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RE: 6 Questions Democrats Should Be Asking Themselves Right Now
(03-25-2017 11:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 11:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 10:46 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 06:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 06:15 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  So how do you remedy intolerant people?


Reeducate people to be tolerant to others. I like to see no more mean nasty spirited name calling and all that. It hurts when I was a kid when they called me a retard and all that. I will never stoop that low and call people mean spirited names.

So, open-mindedness is contingent of people accepting your world view? Re-education of those that you don't deem tolerant. You must be freaking kidding me. Freedom of speech is just that, and I know of no Constitutional right that protects you from being offended by what I say or what I think. You scare me. Boogeyman DavidSt, as your thoughts are dangerous and totalitarian. No thanks.

Yup.


There's no Constitutional Amendment ensuring your feelings don't get hurt.

David wants thought police like Hitler and Stalin.

Doesn't mean you should condone or promote actions that hurt feelings either. And there should be no problems in telling the people who state those things that they are idiots. You are automatically assuming that the concept of "reeducation" is solely a governmental issue, and if it were your stating it would be like Hitler and Stalin would be more on point.

Reeducation can also consist of private actions of private individuals to tell those who perform such acts or verbiage that they are idiots -- a type of social reeducation. And with this form your drawing on Hitler and Stalin is completely misplaced.

He was clearly speaking on behalf of the theoretical government he was theoretically elected to lead.

But honestly you aren't much better. You just replaced government tyranny with personal tyranny.

You have absolutely no right to impose your beliefs on another no matter how right you may feel they are.
03-25-2017 11:23 PM
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RE: 6 Questions Democrats Should Be Asking Themselves Right Now
(03-25-2017 11:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 11:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 11:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 10:46 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 06:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Reeducate people to be tolerant to others. I like to see no more mean nasty spirited name calling and all that. It hurts when I was a kid when they called me a retard and all that. I will never stoop that low and call people mean spirited names.

So, open-mindedness is contingent of people accepting your world view? Re-education of those that you don't deem tolerant. You must be freaking kidding me. Freedom of speech is just that, and I know of no Constitutional right that protects you from being offended by what I say or what I think. You scare me. Boogeyman DavidSt, as your thoughts are dangerous and totalitarian. No thanks.

Yup.


There's no Constitutional Amendment ensuring your feelings don't get hurt.

David wants thought police like Hitler and Stalin.

Doesn't mean you should condone or promote actions that hurt feelings either. And there should be no problems in telling the people who state those things that they are idiots. You are automatically assuming that the concept of "reeducation" is solely a governmental issue, and if it were your stating it would be like Hitler and Stalin would be more on point.

Reeducation can also consist of private actions of private individuals to tell those who perform such acts or verbiage that they are idiots -- a type of social reeducation. And with this form your drawing on Hitler and Stalin is completely misplaced.

He was clearly speaking on behalf of the theoretical government he was theoretically elected to lead.

Perhaps you can point out where he mentions government action. I can't find that "clear" statement there. Or does anybody saying 'anything' automatically mean government intervention in your mind?

Sorry the words themselves dont point out anything of the sort 'clearly' at all.

Quote:But honestly you aren't much better. You just replaced government tyranny with personal tyranny.

So for me to say that someone is being an a-hole is "personal tyranny". Wow. I have never heard *that* stretch before.

Sorry to tell you that the right of free speech (both legally and morally, since there is no legal right under the 1st amendment with solely private (non-government) actors) has no "personal tyranny" exception. The same right that gives an a-hole the right to be an a-hole accords the right to call out an a-hole. But somehow that is "personal tyranny" when one does the calling out.... That seems to fundamentally reject the entire intrinsic notion that the "right" (as explained before no legal right without a governmental suppression) is pretty much absolute and bilateral. But you seemingly dont agree that it is bilateral. Otay...... this should be interesting going further.....

Quote: You have absolutely no right to impose your beliefs on another no matter how right you may feel they are.

You are correct if I "impose" my personal beliefs. But I enjoy the same rights (as does *anyone* else, and including those same a-holes mentioned above) to be free of government intervention to state my personal beliefs to whomever I wish. Including someone being an a-hole. And fundamentally and equally to those calling out a-holes (your "personal tyranny" thingy...) And yep, the calling out of a-holes, or trying to reason with a-holes, is a form of "social reeducation". But somehow that is "tyranny" to you......

And those same people to whom I express those beliefs have a similar right to not listen, or simply walk away, or if I am on their property, they can revoke my right to be their guest.

But if you feel that my right to self-expression is in anyway less than any other person, including in the type of "social reeducation" described above, you are greatly mistaken. Both legally and morally. But your right to disagree. :)
03-26-2017 08:04 AM
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RE: 6 Questions Democrats Should Be Asking Themselves Right Now
I remember all the post-mortems for the Republican Party in 08, 10, 12. How they might never have power again unless they softened their positions and moved to the left. How immigration and social issues were a loser for them.

Things change. The Democrats will be fine, and it has nothing to do with what they do. The GOP will squander their opportunity, and people will be pissed and give the Democrats another shot. The left will get cocky and start dancing on the GOP grave, and then things will shift again. On and on we go.
03-26-2017 09:03 AM
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RE: 6 Questions Democrats Should Be Asking Themselves Right Now
(03-25-2017 10:46 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 06:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 06:15 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  3) Do Democrats Really Want To Be The Intolerant Fun Police? Not everybody. My motto is that nobody should be intolerant of others. That means race, religion, sex, age or the disable. We need to be respectful to each other no matter what views we have.

So how do you remedy intolerant people?


Reeducate people to be tolerant to others. I like to see no more mean nasty spirited name calling and all that. It hurts when I was a kid when they called me a retard and all that. I will never stoop that low and call people mean spirited names.

So, open-mindedness is contingent of people accepting your world view? Re-education of those that you don't deem tolerant. You must be freaking kidding me. Freedom of speech is just that, and I know of no Constitutional right that protects you from being offended by what I say or what I think. You scare me. Boogeyman DavidSt, as your thoughts are dangerous and totalitarian. No thanks.


I guess you have never been called a retard and all that in school? We could have a different opposing views, but does it give anybody a right on either side of the issue to get down into the mud using name calling and vulgar words? We have to face the issues that name calling does not solve a thing. It is intolerance on both sides that use name calling that is intolerance to get their point across.
03-28-2017 07:48 PM
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RE: 6 Questions Democrats Should Be Asking Themselves Right Now
(03-25-2017 11:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 11:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 11:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 10:46 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 06:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Reeducate people to be tolerant to others. I like to see no more mean nasty spirited name calling and all that. It hurts when I was a kid when they called me a retard and all that. I will never stoop that low and call people mean spirited names.

So, open-mindedness is contingent of people accepting your world view? Re-education of those that you don't deem tolerant. You must be freaking kidding me. Freedom of speech is just that, and I know of no Constitutional right that protects you from being offended by what I say or what I think. You scare me. Boogeyman DavidSt, as your thoughts are dangerous and totalitarian. No thanks.

Yup.


There's no Constitutional Amendment ensuring your feelings don't get hurt.

David wants thought police like Hitler and Stalin.

Doesn't mean you should condone or promote actions that hurt feelings either. And there should be no problems in telling the people who state those things that they are idiots. You are automatically assuming that the concept of "reeducation" is solely a governmental issue, and if it were your stating it would be like Hitler and Stalin would be more on point.

Reeducation can also consist of private actions of private individuals to tell those who perform such acts or verbiage that they are idiots -- a type of social reeducation. And with this form your drawing on Hitler and Stalin is completely misplaced.

He was clearly speaking on behalf of the theoretical government he was theoretically elected to lead.

But honestly you aren't much better. You just replaced government tyranny with personal tyranny.

You have absolutely no right to impose your beliefs on another no matter how right you may feel they are.

Isn't that person imposing their beliefs on them?
03-28-2017 08:05 PM
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You can't do anything about intolerance because every person has a limit on what they're tolerant of. Some people's limit stopped at school integration. Some stopped at gay marriage. Some stopped and trans issues. Some stopped at immigration. Some stopped at illegal immigration. Some stop at the opposition of those things.

The only way you can deal with it is to know that it's out there and ignore it.
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(03-25-2017 06:57 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  The question is; Can Donald Trump cobble together a coalition of centrist Democrats and centrist Republicans so as to finally get things done that desperately need doing? I am talking about a coalition that leaves both liberals and conservatives behind, center right and center left.
I hope so. Schumer, pelosi - meadows, rand paul. Opposite sides of the kook coin
03-28-2017 09:50 PM
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(03-25-2017 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  1) Hillary Clinton? Seriously? Not me. I have said lock her up along with Trump.
2) Do Democrats Really Want To Be The “One Size Of Liberalism Fits All” Party? No. We need plans that could help everybody. One size fits all does not answer the issues of everybody's problems.
3) Do Democrats Really Want To Be The Intolerant Fun Police? Not everybody. My motto is that nobody should be intolerant of others. That means race, religion, sex, age or the disable. We need to be respectful to each other no matter what views we have.
4) Do Democrats Represent Anyone Other Than The Most Liberal Americans? Yes. If I run for an office as a Democrat? I will Represent everyone. I will produce bills that will benefit everyone no matter what party you belong.
5) Has The Democratic Party Gotten Too Extreme? The Hillary Clinton crowd have gone way too far.
6) Can The Democratic Party Continue To Advocate For More Spending? We need spending, but we need to cut out all the pork. We are spending way too much on pork projects for both parties. If I am President? I would do line item veto on all the pork projects and tell the congress and Senate to present a separate bill for those things that does not belong in the bills.
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