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RE: 2018 Football Recruiting
We have 6 or 7 scholarships to offer.

Let's say best case, we get the Kiuthes back and 3 3* and a project or two with the rest. How does that stack up with
1) Rest of CUSA?
2) Any Rice recruiting class since at least the demise of the WAC-16?

For the life of me, I can't really imagine why anyone willing to come here with Bailiff would not be willing to come here with Bloomgren.
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I've stopped posting everybody that Coach Mack and Smith follow on Twitter because it's too much to keep up with and a lot of them are probably meaningless.. But one did just catch my eye...

Coach Mack just followed (and got followed back by) EMCC, "Last Chance U," QB Lindsey Scott. He actually has a fairly benign past... Went to LSU out of high school and transferred this past spring by choice.

If we get him, that would be a sign that things have truly changed around here, haha.

Looks like Tulane and WMU are the two schools he's most interested in.
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(12-11-2017 08:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  For the life of me, I can't really imagine why anyone willing to come here with Bailiff would not be willing to come here with Bloomgren.

I thought the same. That said, did you ever watch the show Blue Mountain State? The backup QB wanted to remain a backup cause he was a FB player but enjoyed sitting on the bench and the country club atmosphere was perfect
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(12-11-2017 09:30 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 08:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  For the life of me, I can't really imagine why anyone willing to come here with Bailiff would not be willing to come here with Bloomgren.
I thought the same. That said, did you ever watch the show Blue Mountain State? The backup QB wanted to remain a backup cause he was a FB player but enjoyed sitting on the bench and the country club atmosphere was perfect

I don't think this staff would want anyone who fits that mold.
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Current commit OT Ryan Booth just committed to Air Force. Hopefully because we have some of coach Bloomgrens guys coming in.

He was our highest rated OT (2 star) but once you’re at that ranking I feel like you’re splitting hairs.
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(12-11-2017 09:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 09:30 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 08:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  For the life of me, I can't really imagine why anyone willing to come here with Bailiff would not be willing to come here with Bloomgren.
I thought the same. That said, did you ever watch the show Blue Mountain State? The backup QB wanted to remain a backup cause he was a FB player but enjoyed sitting on the bench and the country club atmosphere was perfect

I don't think this staff would want anyone who fits that mold.

I certainly hope not.
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First Bloomgren offer from the Sunshine state...

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(12-11-2017 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  First Bloomgren offer from the Sunshine state...

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Here's a video on Riley, post on the Stanford board. 3-star QB. Stanford was hoping to bring him in as a preferred walk-on since they had no remaining scholarships...

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...ith-179843
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(12-11-2017 10:13 AM)THRILL Wrote:  I have a hot one, Jack Masters MLB for McCallum ,Austin.
District Defensive MVP and the Coach just raves about his football IQ

I have it on good authority he wants to go to Rice.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/7503646/jack-masters

We already have a MLB, we don't need him. LOl

Hope we get him !
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(12-12-2017 09:27 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  First Bloomgren offer from the Sunshine state...

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Excited to receive an offer from Rice University ! @RiceFootball @mbloom11

Here's a video on Riley, post on the Stanford board. 3-star QB. Stanford was hoping to bring him in as a preferred walk-on since they had no remaining scholarships...

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...ith-179843

Would be a great get. Need a clean slate and full competition at every position, especially at QB.
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(12-12-2017 10:24 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Would be a great get. Need a clean slate and full competition at every position, especially at QB.

We need a coach who is a QB whisperer!
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(12-12-2017 10:24 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 09:27 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  First Bloomgren offer from the Sunshine state...

Quote:Riley Smith
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Excited to receive an offer from Rice University ! @RiceFootball @mbloom11

Here's a video on Riley, post on the Stanford board. 3-star QB. Stanford was hoping to bring him in as a preferred walk-on since they had no remaining scholarships...

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...ith-179843

Would be a great get. Need a clean slate and full competition at every position, especially at QB.

Besides QB I think the most impact will be made with some solid offensive and defensive line editions. Since Bloomgren is an offensive line guy I’m not too worried about that. I’ll be interested to see who we can bring in on Dline. Probably one of the toughest positions for us to recruit and it has a major impact on the game.
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(12-12-2017 10:41 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 10:24 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 09:27 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  First Bloomgren offer from the Sunshine state...

Quote:Riley Smith
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Excited to receive an offer from Rice University ! @RiceFootball @mbloom11

Here's a video on Riley, post on the Stanford board. 3-star QB. Stanford was hoping to bring him in as a preferred walk-on since they had no remaining scholarships...

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...ith-179843

Would be a great get. Need a clean slate and full competition at every position, especially at QB.

Besides QB I think the most impact will be made with some solid offensive and defensive line editions. Since Bloomgren is an offensive line guy I’m not too worried about that. I’ll be interested to see who we can bring in on Dline. Probably one of the toughest positions for us to recruit and it has a major impact on the game.

It is the toughest position to find quality players at all levels of football and only quarterback out ranks it in importance.
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Ryan Booth (OT) from San Antonio Churchill has de-committed from Rice and chosen to attend the Air Force Academy.
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(12-12-2017 10:41 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  Besides QB I think the most impact will be made with some solid offensive and defensive line editions. Since Bloomgren is an offensive line guy I’m not too worried about that. I’ll be interested to see who we can bring in on Dline. Probably one of the toughest positions for us to recruit and it has a major impact on the game.

I've said it before, one advantage of the option is that the kind of linemen you recruit for offense, generally smaller and quicker, are the kind that you need on defense, and you can move linemen back and forth to some extent, as needed. If you're in a spread, you need a bunch of 300+ pound pass protectors who can't play defense. And you need a drop-back quarterback who can't play anywhere else, whereas option quarterbacks tend to be athletes first who can play safety (or even linebacker).

I'm not arguing for the option. I'm just stating why I think it works well for the academies. I think you have to throw the ball more than option teams do in order to be able to win. I like something like what Paul Johnson did with Erk Russell at Georgia Southern and Bob Wagner at Hawaii, where they combined the option and the run-and-shoot. Still love watching videos of the likes of Tracy Ham in the 1-AA playoffs or Garret Gabriel and Ivin Jasper lighting up teams like BYU and Notre Dame. I still think it would be an appropriate use of our guys' intellectual capabilities to combine the option (11 plays, all running, inside veer, outside veer, inside reverse, outside reverse, trap, trap option, counter option, midline, midline option, jet sweep, double option), the run-and-shoot (6 plays, all passes, choice, go, slide, smash, streak, switch) and the Air Raid (6 plays, all passes, verticals, mesh, shallow cross, sail, wheel, cross) with a few screens and draws. I think that is a sufficiently limited playbook that we could execute all of it well, and that puts defenses in a terrible quandary. In particular, it puts Ruowls's guy to stress under incredible stress.

The West Coast passing game plus power running is what Holmgren knows. It's not exactly what I prefer, but it's close enough. He's going to need some physical linemen on both sides of the ball to make that approach work. I'm not sure Rice can get as many of those as Stanford can in a P5 league. Then again, I'm not sure we need as many as Stanford gets to win against CUSA competition.

As old New England offensive coordinator Ron Erhart liked to say, "Throw to score and run to win."
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(12-12-2017 02:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 10:41 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  Besides QB I think the most impact will be made with some solid offensive and defensive line editions. Since Bloomgren is an offensive line guy I’m not too worried about that. I’ll be interested to see who we can bring in on Dline. Probably one of the toughest positions for us to recruit and it has a major impact on the game.

I've said it before, one advantage of the option is that the kind of linemen you recruit for offense, generally smaller and quicker, are the kind that you need on defense, and you can move linemen back and forth to some extent, as needed. If you're in a spread, you need a bunch of 300+ pound pass protectors who can't play defense. And you need a drop-back quarterback who can't play anywhere else, whereas option quarterbacks tend to be athletes first who can play safety (or even linebacker).

I'm not arguing for the option. I'm just stating why I think it works well for the academies. I think you have to throw the ball more than option teams do in order to be able to win. I like something like what Paul Johnson did with Erk Russell at Georgia Southern and Bob Wagner at Hawaii, where they combined the option and the run-and-shoot. Still love watching videos of the likes of Tracy Ham in the 1-AA playoffs or Garret Gabriel and Ivin Jasper lighting up teams like BYU and Notre Dame. I still think it would be an appropriate use of our guys' intellectual capabilities to combine the option (11 plays, all running, inside veer, outside veer, inside reverse, outside reverse, trap, trap option, counter option, midline, midline option, jet sweep, double option), the run-and-shoot (6 plays, all passes, choice, go, slide, smash, streak, switch) and the Air Raid (6 plays, all passes, verticals, mesh, shallow cross, sail, wheel, cross) with a few screens and draws. I think that is a sufficiently limited playbook that we could execute all of it well, and that puts defenses in a terrible quandary. In particular, it puts Ruowls's guy to stress under incredible stress.

The West Coast passing game plus power running is what Holmgren knows. It's not exactly what I prefer, but it's close enough. He's going to need some physical linemen on both sides of the ball to make that approach work. I'm not sure Rice can get as many of those as Stanford can in a P5 league. Then again, I'm not sure we need as many as Stanford gets to win against CUSA competition.

As old New England offensive coordinator Ron Erhart liked to say, "Throw to score and run to win."

Owl 69/70/75, any thoughts as to what factor the service academy's ability to stowso many kids away in their prep schools helps?
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(12-12-2017 05:39 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  Owl 69/70/75, any thoughts as to what factor the service academy's ability to stowso many kids away in their prep schools helps?

The main thing the prep school does is give them a chance to bring marginal students up to academy standards.

The ability to have so many players on the squad mainly gives them more people to hold dummies so they can get more reps in, which obviously contributes to their being able to do a better job of perfecting execution. Of those 185 people they have, probably 100 have no chance ever to see the field, except maybe a cameo on their senior day. And of the 85, there probably aren't more than half of them that we would have offered. But it does help to be able to run the same drill more times at the same time.
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1. This is a recruiting thread;
2. But, since we've gone there - the announcers for the Army-Navy game pointed out (correctly) that the academies have been moving away from the triple option;
3. I enjoy it when people who have no clue about football try to extol the "virtues" of the wishbone/flexbone etc.
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(12-12-2017 06:37 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  1. This is a recruiting thread;
2. But, since we've gone there - the announcers for the Army-Navy game pointed out (correctly) that the academies have been moving away from the triple option;
3. I enjoy it when people who have no clue about football try to extol the "virtues" of the wishbone/flexbone etc.

4. What are you talking about? Army runs as much flexbone as ever. Did you miss them talking about how Army beat Air Force without attempting a pass? Navy has gone from the gun a bit this season, but you act like being a flexbone team someone pigeonholes you from doing anything else. Other flexbone teams, like GT in 2013, have done this. How is a flexbone team with a shotgun package any different than an air raid team with a "heavy" package.

5. There are a lot of ways to win football games. Nobody is saying that the flexbone is the end-all-be-all. It's just another way to "skin a cat." Flexbone teams have no worse (and probably a little bit better) offensive production than non-flexbone teams. Once again, it's all about execution, execution, execution. If you watched GT late this season, they looked like crap. If you watched GT in 2014 or 2016, they looked great.
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