeon. But - as I stated - if it is, then somebody needs to be looking at why we have two separate situations of re-tearing an ACL after surgery was performed.

I decided to some quick research - and this comment from a surgeon seems to hit home:

"ACL surgery is extremely technical. A millimeter difference here or there can have a huge impact on the result. The procedure is something that needs to be performed by an experienced sports orthopedist -- someone who performs the surgery two or three times a week rather than two or three times a year, someone's who's familiar with the injury, its mechanism, and the demands when you return.

From what I could find, the risk of re-tearing the same ACL after graft surgery was only 4.3% - depending on the type of graft used. I'm not getting into more detail on it because I would only be parroting what I'm reading with no insight into what is correct.

Again, my comment remains the same. If this was the same surgeon, someone needs to be looking at the type of surgery being done - i.e. the graft method used, and how often that surgeon does these types of repairs. I would imagine questions are being asked - at least I would hope so.

(04-07-2017 09:36 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 10:10 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 09:12 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 07:27 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 09:34 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I hope it wasn't the same surgeon that handled Green's ACL.

Do you have any inside knowledge about this surgeon or is this purely speculative bashing?

is your question sincere or just stupidity? See, I can attack you just as easily as you did with me. I explained why I questioned if it was the same surgeon and if it was, it was not a good situation. I don't need inside information - I see the results and it raises questions. If it is not the same surgeon, no issue. If it is - there should be plenty of reason for concern.

Seemed sincere to me. Of all the things that can go wrong, or not right, it seems a legit question in order to evaluate why you decided the player's difficulty getting on field had to do with the surgeon.

The issue wasn't about a player getting back on the field. It was about now having 2 players that re-tore the same ACL after under-going surgery. I stated that if it was the same surgeon that did the ACL surgery on Green, who also re-tore his ACL, then it could be a problem. Everyone else started claiming I was bashing the surgeon. I didn't do that because I don't even know if it was the same surgeon. But - as I stated - if it is, then somebody needs to be looking at why we have two separate situations of re-tearing an ACL after surgery was performed.

I decided to some quick research - and this comment from a surgeon seems to hit home:

"ACL surgery is extremely technical. A millimeter difference here or there can have a huge impact on the result. The procedure is something that needs to be performed by an experienced sports orthopedist -- someone who performs the surgery two or three times a week rather than two or three times a year, someone's who's familiar with the injury, its mechanism, and the demands when you return.

From what I could find, the risk of re-tearing the same ACL after graft surgery was only 4.3% - depending on the type of graft used. I'm not getting into more detail on it because I would only be parroting what I'm reading with no insight into what is correct.

Again, my comment remains the same. If this was the same surgeon, someone needs to be looking at the type of surgery being done - i.e. the graft method used, and how often that surgeon does these types of repairs. I would imagine questions are being asked - at least I would hope so.

There are doctors at UTMC that are doing multiple ACL's every week.

However, refer to my earlier post: Candle said it was up to Green how quickly he would return to play. Sounds like it had nothing to do with the surgeon.