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If Cinci leaves I could see us being a candidate. We'll just have to see if we can continue the momentum and keep making bowls and maybe a few ncaa's before then so we're more attractive.

(04-12-2017 09:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I've some good news for you if you are ODU fan looking to find a spot in the AAC.

The AAC had been last year looking west for replacements in case of defections. The top 3 names I had been hearing were WKU, USM and Rice. This made a lot of sense to me with only 5 schools in the western pod of the AAC (Tulsa, Rice, Houston, Tulane and Memphis) with a conference at 11 overall.

However when it came to picking that western school they didn't go with WKU, USM or Rice. They went with Wichita State to give them a 6th team in the western pod. This is a big blow to WKU, USM and Rice since the west is now full.

The consensus if a school were to leave is the AAC for a variety of reasons it would be Cincinnati which is in the eastern pod. ODU fits nicely in the east for the AAC between ECU and Navy so would be a nice fit for an eastern pod.

These are the options really for the east:

Army-May not want the AAC because its too tough.
UMass-Can't get the votes from the southern schools.
Buffalo-Better than UMass IMO but a shaky football team.
Ohio-Wants to see the AAC land a big TV deal first.
ODU-Good all around candidate and would jump for the AAC.
Charlotte-Football waters down the AAC.
Georgia St-Still pretty raw as a high mid major school.
FIU-I think the Florida schools will block this one.

Scenario:

PAC (Texas, Rice)
B12 (Colorado St, Cincinnati)
AAC (Old Dominion)
MWC (UTEP)
CUSA (NMSU)

This is something I could see pretty easily in another 5 years or so, IMO.

So the trigger would be Texas to the PAC. Not sure why that would ever happen. Texas isn't even good at either sport right now and they still make more $ than anyone as is. It obviously ain't broke and it would be a huge mistake for them to change what is working (and give up their individual power).

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(04-12-2017 09:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I've some good news for you if you are ODU fan looking to find a spot in the AAC.

The AAC had been last year looking west for replacements in case of defections. The top 3 names I had been hearing were WKU, USM and Rice. This made a lot of sense to me with only 5 schools in the western pod of the AAC (Tulsa, Rice, Houston, Tulane and Memphis) with a conference at 11 overall.

However when it came to picking that western school they didn't go with WKU, USM or Rice. They went with Wichita State to give them a 6th team in the western pod. This is a big blow to WKU, USM and Rice since the west is now full.

The consensus if a school were to leave is the AAC for a variety of reasons it would be Cincinnati which is in the eastern pod. ODU fits nicely in the east for the AAC between ECU and Navy so would be a nice fit for an eastern pod.

These are the options really for the east:

Army-May not want the AAC because its too tough.
UMass-Can't get the votes from the southern schools.
Buffalo-Better than UMass IMO but a shaky football team.
Ohio-Wants to see the AAC land a big TV deal first.
ODU-Good all around candidate and would jump for the AAC.
Charlotte-Football waters down the AAC.
Georgia St-Still pretty raw as a high mid major school.
FIU-I think the Florida schools will block this one.

Scenario:

PAC (Texas, Rice)
B12 (Colorado St, Cincinnati)
AAC (Old Dominion)
MWC (UTEP)
CUSA (NMSU)

This is something I could see pretty easily in another 5 years or so, IMO.

In that scenario, I wonder if CUSA gets out of the Texas/New Mexico business entirely with UTEP and Rice gone, adds three Southeastern schools (say Georgia State, JMU and Appalachian/GaSo/UMass football/whoever), then nudges UTSA and North Texas to join the Sun Belt, where at least there'd be Texas State, ULL, ULM, and Arkansas State to create a west-leaning division.

Of course, the fear is that the Big 12 takes two teams from the AAC, which then says "nope, we're cool" and leaves the table at 10/11. Which opens the door for VCU or Dayton to blink first and be No. 12 in hoops.

(04-13-2017 12:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I've some good news for you if you are ODU fan looking to find a spot in the AAC.

The AAC had been last year looking west for replacements in case of defections. The top 3 names I had been hearing were WKU, USM and Rice. This made a lot of sense to me with only 5 schools in the western pod of the AAC (Tulsa, Rice, Houston, Tulane and Memphis) with a conference at 11 overall.

However when it came to picking that western school they didn't go with WKU, USM or Rice. They went with Wichita State to give them a 6th team in the western pod. This is a big blow to WKU, USM and Rice since the west is now full.

The consensus if a school were to leave is the AAC for a variety of reasons it would be Cincinnati which is in the eastern pod. ODU fits nicely in the east for the AAC between ECU and Navy so would be a nice fit for an eastern pod.

These are the options really for the east:

Army-May not want the AAC because its too tough.
UMass-Can't get the votes from the southern schools.
Buffalo-Better than UMass IMO but a shaky football team.
Ohio-Wants to see the AAC land a big TV deal first.
ODU-Good all around candidate and would jump for the AAC.
Charlotte-Football waters down the AAC.
Georgia St-Still pretty raw as a high mid major school.
FIU-I think the Florida schools will block this one.

Scenario:

PAC (Texas, Rice)
B12 (Colorado St, Cincinnati)
AAC (Old Dominion)
MWC (UTEP)
CUSA (NMSU)

This is something I could see pretty easily in another 5 years or so, IMO.

In that scenario, I wonder if CUSA gets out of the Texas/New Mexico business entirely with UTEP and Rice gone, adds three Southeastern schools (say Georgia State, JMU and Appalachian/GaSo/UMass football/whoever), then nudges UTSA and North Texas to join the Sun Belt, where at least there'd be Texas State, ULL, ULM, and Arkansas State to create a west-leaning division.

Of course, the fear is that the Big 12 takes two teams from the AAC, which then says "nope, we're cool" and leaves the table at 10/11. Which opens the door for VCU or Dayton to blink first and be No. 12 in hoops.

Would one of the teams the Big 12 takes is Navy? Otherwise that scenario wouldn't play out. AAC currently has 12 teams in FB and Basketball, with Navy being a FB only and WSU being an Olympics only. So if Big 12 takes Houston and Cincinnati, the AAC would be sitting at an even 10/10 FB/Oly split.

(04-13-2017 12:47 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I've some good news for you if you are ODU fan looking to find a spot in the AAC.

The AAC had been last year looking west for replacements in case of defections. The top 3 names I had been hearing were WKU, USM and Rice. This made a lot of sense to me with only 5 schools in the western pod of the AAC (Tulsa, Rice, Houston, Tulane and Memphis) with a conference at 11 overall.

However when it came to picking that western school they didn't go with WKU, USM or Rice. They went with Wichita State to give them a 6th team in the western pod. This is a big blow to WKU, USM and Rice since the west is now full.

The consensus if a school were to leave is the AAC for a variety of reasons it would be Cincinnati which is in the eastern pod. ODU fits nicely in the east for the AAC between ECU and Navy so would be a nice fit for an eastern pod.

These are the options really for the east:

Army-May not want the AAC because its too tough.
UMass-Can't get the votes from the southern schools.
Buffalo-Better than UMass IMO but a shaky football team.
Ohio-Wants to see the AAC land a big TV deal first.
ODU-Good all around candidate and would jump for the AAC.
Charlotte-Football waters down the AAC.
Georgia St-Still pretty raw as a high mid major school.
FIU-I think the Florida schools will block this one.

Scenario:

PAC (Texas, Rice)
B12 (Colorado St, Cincinnati)
AAC (Old Dominion)
MWC (UTEP)
CUSA (NMSU)

This is something I could see pretty easily in another 5 years or so, IMO.

In that scenario, I wonder if CUSA gets out of the Texas/New Mexico business entirely with UTEP and Rice gone, adds three Southeastern schools (say Georgia State, JMU and Appalachian/GaSo/UMass football/whoever), then nudges UTSA and North Texas to join the Sun Belt, where at least there'd be Texas State, ULL, ULM, and Arkansas State to create a west-leaning division.

Of course, the fear is that the Big 12 takes two teams from the AAC, which then says "nope, we're cool" and leaves the table at 10/11. Which opens the door for VCU or Dayton to blink first and be No. 12 in hoops.

Would one of the teams the Big 12 takes is Navy? Otherwise that scenario wouldn't play out. AAC currently has 12 teams in FB and Basketball, with Navy being a FB only and WSU being an Olympics only. So if Big 12 takes Houston and Cincinnati, the AAC would be sitting at an even 10/10 FB/Oly split.

You're right; I'm so used to thinking of the AAC as X/X+1 that I instinctively did the math in removing two teams (though I guess it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that the B12 takes Navy football).

In this case, they're 10/10 and shut it down or take VCU and Dayton and finish at 10/12.

Hi, I'm a Memphis fan who has lurked here from time to time whenever B12/AAC expansion talk heats up primarily because ODU has been occasionally mentioned as an AAC addition.

Some factual errors in your scenario:

The AAC only has divisions for football, none for basketball. Wichita wasn't added to any division or "pod" and its addition has nothing to do with the anticipation of any B12 expansion for a number of reasons, primarily that any expansion would mean the loss of a football school which would be replaced by another football school if there was one loss, or not replaced at all if there were two losses (according to commissioner Aresco). Wichita had zero to do with any balance subsequent to a loss. The school was added as a cash cow for tourney credits and to increase the league's bball image.

AAC West:

SMU
Tulsa
Navy
Houston
Memphis
Tulane

AAC East

UConn
Cincy
Temple
ECU
UCF
USF

As far as WKU, USM, or Rice being mentioned as replacements for any losses, I have never heard of any of those being considered, at least on the AAC member boards, and the Cincy and Memphis threads on B12 realignment literally number in the hundreds of pages. Maybe USM as a sentimental favorite of a few, but certainly not WKU or Rice. I have heard ODU mentioned far more than either of those three. If UAB is able to show sustained institutional and fan support for football, maybe them too. But then again, this is just message board chatter so who knows.

At this point though no one in the AAC anticipates B12 expansion until after their GOR and ESPN contract expires in 2025. At the time of the B12's beauty pageant contest last summer where every AAC school made a sort of swimsuit presentation, the conference's deal with ESPN said that if any new schools were added, the new school would receive a full $20 million share paid by ESPN and not coming out of the existing schools' shares. Needless to say ESPN was not happy about the possibility of shelling out an extra $40 million per year if they expanded by 2. So, what did the B12 and ESPN do? ESPN bought out that provision for a lump sum paid to the schools. In other words, in the future any media money for a newbie would come out of the hides of the current members which likely means no expansion. B12 expansion talk appears to have been a nice ploy to extort money from ESPN, and it worked. ESPN already gets the TV rights to Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, USF, Tulane and anyone else in the AAC for peanuts. So why would it want to pay any of those schools $20 million each in a new conference when it gets the whole AAC for $22 million?

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...ig-12.aspx

Excuse my long-windedness and digression. I would think ODU would be a fine addition if and when the time arises, as well as UAB if it can right that ship. If Cincy or UConn left, ODU would fit in the East, and if Houston left UAB could be in the West. Again, though, Wichita as a bball school is a non factor in expansion.

Thank you for your insights. I, for one, truly appreciate it.

(04-13-2017 02:02 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Thank you for your insights. I, for one, truly appreciate it.

You're such a gentleman, Aggie!

When I use those same words, it's typically a dig at someone.

(04-13-2017 12:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:47 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I've some good news for you if you are ODU fan looking to find a spot in the AAC.

The AAC had been last year looking west for replacements in case of defections. The top 3 names I had been hearing were WKU, USM and Rice. This made a lot of sense to me with only 5 schools in the western pod of the AAC (Tulsa, Rice, Houston, Tulane and Memphis) with a conference at 11 overall.

However when it came to picking that western school they didn't go with WKU, USM or Rice. They went with Wichita State to give them a 6th team in the western pod. This is a big blow to WKU, USM and Rice since the west is now full.

The consensus if a school were to leave is the AAC for a variety of reasons it would be Cincinnati which is in the eastern pod. ODU fits nicely in the east for the AAC between ECU and Navy so would be a nice fit for an eastern pod.

These are the options really for the east:

Army-May not want the AAC because its too tough.
UMass-Can't get the votes from the southern schools.
Buffalo-Better than UMass IMO but a shaky football team.
Ohio-Wants to see the AAC land a big TV deal first.
ODU-Good all around candidate and would jump for the AAC.
Charlotte-Football waters down the AAC.
Georgia St-Still pretty raw as a high mid major school.
FIU-I think the Florida schools will block this one.

Scenario:

PAC (Texas, Rice)
B12 (Colorado St, Cincinnati)
AAC (Old Dominion)
MWC (UTEP)
CUSA (NMSU)

This is something I could see pretty easily in another 5 years or so, IMO.

In that scenario, I wonder if CUSA gets out of the Texas/New Mexico business entirely with UTEP and Rice gone, adds three Southeastern schools (say Georgia State, JMU and Appalachian/GaSo/UMass football/whoever), then nudges UTSA and North Texas to join the Sun Belt, where at least there'd be Texas State, ULL, ULM, and Arkansas State to create a west-leaning division.

Of course, the fear is that the Big 12 takes two teams from the AAC, which then says "nope, we're cool" and leaves the table at 10/11. Which opens the door for VCU or Dayton to blink first and be No. 12 in hoops.

Would one of the teams the Big 12 takes is Navy? Otherwise that scenario wouldn't play out. AAC currently has 12 teams in FB and Basketball, with Navy being a FB only and WSU being an Olympics only. So if Big 12 takes Houston and Cincinnati, the AAC would be sitting at an even 10/10 FB/Oly split.

You're right; I'm so used to thinking of the AAC as X/X+1 that I instinctively did the math in removing two teams (though I guess it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that the B12 takes Navy football).

In this case, they're 10/10 and shut it down or take VCU and Dayton and finish at 10/12.

This is the first time I've seen Virginia Commonwealth listed for the B12.

Rice was mentioned many times as a potential replacement for Houston, both in local Houston media elsewhere.

(04-13-2017 04:03 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Rice was mentioned many times as a potential replacement for Houston, both in local Houston media elsewhere.

Rice's attendance for basketball is less than 1,000 per game. Don't see that happening.

(04-13-2017 04:06 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:03 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Rice was mentioned many times as a potential replacement for Houston, both in local Houston media elsewhere.

Rice's attendance for basketball is less than 1,000 per game. Don't see that happening.

Not much different from Tulane.

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