I would love to see these stats broken down by 1st/2nd half of the season!

That wouldn't take long... right? /s

(03-30-2017 07:19 AM)TheJesBro Wrote:  I would love to see these stats broken down by 1st/2nd half of the season!

That wouldn't take long... right? /s

Do search, stats were posted here on a regular basis

(03-29-2017 05:33 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:58 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:46 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 02:49 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The worst stat:

Had Pastner Stayed:

PG: Charlie Moore
SG: Markel
SF: KJ
PF: Dedric
C: Nick Marshall

$$ left on contract: $6 million

Tubby:
PG: Jeremiah
SG: Markel
SF: KJ
PF: Dedric
C: Rychoeck

$$ left on contract: $12.6 million

So crystal ball tells you Marshall wouldn't have left to be with his girl and baby. I guess crystal ball tells you Moore would have stayed to be at the dumpster fire. Also he didn't follow Pastner to GaTech.

NCAA rules on LOIs are a pretty good crystal ball.

You probably need to educate yourself better on NCAA rules

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

(03-29-2017 10:23 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  Conditional NLIs were never actually "allowed."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hig...story.html

...The 6-foot Moore announced his decision to attend Memphis in a press conference on Nov. 12, but he did not sign a national letter of intent that day.

Moore signed four days later when Memphis added a clause to the contract that would let him out of it in the event of a coaching change.

Schools cannot contact Moore until he receives his official release, but that appears to be a mere formality...

Here's another stat. Probably Pope but I don't care.

"Only nine coaches in this year's NCAA tournament field earned more money than Memphis men's basketball Coach Tubby Smith this past season, according to a USA Today salary database released Wednesday."

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp.../99793522/

More than Buzz Williams, Steve Alford, or Sean Miller.

(03-30-2017 08:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 05:33 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:58 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:46 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 02:49 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The worst stat:

Had Pastner Stayed:

PG: Charlie Moore
SG: Markel
SF: KJ
PF: Dedric
C: Nick Marshall

$$ left on contract: $6 million

Tubby:
PG: Jeremiah
SG: Markel
SF: KJ
PF: Dedric
C: Rychoeck

$$ left on contract: $12.6 million

So crystal ball tells you Marshall wouldn't have left to be with his girl and baby. I guess crystal ball tells you Moore would have stayed to be at the dumpster fire. Also he didn't follow Pastner to GaTech.

NCAA rules on LOIs are a pretty good crystal ball.

You probably need to educate yourself better on NCAA rules

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

fair enough
how's the crystal ball on Marshall?

(03-30-2017 10:14 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 08:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 05:33 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:58 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:46 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  So crystal ball tells you Marshall wouldn't have left to be with his girl and baby. I guess crystal ball tells you Moore would have stayed to be at the dumpster fire. Also he didn't follow Pastner to GaTech.

NCAA rules on LOIs are a pretty good crystal ball.

You probably need to educate yourself better on NCAA rules

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

fair enough
how's the crystal ball on Marshall?

I have no opinion on Marshall.

(03-30-2017 10:14 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 08:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 05:33 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:58 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:46 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  So crystal ball tells you Marshall wouldn't have left to be with his girl and baby. I guess crystal ball tells you Moore would have stayed to be at the dumpster fire. Also he didn't follow Pastner to GaTech.

NCAA rules on LOIs are a pretty good crystal ball.

You probably need to educate yourself better on NCAA rules

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

fair enough
how's the crystal ball on Marshall?

Marshall brought nonsense that Tubby didn't give AF about. Tubby has made it clear (not just here) that he doesn't do ass kissing or babysitting. Apparently Nick needed babysitting and Tubby didn't play.

Josh is a much more touchy feely guy and (based on past behaviors) would have likely done whatever he could to keep Nick in the fold--if not just to preserve job security.

(03-30-2017 10:15 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:14 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 08:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 05:33 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:58 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  NCAA rules on LOIs are a pretty good crystal ball.

You probably need to educate yourself better on NCAA rules

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

fair enough
how's the crystal ball on Marshall?

I have no opinion on Marshall.

So crystal ball might be half right. Odd crystal ball indeed.

(03-30-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:14 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 08:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 05:33 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:58 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  NCAA rules on LOIs are a pretty good crystal ball.

You probably need to educate yourself better on NCAA rules

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

fair enough
how's the crystal ball on Marshall?

Marshall brought nonsense that Tubby didn't give AF about. Tubby has made it clear (not just here) that he doesn't do ass kissing or babysitting. Apparently Nick needed babysitting and Tubby didn't play.

Josh is a much more touchy feely guy and (based on past behaviors) would have likely done whatever he could to keep Nick in the fold--if not just to preserve job security.

Interesting points but a ton of speculation here. Marshall was gone regardless.

(03-30-2017 09:09 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 10:23 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  Conditional NLIs were never actually "allowed."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hig...story.html

...The 6-foot Moore announced his decision to attend Memphis in a press conference on Nov. 12, but he did not sign a national letter of intent that day.

Moore signed four days later when Memphis added a clause to the contract that would let him out of it in the event of a coaching change.

Schools cannot contact Moore until he receives his official release, but that appears to be a mere formality...

Not sure what the story there was but:

http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/2011-02-02...ter-intent

Quote:In late 2008, after hearing reports of some schools placing “out clauses” in their National Letter of Intent agreements in the event of a coaching change, the NLI committee reiterated its position that additional conditions made the NLI null and void. The committee’s policy is that the NLI is an agreement with an institution, not a coach. The fact that some schools were offering the releases and others were not created a competitive-equity issue, Peal said. “The CCA felt strongly about this issue and issued a policy that any institutions found to be providing such release agreements would have to void the NLI, and the committee would look at each case to see if other penalties are warranted,” she said. Any penalties would be considered on a case-by-case basis.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(03-29-2017 08:31 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 07:57 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Mark g said only 9 of the NCAA tournament coaches made more money than tubby did this year.

How about coaches that didn't make the NCAA tournament?

The 10 Highest-Paid College Basketball Coaches

Found this article. Out of the top 10, Kevin Ollie and Tom Crean both get paid more, but missed the tournament. Tom Crean was fired, and Kevin Ollie is a dead man walking. I anticipate Tubby is probably in the top 15, as his salary is only $100K less than Ollie.

We're paying Tubby WAY too much.

Edit: Jaime Dixon didn't make the tournament either (NIT semis).

(03-30-2017 11:17 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:14 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 08:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 05:33 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  You probably need to educate yourself better on NCAA rules

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

fair enough
how's the crystal ball on Marshall?

Marshall brought nonsense that Tubby didn't give AF about. Tubby has made it clear (not just here) that he doesn't do ass kissing or babysitting. Apparently Nick needed babysitting and Tubby didn't play.

Josh is a much more touchy feely guy and (based on past behaviors) would have likely done whatever he could to keep Nick in the fold--if not just to preserve job security.

Interesting points but a ton of speculation here. Marshall was gone regardless.

He wasn't gone in April.
He wasn't gone in May.
He wasn't gone in June.
He wasn't gone in July.

So, 109 days into Tubby's tenure, Marshall wasn't gone.

(03-30-2017 11:15 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:15 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:14 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 08:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 05:33 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  You probably need to educate yourself better on NCAA rules

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

fair enough
how's the crystal ball on Marshall?

I have no opinion on Marshall.

So crystal ball might be half right. Odd crystal ball indeed.

I never made a comment on Marshall sooo.

(03-30-2017 11:40 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 11:15 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:15 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:14 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 08:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

fair enough
how's the crystal ball on Marshall?

I have no opinion on Marshall.

So crystal ball might be half right. Odd crystal ball indeed.

I never made a comment on Marshall sooo.

You responded to my comment about Marshall and Moore. You must have a selective crystal ball

(03-30-2017 11:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 11:17 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:14 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 08:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

fair enough
how's the crystal ball on Marshall?

Marshall brought nonsense that Tubby didn't give AF about. Tubby has made it clear (not just here) that he doesn't do ass kissing or babysitting. Apparently Nick needed babysitting and Tubby didn't play.

Josh is a much more touchy feely guy and (based on past behaviors) would have likely done whatever he could to keep Nick in the fold--if not just to preserve job security.

Interesting points but a ton of speculation here. Marshall was gone regardless.

He wasn't gone in April.
He wasn't gone in May.
He wasn't gone in June.
He wasn't gone in July.

So, 109 days into Tubby's tenure, Marshall wasn't gone.

Lots of speculation still

Speculation that Tubby didn't have a convo with Marshall.
Speculation that Marshall would have definitely stayed if Pastner was here and not go to his girl and baby.

(03-30-2017 12:15 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 11:40 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 11:15 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:15 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:14 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  fair enough
how's the crystal ball on Marshall?

I have no opinion on Marshall.

So crystal ball might be half right. Odd crystal ball indeed.

I never made a comment on Marshall sooo.

You responded to my comment about Marshall and Moore. You must have a selective crystal ball

I responded about LOI. That applied to only Moore.

(03-29-2017 10:23 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  Conditional NLIs were never actually "allowed."

There was no regulation prohibiting them until Cal made it SOP here. So they were allowed until 2008-09ish.

(03-30-2017 08:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 05:33 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:58 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 04:46 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 02:49 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The worst stat:

Had Pastner Stayed:

PG: Charlie Moore
SG: Markel
SF: KJ
PF: Dedric
C: Nick Marshall

$$ left on contract: $6 million

Tubby:
PG: Jeremiah
SG: Markel
SF: KJ
PF: Dedric
C: Rychoeck

$$ left on contract: $12.6 million

So crystal ball tells you Marshall wouldn't have left to be with his girl and baby. I guess crystal ball tells you Moore would have stayed to be at the dumpster fire. Also he didn't follow Pastner to GaTech.

NCAA rules on LOIs are a pretty good crystal ball.

You probably need to educate yourself better on NCAA rules

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

So yea Moore didnt't have a choice, but to stay at Pastner's dumpster fire. Crystal ball still going strong.

He did have a choice. Once the letter is signed, he can get out of it by appealing to the school for a release. He did, and he received it. We can grant the release whether Pastner is still here or not. So he could have still asked for a release with Pastner here, when Damon left - since that's who his relationship was with anyway. Happens all the time. More in football - when assistant coaches leave.

If we refused the release, which we did not, he can then appeal to the NCAA for a release. The NCAA frequently grants these, as well.

So he had a choice, and he chose to appeal, and we chose to grant. Possibly the same outcome as if Pastner had stayed and Damon left.

(03-30-2017 09:09 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 10:23 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  Conditional NLIs were never actually "allowed."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hig...story.html

...The 6-foot Moore announced his decision to attend Memphis in a press conference on Nov. 12, but he did not sign a national letter of intent that day.

Moore signed four days later when Memphis added a clause to the contract that would let him out of it in the event of a coaching change.

Schools cannot contact Moore until he receives his official release, but that appears to be a mere formality...

Either Moore is just talking here, or Memphis broke the rules on this. It's clearly a violation to add the coaching change clause.

I suspect Moore didn't fully understand that it was actually an appeal taking place.