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RE: Evans transferring
(04-11-2017 07:15 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 07:06 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Hate to keep beating a dead athletic program but once again we have "why can't the students show up?" comment. How about Rice alums/fans who live within 20 miles of Rice? I think those of us who actually are at Tudor for games feel that unless the school is on break, the student attendance (and enthusiasm) did grow during Rhoades tenure. What did not grow was new alum/fans and local alum/fans who bought tickets but didn't come to the games. For 3 years our group offered free tickets and Trauber passes to folks on this board and each year the interest in taking this offer decreased. Maybe it is the alum/fan community that is incompatible with the athletes? There are definitely problems with our attendance, but I'm tired of seeing the blame laid squarely on the students.

As far as the department heads being at the games I will agree/disagree with you. Tanner, Shu, Jana, Paul, and Mello were very visible....JK not enough and even then he chooses to sit away up near the walkway back to the athletic department offices.

I agree that basketball student attendance went up quite a bit I was more referring to how most of the basketball, football and baseball athletes don't get involved with their residential colleges. And students don't go out of their way to introduce themselves if they do see athletes around. Not sure if that's a big change from 20 years ago.

There's always a few exceptions. From this basketball team Drone seemed to be around his college more. Ryan Berry of course... etc.

For a group that was touted as being so tight as a team they really abandoned each other quickly...

When I was at Sid, a large group of students, not all Sid, would head to South Padre Island at the end of spring break. I know we had members of the basketball team join us on the trip, I remember at least 3 players one year.

I regularly commuted to south Louisiana my first couple of years with a member of the baseball team.

There is a reason I pull for Rice still.

(I agree with Tiki about the alumni comment, but that's a factor of where we are in our lives. Last weekend, I could've driven to watch my daughter run in a track meet Friday, my son played a Pony League game Thursday night, ran in an 8th grade track meet Friday, and played 5 baseball games in a tournament on the weekend. My middle daughter had a basketball tournament Saturday and played 5 games.)

I used to go to 20 baseball games a year, but there is too much conflict now. I'm lucky to make the football games that I do. One bittersweet day I will be able to attend Rice games regularly again. But when I read Tiki's posts, I feel guilty no doubt.
04-11-2017 09:46 AM
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RE: Evans transferring
I think there might be too much being read into the transfers that "something is going on here" beyond the obvious:
1) A head coach that seemed to be well respected by his players left the university, and likely given VCU's ability to compensate assistant coaches better, brought some of those with him too (Brent Scott)
2) An assistant coach that the players all like and respect got hired -- and the group celebrated that hiring. My guess is they are genuinely very excited for Coach Pera.
3) We are dealing with 18-22 year olds here. How else were they going to react when Coach Pera got the job? Without celebration? Whether they were sitting there planning on staying or going, I think the excitement for him is genuine.
4) When guys start transferring, it's natural for there to be a snowball effect. I think it takes a more unique person to look at the situation and say "I'm staying. There's more opportunity for me here than if I leave..." versus "Holy crap. We are going to suck. With a terrible schedule. Playing in front of no fans. At an academically difficult school where the students don't like athletics."

I think many posters need to stop assuming that we know why each and every player is transferring and acting like they are the most disloyal human beings to have walked the Rice campus (since Dylan Ennis anyway). Each and every individual situation is different, and we're still talking about relatively young individuals that are likely getting pulled in a bunch of different directions. So I say "good luck" to each and every one of them and thank them for their time at Rice, because I was one of the people in the stands, and I really enjoyed watching them play. I'm disappointed that they're leaving, but get it. I also enjoyed cheering for Ennis for Villanova and Oregon. Rice isn't for everyone. For me, it was a great fit for academics, and secondarily, for athletics. I didn't care about not playing in front of crowds, but I 100% understand why it is very hard for some of our athletes to work incredibly hard, only to play in front of less support than they had in high school, and less support than many of their peers are having at other schools.

Valuing the Rice education above everything else requires a maturity and a long term view, and I don't think it's fair to act like everyone should "get it".

How do we fix the situation at Rice Athletics?

Maybe by acknowledging what we'll never be...and being okay with it. We had a fun coach in Rhoades, and similar to Graham/Bailiff/etc. had to spend some of his time and bandwidth visiting colleges to drum up student support. He did it -- sometimes successfully given the student turn out at some key match ups -- and it was a lot of fun. I guess I'm either too pessimistic or too realistic to think we ever get to a situation where our students come out game after game to support our sports. As someone has mentioned on here before, fellow athletes don't even do that in mass quantity. So I think Rice will always muddle along...with many of us complaining that we should be better because we love the school and think it's a great platform, and we might get some bright shining years in hoops or football or baseball and I'll enjoy those.

For me, reality set in at the semi-finals of the women's bball tournament when Rice hosted Idaho. I was there, and the number of attendees was embarassing. No students, no alums, no Houston school kids, nobody...I want to say that when I counted before the game started, it was like 75 people in the gym. And I would have no issue with the women that have had success on the team deciding that their blood, sweat and tears translating into that type of environment isn't the perfect melding of athletics and academics, and making the choice to transfer.
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RE: Evans transferring
(04-11-2017 10:15 AM)Owl25 Wrote:  I also enjoyed cheering for Ennis for Villanova and Oregon.

Blasphemer! (mostly kidding)
04-11-2017 10:21 AM
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Brent Scott wasn't even offered the opportunity to interview, so, as an alum, one can understand how he might be miffed.
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(04-11-2017 10:23 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Brent Scott wasn't even offered the opportunity to interview, so, as an alum, one can understand how he might be miffed.

Brent Scott wasn't offered an interview for the Rice head coaching position? Or was not offered a position on Pera's staff? I assume you mean the former, since the news that Brent Scott was going to VCU came out the same day Pera supposedly interviewed for the Rice job.
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(04-11-2017 10:34 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 10:23 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Brent Scott wasn't even offered the opportunity to interview, so, as an alum, one can understand how he might be miffed.

Brent Scott wasn't offered an interview for the Rice head coaching position? Or was not offered a position on Pera's staff? I assume you mean the former, since the news that Brent Scott was going to VCU came out the same day Pera supposedly interviewed for the Rice job.

Correct, the former.
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(04-11-2017 10:37 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 10:34 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 10:23 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Brent Scott wasn't even offered the opportunity to interview, so, as an alum, one can understand how he might be miffed.

Brent Scott wasn't offered an interview for the Rice head coaching position? Or was not offered a position on Pera's staff? I assume you mean the former, since the news that Brent Scott was going to VCU came out the same day Pera supposedly interviewed for the Rice job.

Correct, the former.

I agree that it would have been good form to interview him, even if they thought they would be going another direction (for whatever reason). He hadn't been on staff as long as Pera though.
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(04-11-2017 10:21 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 10:15 AM)Owl25 Wrote:  I also enjoyed cheering for Ennis for Villanova and Oregon.

Blasphemer! (mostly kidding)

I had the chance to get to know him, and he was a really nice kid. Rice was not a good fit for him or us before he got here -- he was always going to use it as a platform to a bigger basketball stage. His life is 100% basketball, and he wanted to take whatever steps he could to try to position himself for basketball success. I would argue that we should have probably been able to tell that on the front end, and may have taken a risk that he'd be happy enough that he might stay. Again, I don't fault him though...he's making decisions that he thinks are best for him.
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RE: Evans transferring
What is Ennis doing currently? Anybody know?
(04-11-2017 12:32 PM)Owl25 Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 10:21 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 10:15 AM)Owl25 Wrote:  I also enjoyed cheering for Ennis for Villanova and Oregon.

Blasphemer! (mostly kidding)

I had the chance to get to know him, and he was a really nice kid. Rice was not a good fit for him or us before he got here -- he was always going to use it as a platform to a bigger basketball stage. His life is 100% basketball, and he wanted to take whatever steps he could to try to position himself for basketball success. I would argue that we should have probably been able to tell that on the front end, and may have taken a risk that he'd be happy enough that he might stay. Again, I don't fault him though...he's making decisions that he thinks are best for him.
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RE: Evans transferring
(04-11-2017 11:20 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  What is Ennis doing currently? Anybody know?
(04-11-2017 12:32 PM)Owl25 Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 10:21 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 10:15 AM)Owl25 Wrote:  I also enjoyed cheering for Ennis for Villanova and Oregon.

Blasphemer! (mostly kidding)

I had the chance to get to know him, and he was a really nice kid. Rice was not a good fit for him or us before he got here -- he was always going to use it as a platform to a bigger basketball stage. His life is 100% basketball, and he wanted to take whatever steps he could to try to position himself for basketball success. I would argue that we should have probably been able to tell that on the front end, and may have taken a risk that he'd be happy enough that he might stay. Again, I don't fault him though...he's making decisions that he thinks are best for him.

I imagine he'll watch the 2nd round of the NBA draft before figuring out what's next
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