(03-26-2017 01:22 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:09 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:05 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:03 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:59 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I'm not counting on any difference makers during Tubby's 5 years here.

That's a defeatist thought, Hoop.
Did you expect Rodney Carney to be a difference maker. Or DJ? Just as an example? Both were and they were low level recruits.

Fair enough.

My point stands - fill the schlarships with guys that have a pulse and put a TEAM together.

Last year was unacceptable in so many ways.

Agreed and you're right.

Last year, at least to me, was predictable and sort of a stepping stone year.

I could not have predicted these losses...

L 62-103 SMU
L 54-84 UCF

Of course they were bad losses but in the end I thought the record was where I expected or slightly better. THIS TEAM HAD 4 PLAYERS!
It takes time and patience to change a culture.

(03-26-2017 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Nick King has no defined position, really. You don't run plays through him. You put him out there and let him do his thing with some direction. He's an effort guy who does everything ok. At the end of the day, you look up and he's got 9 points 8 rebounds a block and 2 steals.
He's not a game changer and he's not spectacular. He's just a good kid and solid contributor.
Having said that, he wouldn't be a difference maker here. Contributor, sure. Difference maker, no.

daddy disagrees as do I for different reasons. Third program upcoming. Almost NEVER works even if the kid and dad get realistic. King is a very undersized PF who is well below average ball handler; does any of this occur to anyone that Bama wouldn't use him before his injury?

(03-26-2017 01:05 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:03 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:59 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Difference maker, no.

I'm not counting on any difference makers during Tubby's 5 years here.

That's a defeatist thought, Hoop.
Did you expect Rodney Carney to be a difference maker. Or DJ? Just as an example? Both were and they were low level recruits.

Fair enough.

My point stands - fill the schlarships with guys that have a pulse and put a TEAM together.

Last year was unacceptable in so many ways.

I'm going to give a little slack last year at this time. While I agree he didn't seem to aggressively seek out players, he had a lot of things to deal with. No excuses this year though...

(03-26-2017 01:50 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Nick King has no defined position, really. You don't run plays through him. You put him out there and let him do his thing with some direction. He's an effort guy who does everything ok. At the end of the day, you look up and he's got 9 points 8 rebounds a block and 2 steals.
He's not a game changer and he's not spectacular. He's just a good kid and solid contributor.
Having said that, he wouldn't be a difference maker here. Contributor, sure. Difference maker, no.

daddy disagrees as do I for different reasons. Third program upcoming. Almost NEVER works even if the kid and dad get realistic. King is a very undersized PF who is well below average ball handler; does any of this occur to anyone that Bama wouldn't use him before his injury?

It thought it was an illness? Nick could have really helped this season. I think we all know why he left. He saw what was coming in.

(03-26-2017 02:23 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:50 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Nick King has no defined position, really. You don't run plays through him. You put him out there and let him do his thing with some direction. He's an effort guy who does everything ok. At the end of the day, you look up and he's got 9 points 8 rebounds a block and 2 steals.
He's not a game changer and he's not spectacular. He's just a good kid and solid contributor.
Having said that, he wouldn't be a difference maker here. Contributor, sure. Difference maker, no.

daddy disagrees as do I for different reasons. Third program upcoming. Almost NEVER works even if the kid and dad get realistic. King is a very undersized PF who is well below average ball handler; does any of this occur to anyone that Bama wouldn't use him before his injury?

It thought it was an illness? Nick could have really helped this season. I think we all know why he left. He saw what was coming in.

Wrong

(03-26-2017 01:03 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:59 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Difference maker, no.

I'm not counting on any difference makers during Tubby's 5 years here.

However, in CBB the sum is greater than the parts.

Aside from about 6-8 teams each year.

Everyone is about the same.

We need size depth and will to win.

Players of all kind and not unused scholarships.

King is DI capable. If he buys in, then sure.

If not no biggie anyway.

A difference maker can be a key rebound in a close game. See Jordan Bell of Oregon vs Michigan. Dive on the floor, rebound a miss free throw etc.

All I know is that the Nick King that was at Memphis 2 yrs ago could definitely help us next year. I dont know if he is better, the same, or worse, but THAT player could contribute and any solid contributor could make a difference, and therefore be a difference maker.

(03-26-2017 01:03 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:59 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Difference maker, no.

I'm not counting on any difference makers during Tubby's 5 years here.

However, in CBB the sum is greater than the parts.

Aside from about 6-8 teams each year.

Everyone is about the same.

We need size depth and will to win.

Players of all kind and not unused scholarships.

King is DI capable. If he buys in, then sure.

If not no biggie anyway.

A difference maker can be a key rebound in a close game. See Jordan Bell of Oregon vs Michigan. Dive on the floor, rebound a miss free throw etc.

Jordan Bell was a 4 star.

(03-26-2017 02:57 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:03 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:59 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Difference maker, no.

I'm not counting on any difference makers during Tubby's 5 years here.

However, in CBB the sum is greater than the parts.

Aside from about 6-8 teams each year.

Everyone is about the same.

We need size depth and will to win.

Players of all kind and not unused scholarships.

King is DI capable. If he buys in, then sure.

If not no biggie anyway.

A difference maker can be a key rebound in a close game. See Jordan Bell of Oregon vs Michigan. Dive on the floor, rebound a miss free throw etc.

All I know is that the Nick King that was at Memphis 2 yrs ago could definitely help us next year. I dont know if he is better, the same, or worse, but THAT player could contribute and any solid contributor could make a difference, and therefore be a difference maker.

You set a precedent when you let quitters come back. Current and ex players don't like it. Coaches who are desperate enough to do it, grin and bear it through clenched teeth.

Any D1 player would help our current roster at this point. Anyone counting on the kids Tubby coming in and being anything but ordinary freshmen are, in all probability, making a mistake. That's based on history of their ratings. You can go dig research exceptions (Carney was a THREE STAR BTW) but you won't find enough to go around to the hundreds of schools that recruit and develop these lower level kids fir usually a return in 2-3 years. At our high D1 level, it could be identical to what Tubby brought in this year. Nothing.

What other Tigers left and came back? I can think of a couple. Donneal Mack and Vincent Askew. Anybody else?

(03-26-2017 04:29 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  What other Tigers left and came back? I can think of a couple. Donneal Mack and Vincent Askew. Anybody else?

Sunday Adebayo

(03-26-2017 04:36 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 04:29 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  What other Tigers left and came back? I can think of a couple. Donneal Mack and Vincent Askew. Anybody else?

Sunday Adebayo

For some reason I thought he started at and then went back to Arkansas after playing with us. My memory of him is fuzzy I guess.

(03-26-2017 04:40 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 04:36 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 04:29 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  What other Tigers left and came back? I can think of a couple. Donneal Mack and Vincent Askew. Anybody else?

Sunday Adebayo

For some reason I thought he started at and then went back to Arkansas after playing with us. My memory of him is fuzzy I guess.

Actually, I think you are right and I am wrong! Im the fuzzy one, I believe.

He wasn't here long enough to be too memorable.

(03-26-2017 03:00 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:03 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:59 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Difference maker, no.

I'm not counting on any difference makers during Tubby's 5 years here.

However, in CBB the sum is greater than the parts.

Aside from about 6-8 teams each year.

Everyone is about the same.

We need size depth and will to win.

Players of all kind and not unused scholarships.

King is DI capable. If he buys in, then sure.

If not no biggie anyway.

A difference maker can be a key rebound in a close game. See Jordan Bell of Oregon vs Michigan. Dive on the floor, rebound a miss free throw etc.

Jordan Bell was a 4 star.

High strung guy...requiring really strong coaching. lol He seemed to be at the center of some fighting in one of the last huddles.

I loved his answer to the interview person after the win.
"I think I did good."

(03-26-2017 04:50 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  He wasn't here long enough to be too memorable.

You're right again. He had some ability though. Undersized 4.

(03-26-2017 04:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:57 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:03 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:59 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Difference maker, no.

I'm not counting on any difference makers during Tubby's 5 years here.

However, in CBB the sum is greater than the parts.

Aside from about 6-8 teams each year.

Everyone is about the same.

We need size depth and will to win.

Players of all kind and not unused scholarships.

King is DI capable. If he buys in, then sure.

If not no biggie anyway.

A difference maker can be a key rebound in a close game. See Jordan Bell of Oregon vs Michigan. Dive on the floor, rebound a miss free throw etc.

All I know is that the Nick King that was at Memphis 2 yrs ago could definitely help us next year. I dont know if he is better, the same, or worse, but THAT player could contribute and any solid contributor could make a difference, and therefore be a difference maker.

You set a precedent when you let quitters come back. Current and ex players don't like it. Coaches who are desperate enough to do it, grin and bear it through clenched teeth.

Any D1 player would help our current roster at this point. Anyone counting on the kids Tubby coming in and being anything but ordinary freshmen are, in all probability, making a mistake. That's based on history of their ratings. You can go dig research exceptions (Carney was a THREE STAR BTW) but you won't find enough to go around to the hundreds of schools that recruit and develop these lower level kids fir usually a return in 2-3 years. At our high D1 level, it could be identical to what Tubby brought in this year. Nothing.

Perhaps, but he did not quit on Tubby, he quit on Pastner. If you consider anyone who transfers a quitter (which I dont), and have a stance against quitters, I guess you should never accept a transfer. We had players leaving left and right - they werent quitting in Memphis & I dont blame anyone that left during thise last few years. Now, I could see not taking a player back that quit on you as a coach, but we are essentially a completely different program now.

(03-26-2017 01:50 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:22 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:09 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:05 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:03 PM)450bench Wrote:  That's a defeatist thought, Hoop.
Did you expect Rodney Carney to be a difference maker. Or DJ? Just as an example? Both were and they were low level recruits.

Fair enough.

My point stands - fill the schlarships with guys that have a pulse and put a TEAM together.

Last year was unacceptable in so many ways.

Agreed and you're right.

Last year, at least to me, was predictable and sort of a stepping stone year.

I could not have predicted these losses...

L 62-103 SMU
L 54-84 UCF

Of course they were bad losses but in the end I thought the record was where I expected or slightly better. THIS TEAM HAD 4 PLAYERS!
It takes time and patience to change a culture.

I know it had 4 players--after Chad went by by.

Some are of the opinion that Tubby had chances to get more players but didn't put much energy into recruiting. I don't know.

The fact remains that we are in a hole--player wise.

And the irony is, Tubby gets to prove he can do the very thing for which he has been criticized everywhere he goes.

Go Tubby! Get us some players!
There.. did I get a little of my positive spin back. lol

I think it's important to note that the players who supposedly quit on Tubby were Pastners leftovers. Lawson's, Crawford were to be the leaders and they failed to lead a young team as players.

Hopefully those 3 guys grow up over the summer and become better team leaders.

I just think to be fair to Tubby is those weren't guys he recruited.

(03-26-2017 12:44 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:37 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:33 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:32 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 12:30 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Respectfully, wtf? Sure he's not a program changer or an elite player. As a senior grad transfer he'd have to be good enough. He was good enough to be an 8th or 9th man on a much more talented roster several years ago. Is he so bad now he can't even be a bench player or sixth man on this team? What has happened to him?

HAS TO PLAY THE 3

Apparently it's attitude or family issues

Who is our projected 3 anyway next year? And what is a 3 exactly? Some teams start 4 guards

I'd be more inclined to say "daddy" issues more than anything. Nick had a very pleasant and respectful demeanor when he was a player here.

LOL. So now you think King is a guard????

No, did I say that? God you can be obtuse. My point is "positions" don't mean as much as they used to. They are fluid. You don't have to start a true 1,2,3,4,&5. Just throw guys out there and run the offense

(03-26-2017 01:36 PM)Cletus Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 10:45 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  Nick isn't the answer

In the two seasons since he left Memphis has Nick King learned to go to his right yet?



.

Who cares? Does every player on the team have to be able to go both ways, score with either hand, hit 90% from the line and 40% from 3 and defend positions 1-5 on the floor?

I know he can do several things well at the D-1 high major level. Rebound, get putbacks, draw fouls in the lane, and hustle.