robertfoshizzle
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
The truth is, I don't think AAC schools can afford to have all their buy games against low-RPI mid-majors. If someone here has the numbers, that would be great... but I would imagine the cost to buy a home game against, for instance, a MAC or MVC school is a lot more expensive than buying a MEAC or Atlantic Sun game, for instance. But our programs need to find creative ways to avoid playing RPI-killing schools.
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
For the conference schedule, how about this:
Separate the schools into their football divisions (with Wichita taking the place of Navy in the West), but just for scheduling purposes. This will help develop rivalries among the teams that play each other every year in football, and will also lead to geographically sensible match-ups. Everyone plays their division-mates twice and the other division once. There are games 1-16.
Then, sort the teams 1-6 in average RPI over the past 3 seasons, and have the 1's and 2's meet, the 3's and 4's meet, and the 5's and 6's meet for games 17 & 18.
So, using Cincinnati as an example (just because they are 1st in alphabetical order):
1 Connecticut
2 at Temple
3 UCF
4 at East Carolina
5 South Florida
6 at SMU
7 Wichita State
8 at Tulsa
9 Memphis
10 at Houston
11 Tulane
12 at Connecticut
13 Temple
14 at UCF
15 East Carolina
16 at South Florida
17 SMU (#1 RPI West)
18 at Wichita State (#2 RPI West)
Just to reiterate, divisions would only be used in scheduling and not in the standings or tournament seeding.
(This post was last modified: 03-29-2017 12:45 PM by Chappy.)
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
(03-29-2017 12:44 PM)Chappy Wrote: For the conference schedule, how about this:
Separate the schools into their football divisions (with Wichita taking the place of Navy in the West), but just for scheduling purposes. This will help develop rivalries among the teams that play each other every year in football, and will also lead to geographically sensible match-ups. Everyone plays their division-mates twice and the other division once. There are games 1-16.
Then, sort the teams 1-6 in average RPI over the past 3 seasons, and have the 1's and 2's meet, the 3's and 4's meet, and the 5's and 6's meet for games 17 & 18.
So, using Cincinnati as an example (just because they are 1st in alphabetical order):
1 Connecticut
2 at Temple
3 UCF
4 at East Carolina
5 South Florida
6 at SMU
7 Wichita State
8 at Tulsa
9 Memphis
10 at Houston
11 Tulane
12 at Connecticut
13 Temple
14 at UCF
15 East Carolina
16 at South Florida
17 SMU (#1 RPI West)
18 at Wichita State (#2 RPI West)
Just to reiterate, divisions would only be used in scheduling and not in the standings or tournament seeding.
I like this idea.
Maybe an unforeseen side effect, but it almost has the feel of relegation / promotion. For example, if UCF were to graduate from #3 to #2 for a cycle, that would be a great incentive to improve.
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03-29-2017 01:33 PM |
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
(03-29-2017 12:44 PM)Chappy Wrote: For the conference schedule, how about this:
Separate the schools into their football divisions (with Wichita taking the place of Navy in the West), but just for scheduling purposes. This will help develop rivalries among the teams that play each other every year in football, and will also lead to geographically sensible match-ups. Everyone plays their division-mates twice and the other division once. There are games 1-16.
Then, sort the teams 1-6 in average RPI over the past 3 seasons, and have the 1's and 2's meet, the 3's and 4's meet, and the 5's and 6's meet for games 17 & 18.
So, using Cincinnati as an example (just because they are 1st in alphabetical order):
1 Connecticut
2 at Temple
3 UCF
4 at East Carolina
5 South Florida
6 at SMU
7 Wichita State
8 at Tulsa
9 Memphis
10 at Houston
11 Tulane
12 at Connecticut
13 Temple
14 at UCF
15 East Carolina
16 at South Florida
17 SMU (#1 RPI West)
18 at Wichita State (#2 RPI West)
Just to reiterate, divisions would only be used in scheduling and not in the standings or tournament seeding.
This us the best solution i have seen. Gives the rpi boost but keeps it simple for geography and travel. Everyone plays everyone. Alternate the home and away from the one games is really the only thing that gets complicated.
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03-29-2017 05:23 PM |
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
My 20 game schedule is that you play every one your division twice plus four crossover games twice, which leaves the two teams in the other division for a single game. TV can pick the opponents or you can have the previous year standings determine the schedule for cross division games.
Either way the number of buy games played needs be no greater than four per school.
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03-30-2017 07:41 AM |
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
I'd rather have 20 league games than 16. That being said, I think 18 is most likely. I like the divisions idea but I just don't think 16 league games is enough in today's age with 30-31 regular season games.
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03-30-2017 10:15 AM |
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
(03-30-2017 10:15 AM)shocks02 Wrote: I'd rather have 20 league games than 16. That being said, I think 18 is most likely. I like the divisions idea but I just don't think 16 league games is enough in today's age with 30-31 regular season games.
to me, the question, as to how many league games, should be something that the "better" schools have a lot of input into. if they feel the need to schedule more OOC (for RPI), they should be able to. it's not their fault that the league has too many bottom feeders. if they feel that more league games wouldn't hurt them too badly, do that, and save the money that they would've paid to OOC teams. this may not be "fair" to all. but, until the bottom feeders start to get their **** together, the league should try to penalize its good teams as little as possible.
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03-30-2017 10:57 AM |
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
I like the 20 game schedule. Play everyone play twice except for 2 teams and use the previous years finish to determine the single games.
1+2 plays 11+12
3+4 plays 9+10
5+6 plays 7+8
(This post was last modified: 03-30-2017 12:12 PM by gotigers1.)
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
(03-30-2017 12:11 PM)gotigers1 Wrote: I like the 20 game schedule. Play everyone play twice except for 2 teams and use the previous years finish to determine the single games.
1+2 plays 11+12
3+4 plays 9+10
5+6 plays 7+8
In past discussions about basketball schedules, I seem to recall Memphis fans saying something about 20 conference games would make it difficult for the Tigers to play a required number of home basketball games at the arena. Is that still an issue?
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03-30-2017 12:50 PM |
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
(03-30-2017 12:50 PM)Chappy Wrote: (03-30-2017 12:11 PM)gotigers1 Wrote: I like the 20 game schedule. Play everyone play twice except for 2 teams and use the previous years finish to determine the single games.
1+2 plays 11+12
3+4 plays 9+10
5+6 plays 7+8
In past discussions about basketball schedules, I seem to recall Memphis fans saying something about 20 conference games would make it difficult for the Tigers to play a required number of home basketball games at the arena. Is that still an issue?
yes it is.
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03-30-2017 01:56 PM |
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
We play 18 conference games now. Why should we add a team and drop to 16 games? Makes no sense.
And we have a lease with the FedExForum that requires us to play 18 home games a season, so 20 conference games would be out of the question for us.
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
(03-29-2017 12:44 PM)Chappy Wrote: For the conference schedule, how about this:
Separate the schools into their football divisions (with Wichita taking the place of Navy in the West), but just for scheduling purposes. This will help develop rivalries among the teams that play each other every year in football, and will also lead to geographically sensible match-ups. Everyone plays their division-mates twice and the other division once. There are games 1-16.
Then, sort the teams 1-6 in average RPI over the past 3 seasons, and have the 1's and 2's meet, the 3's and 4's meet, and the 5's and 6's meet for games 17 & 18.
So, using Cincinnati as an example (just because they are 1st in alphabetical order):
1 Connecticut
2 at Temple
3 UCF
4 at East Carolina
5 South Florida
6 at SMU
7 Wichita State
8 at Tulsa
9 Memphis
10 at Houston
11 Tulane
12 at Connecticut
13 Temple
14 at UCF
15 East Carolina
16 at South Florida
17 SMU (#1 RPI West)
18 at Wichita State (#2 RPI West)
Just to reiterate, divisions would only be used in scheduling and not in the standings or tournament seeding.
I really love this idea.
Anyway, I would think that ESPN would be pushing for something more than 16 division games or at least something more fluid than strict division matchups. It would be a shame for WSU to only play Cincy once next year.
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04-03-2017 11:14 AM |
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
(04-01-2017 08:50 PM)TripleA Wrote: we have a lease with the FedExForum that requires us to play 18 home games a season, so 20 conference games would be out of the question for us.
is 18 games the minimum or the maximum # allowed?
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04-03-2017 11:29 AM |
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
If the bottom third of the conference was stronger, I would be fine with 20. But with the way things are now, I prefer 18, and it sounds like 20 would be a non-starter with Memphis' arena situation anyway.
I will say that I hope the scheduling is somehow based on last year's performance as suggested in this thread, be it RPI, league standings, etc. As a Cincinnati fan, I want SMU and Wichita both home and home next season for the benefit of those individual schools and our conference's tourney hopes.
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04-03-2017 01:56 PM |
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
I'll repeat a suggestion I've made in other threads before: allow teams to pick (in order of previous season's conference W/L record) which of the conference opponents they want to play twice. So if it's a 12-team league with an 18-game schedule, SMU would go first. They'd play each team once and then decide which 7 teams they want to play a second time. UC would pick second, and so forth. Obviously, the further down the list you go, the fewer choices a team has. Wins and Losses have consequences.
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RE: How many basketball games should a 12-team AAC play?
IMO, it should be one at home and one away.... so with 11 others... 22 games.
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04-03-2017 08:44 PM |
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