@mgiannotto Let's just say I don't think there's anything imminent on the recruiting front at the moment.

It only means he doesn't think anything is about to happen at the moment. A lot of these guys are setting up visits. I don't think it's anything to be alarmed about. I have a feeling Darrington will come on a visit.

(03-27-2017 11:36 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  It only means he doesn't think anything is about to happen at the moment. A lot of these guys are setting up visits. I don't think it's anything to be alarmed about. I have a feeling Darrington will come on a visit.

Nooooo...it's an "alarming tweet"

Depends on the meaning of 'imminent'.

It definitely requires a little more context. But, I don't anticipate much recruiting-wise.

(03-28-2017 06:18 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Depends on the meaning of 'imminent'.

Imminent means "about to happen".

When is the Spring signing date? It should be coming up soon (early April ?? )

So, basically, we are about two weeks out from a year to the day in which Tubby was hired.

Most folks who justify Tubby's lack of pickups from April 9 and later say it was because, by that time, there really wasn't anything left but slaw.

Are the same people now saying that it doesn't matter if Tubby doesn't get anyone soon and he still has time to snag some good players?

(03-28-2017 08:30 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, basically, we are about two weeks out from a year to the day in which Tubby was hired.

Most folks who justify Tubby's lack of pickups from April 9 and later say it was because, by that time, there really wasn't anything left but slaw.

Are the same people now saying that it doesn't matter if Tubby doesn't get anyone soon and he still has time to snag some good players?

Yep.

Narratives/agendas are fluid?

I will say this - there are still names on the board with Memphis interest and the board is growing each day.

Which really points to the narrative last April as being an absolute lie.

He can still round out this roster nicely.

(03-28-2017 08:58 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:30 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, basically, we are about two weeks out from a year to the day in which Tubby was hired.

Most folks who justify Tubby's lack of pickups from April 9 and later say it was because, by that time, there really wasn't anything left but slaw.

Are the same people now saying that it doesn't matter if Tubby doesn't get anyone soon and he still has time to snag some good players?

Yep.

Narratives/agendas are fluid?

Please explain what my so called agenda or narrative is.

I said imminent means "about to happen" as in the next two to three to four days.

I haven't checked to see if my definition of imminent is correct yet, but by all means you and Saluki let me know if I'm wrong.

I'm thinking you won't respond.

(03-28-2017 09:15 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I will say this - there are still names on the board with Memphis interest and the board is growing each day.

Which really points to the narrative last April as being an absolute lie.

He can still round out this roster nicely.

Here's my concern... what's the context of the "Tubby can't recruit" narrative? I understand he doesn't like to "play games," etc, but there are still nice pieces to be gained without playing said games. Gregg Marshall, Archie Miller, Jay Wright, and Mark Few have done quite well without a roster of one-and-dones.

So is the issue that Tubby WON'T recruit or CAN'T recruit? In other words,

1. Is Tubby passively recruiting these guys, showing no sense of urgency and thus losing out on recruits? Or...
2. Is Tubby actively recruiting these guys, showing a sense of urgency, but the players are unimpressed with Tubby's style, personality, etc and thus that's the reason we're losing out?
   

I'm not sure either issue is easily fixed at this point.

(03-28-2017 10:18 AM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:58 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:30 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, basically, we are about two weeks out from a year to the day in which Tubby was hired.

Most folks who justify Tubby's lack of pickups from April 9 and later say it was because, by that time, there really wasn't anything left but slaw.

Are the same people now saying that it doesn't matter if Tubby doesn't get anyone soon and he still has time to snag some good players?

Yep.

Narratives/agendas are fluid?

Please explain what my so called agenda or narrative is.

I said imminent means "about to happen" as in the next two to three to four days.

I haven't checked to see if my definition of imminent is correct yet, but by all means you and Saluki let me know if I'm wrong.

I'm thinking you won't respond.

I can't respond to nonsense.

Imminent also means "impending" which simply means an occurrence that will happen with certainly at some point in the near future.

"The impending national title game will have a team from the Carolina's in it."

(03-28-2017 08:30 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, basically, we are about two weeks out from a year to the day in which Tubby was hired.

Most folks who justify Tubby's lack of pickups from April 9 and later say it was because, by that time, there really wasn't anything left but slaw.

Are the same people now saying that it doesn't matter if Tubby doesn't get anyone soon and he still has time to snag some good players?

Are sure it isn't you that has an agenda with the constant hard line stance?

If Tubby can't recruit and win on a high level, I'll bash hard, consistent, and loud. Since this hasn't happened yet, it's not time.

(03-28-2017 10:18 AM)TubbyTime Wrote:  I'm thinking you won't respond.

I'm thinking you must not be familiar with Saluki.

(03-28-2017 10:19 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:15 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I will say this - there are still names on the board with Memphis interest and the board is growing each day.

Which really points to the narrative last April as being an absolute lie.

He can still round out this roster nicely.

Here's my concern... what's the context of the "Tubby can't recruit" narrative? I understand he doesn't like to "play games," etc, but there are still nice pieces to be gained without playing said games. Gregg Marshall, Archie Miller, Jay Wright, and Mark Few have done quite well without a roster of one-and-dones.

So is the issue that Tubby WON'T recruit or CAN'T recruit? In other words,

1. Is Tubby passively recruiting these guys, showing no sense of urgency and thus losing out on recruits? Or...
2. Is Tubby actively recruiting these guys, showing a sense of urgency, but the players are unimpressed with Tubby's style, personality, etc and thus that's the reason we're losing out?
   

I'm not sure either issue is easily fixed at this point.

That's a good question.

It seems as though he is having a tough time getting guys. Since he's been here, he's lost in battles vs. Utah State, Ole Miss, USC, and others.

We're now fighting for guys that are being recruited by MVC schools and Colonial schools.

Tubby has a lot of staff loyalty, but the idea that Esposito is the lead recruiter seem like a square peg in a round hole for the Memphis area kids.

Tubby has also been adamant about his disdain for the AAU circuit and the "games" that go along with it. While I appreciate his virtuous nature, I think there is growing evidence that today's game is passing him by.

(03-28-2017 10:24 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:18 AM)TubbyTime Wrote:  I'm thinking you won't respond.

I'm thinking you must not be familiar with Saluki.

Haha. Not sure how to take that.

So far their efforts in a year's time (I'm going to go ahead and round up at this point, since Mark G said nothing is imminent) have yielded:

Chad Rykhoek
Karim Azab
Christian Kessee
Keon Clergeot
Victor Enoh
David Nickelberry
Jamal Johnson

7 guys in a year, 2 who are already gone and barely contributed, 1 who was ineligible and another 1 who may be ineligible.

They are getting out-recruited by mid to bottom tier P5 schools.

And there main 2018 target is making goo-goo eyes at Cuonzo.

Hopefully they have a handful of surprises in store.

I'm not impressed with Tubby's assistant coach...the guy the tweets BAM... If they cannot consistently recruit and land 4 and 5* players with the facilities (Fed Ex Forum and the new Practice Facility) then there not the right staff.

(03-28-2017 10:29 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:19 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:15 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I will say this - there are still names on the board with Memphis interest and the board is growing each day.

Which really points to the narrative last April as being an absolute lie.

He can still round out this roster nicely.

Here's my concern... what's the context of the "Tubby can't recruit" narrative? I understand he doesn't like to "play games," etc, but there are still nice pieces to be gained without playing said games. Gregg Marshall, Archie Miller, Jay Wright, and Mark Few have done quite well without a roster of one-and-dones.

So is the issue that Tubby WON'T recruit or CAN'T recruit? In other words,

1. Is Tubby passively recruiting these guys, showing no sense of urgency and thus losing out on recruits? Or...
2. Is Tubby actively recruiting these guys, showing a sense of urgency, but the players are unimpressed with Tubby's style, personality, etc and thus that's the reason we're losing out?
   

I'm not sure either issue is easily fixed at this point.

That's a good question.

It seems as though he is having a tough time getting guys. Since he's been here, he's lost in battles vs. Utah State, Ole Miss, USC, and others.

We're now fighting for guys that are being recruited by MVC schools and Colonial schools.

Tubby has a lot of staff loyalty, but the idea that Esposito is the lead recruiter seem like a square peg in a round hole for the Memphis area kids.

Tubby has also been adamant about his disdain for the AAU circuit and the "games" that go along with it. While I appreciate his virtuous nature, I think there is growing evidence that today's game is passing him by.

(03-28-2017 10:56 AM)TigersTigers Wrote:  I'm not impressed with Tobby's assistant coach...the guy the tweets BAM... If they cannot consistently recruit and land 4 and 5* players then there not the right staff.

I disagree on rankings.

But they do have to land GOOD players.

You can't consistently squeeze water from a stone and just sign whoever and magically coach them up.

They are going to have to win some battles with some good players.