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(04-05-2017 07:52 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Dennis Dodd: AAC presidents to vote this week on adding Wichita State; could begin play in fall

And how exactly do you feel about this?

News is potentially devastating for real Monarch fans

Ehh. We weren't potentially going anywhere until the next big shakeup anyway (if there even is another one)

Devastating? How so? We need the whole thing to unravel. This doesn't matter one bit. ESPN plummeting viewership does. All in all good news.

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I dunno. If AAC signs number 12... when will the door for open again?

I'd prefer the one-step to AAC solution. We go in nice and neat. I think WSU slows this down for us for another 10 years!

(04-06-2017 12:41 AM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  I dunno. If AAC signs number 12... when will the door for open again?

I'd prefer the one-step to AAC solution. We go in nice and neat. I think WSU slows this down for us for another 10 years!

The problem is this actually makes all the numbers even for football, m/w basketball now. So really the only way we get in is if someone leaves, which wasn't much different from the situation before. The difference is, if 2 leave, they may opt to not add any new members, which would suck for us the most.

In all honesty, when the shakeup happens in a few years, it might be best if the CUSA divides itself. CUSA would actually be pretty strong if they got rid of a few teams. (F_U, N.Texas, UTSA)

It all depends on the next TV contract. Do the networks buy the P6 rhetoric of not? If they get a nice deal them there may not be a shakeup for a decade. But if they stat about the same or are valued less some schools are going to wonder why they are flying their volleyball team across the country or realize that SMU is not a football ticket draw I Connecticut and vice versa.

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I'd be happy if 6-7 of the eastern CUSA teams split (UAB, MTSU WKU, MU, ODU, Charlotte and maybe USM) and added 3-4 others to form a 10 team, more regional conference. If 3 additions, I would take Ga State, App State and Liberty. If 4, then add Ga Southern. That would really tighten up the geography and give everyone a logical travel partner.

I know Liberty is polarizing, but I like their commitment to growth, their TV connections and their proximity to ODU. I would much rather have a dedicated athletic department than one that is going through the motions.

I think 10 teams would be about ideal. It would maximize the football payout and allow a complete round-robin schedule. It would also minimize the sub-200 rpi basketball programs. It's tough at our level to find schools with dedication to both of the revenue sports.

(04-06-2017 12:41 AM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  I dunno. If AAC signs number 12... when will the door for open again?

I'd prefer the one-step to AAC solution. We go in nice and neat. I think WSU slows this down for us for another 10 years!

Any sooner-than-later chance, which was remote at best, ended when the Big XII decided not to expand.
The next window of opportunity, albeit very small, will be coincident with the expiration of the AAC ESPN contracts; 2019 for football, and 2019/2020 for basketball.

Realistically, our best chance won't occur until the end of the GoRs; 2025/2026 for the PAC XII, B1G, and Big XII. At that time there will likely be some, maybe even substantial movement.
The SEC could add, but won't lose anyone, like the ACC, which extended it's GoR through 2036.

We now have a competitive G5 football program and will soon have a new stadium that is commensurate with projected attendance.
Ironically, our football program (along with our television market) is what put us in the AAC discussion in the first place. Unfortunately, it may be questions about our MBB that ultimately precluded more serious consideration.

The bottom line is that, barring a complete shake-up within the G5, we likely won't have alternative conference opportunities until 2026.
Even then, we must maintain our football and increase our attention to basketball, IMHO.

@Maryland Monarch

I like that approach too, assuming we can somehow get away with taking those schools. The only change I would make is bringing in JMU instead of Liberty. They are just as dedicated to athletics, have a history of success with football, and it would be an instant rival to have (something we sorely miss).

(04-07-2017 08:01 AM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I'd be happy if 6-7 of the eastern CUSA teams split (UAB, MTSU WKU, MU, ODU, Charlotte and maybe USM) and added 3-4 others to form a 10 team, more regional conference. If 3 additions, I would take Ga State, App State and Liberty. If 4, then add Ga Southern. That would really tighten up the geography and give everyone a logical travel partner.

I know Liberty is polarizing, but I like their commitment to growth, their TV connections and their proximity to ODU. I would much rather have a dedicated athletic department than one that is going through the motions.

I think 10 teams would be about ideal. It would maximize the football payout and allow a complete round-robin schedule. It would also minimize the sub-200 rpi basketball programs. It's tough at our level to find schools with dedication to both of the revenue sports.

Add La Tech and make it an 8-team conference. Forget the GSUs, App State and Liberty. No need for it. All you are doing is sweeping sand from one side of the room to the other and replacing 300+ RPI basketball programs with more 300+ RPI programs.

By the way, the move was just made official

(04-07-2017 08:01 AM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I'd be happy if 6-7 of the eastern CUSA teams split (UAB, MTSU WKU, MU, ODU, Charlotte and maybe USM) and added 3-4 others to form a 10 team, more regional conference. If 3 additions, I would take Ga State, App State and Liberty. If 4, then add Ga Southern. That would really tighten up the geography and give everyone a logical travel partner.

I know Liberty is polarizing, but I like their commitment to growth, their TV connections and their proximity to ODU. I would much rather have a dedicated athletic department than one that is going through the motions.

I think 10 teams would be about ideal. It would maximize the football payout and allow a complete round-robin schedule. It would also minimize the sub-200 rpi basketball programs. It's tough at our level to find schools with dedication to both of the revenue sports.

This is a great idea. Make it a 12 team conference by adding GS and JMU. This would be a vast improvement over what we have now.

Any new conference will require a revenue stream. There would have to be a presumptive media contract that would provide at worst a break even for the programs involved. This could be problematic with existing SBC members Ga St and Ga So and maybe even App as they might not see enough reduction in operating costs to justify what would surely be a smaller media contract.
Additionally NCAA payouts would have to be negotiated if indeed the NCAA allows this at all.
The above also applies to the existing CUSA candidates.

Liberty and JMU will require FBS transition, so any conference with them included would need to be viable for two years without them.
JMU may be even more problematic as, forum posters aside, it may have no intention of moving up, and even if it does, the Legislature must now approve of the move.

A lot of parts would have to fall into place

(04-07-2017 09:55 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Any new conference will require a revenue stream. There would have to be a presumptive media contract that would provide at worst a break even for the programs involved. This could be problematic with existing SBC members Ga St and Ga So and maybe even App as they might not see enough reduction in operating costs to justify what would surely be a smaller media contract.
Additionally NCAA payouts would have to be negotiated if indeed the NCAA allows this at all.
The above also applies to the existing CUSA candidates.

Liberty and JMU will require FBS transition, so any conference with them included would need to be viable for two years without them.
JMU may be even more problematic as, forum posters aside, it may have no intention of moving up, and even if it does, the Legislature must now approve of the move.

A lot of parts would have to fall into place

Is there any way we can just kick F_U, UTSA and UNT out of the current conference? Aren't there attendence requirements, among others, that they are not meeting?

(04-07-2017 10:08 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 09:55 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Any new conference will require a revenue stream. There would have to be a presumptive media contract that would provide at worst a break even for the programs involved. This could be problematic with existing SBC members Ga St and Ga So and maybe even App as they might not see enough reduction in operating costs to justify what would surely be a smaller media contract.
Additionally NCAA payouts would have to be negotiated if indeed the NCAA allows this at all.
The above also applies to the existing CUSA candidates.

Liberty and JMU will require FBS transition, so any conference with them included would need to be viable for two years without them.
JMU may be even more problematic as, forum posters aside, it may have no intention of moving up, and even if it does, the Legislature must now approve of the move.

A lot of parts would have to fall into place

Is there any way we can just kick F_U, UTSA and UNT out of the current conference? Aren't there attendence requirements, among others, that they are not meeting?

I assume there would at least be a monetary penalty involved, since as a school joining a conference you would want something in place to prevent you from getting kicked out after some bad years. If it is money, I have a feeling CUSA is not rich enough to pay for these others to leave and it's "easier" for them to just stick with them. Not that I approve of that. Kicking out those 4 schools would do wonders for us.

So who does the MVC add to replace WSU? Is there any chance this affects CUSA via the trickle down?

(04-07-2017 11:52 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  So who does the MVC add to replace WSU? Is there any chance this affects CUSA via the trickle down?

The MVC plays 1-AA Football so unless a CUSA member wants to drop down, no.

(04-07-2017 12:00 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 11:52 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  So who does the MVC add to replace WSU? Is there any chance this affects CUSA via the trickle down?

The MVC plays 1-AA Football so unless a CUSA member wants to drop down, no.

True, didn't think of that. I was focused on the Hoops.

(04-07-2017 09:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:01 AM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I'd be happy if 6-7 of the eastern CUSA teams split (UAB, MTSU WKU, MU, ODU, Charlotte and maybe USM) and added 3-4 others to form a 10 team, more regional conference. If 3 additions, I would take Ga State, App State and Liberty. If 4, then add Ga Southern. That would really tighten up the geography and give everyone a logical travel partner.

I know Liberty is polarizing, but I like their commitment to growth, their TV connections and their proximity to ODU. I would much rather have a dedicated athletic department than one that is going through the motions.

I think 10 teams would be about ideal. It would maximize the football payout and allow a complete round-robin schedule. It would also minimize the sub-200 rpi basketball programs. It's tough at our level to find schools with dedication to both of the revenue sports.

Add La Tech and make it an 8-team conference. Forget the GSUs, App State and Liberty. No need for it. All you are doing is sweeping sand from one side of the room to the other and replacing 300+ RPI basketball programs with more 300+ RPI programs.

We are not a 300 RPI program and have not been for years. But yeah if we are talking Liberty and La tech, pass.

(04-07-2017 09:55 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Any new conference will require a revenue stream. There would have to be a presumptive media contract that would provide at worst a break even for the programs involved. This could be problematic with existing SBC members Ga St and Ga So and maybe even App as they might not see enough reduction in operating costs to justify what would surely be a smaller media contract.
Additionally NCAA payouts would have to be negotiated if indeed the NCAA allows this at all.
The above also applies to the existing CUSA candidates.

Liberty and JMU will require FBS transition, so any conference with them included would need to be viable for two years without them.
JMU may be even more problematic as, forum posters aside, it may have no intention of moving up, and even if it does, the Legislature must now approve of the move.

A lot of parts would have to fall into place

I dont think any of us is making enough from media for it to make that much of a difference.