(03-25-2017 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 02:01 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  Pretty sure at the end of basketball and football next season we will be in coaching searches for both.

With this AD, I have to say, I do not know. Common sense would agree with you, but we are not in a world of common sense.

It'd be great to get a former Huskie great as AD one day. Give me Chandler Harnish for that job in 10 years. Hate the ILLness but look what their new AD has done since he's been there? You get a young former Illini football player who played in the pros briefly. Made splash hires in football and both basketball programs and has Illini athletics re-energized in such a short period of time. Obviously they have a ton more money and history than us to work with, but we need somebody w that same passion for NIU. Someone who is a Huskie at heart and gets it. One day... haha


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(03-25-2017 03:02 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 02:01 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  Pretty sure at the end of basketball and football next season we will be in coaching searches for both.

With this AD, I have to say, I do not know. Common sense would agree with you, but we are not in a world of common sense.

It'd be great to get a former Huskie great as AD one day. Give me Chandler Harnish for that job in 10 years. Hate the ILLness but look what their new AD has done since he's been there? You get a young former Illini football player who played in the pros briefly. Made splash hires in football and both basketball programs and has Illini athletics re-energized in such a short period of time. Obviously they have a ton more money and history than us to work with, but we need somebody w that same passion for NIU. Someone who is a Huskie at heart and gets it. One day... haha


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I totally agree on everything you said, except one thing. Lovie smith is not a good college football coach. I don't think that will end up improving their program at all. I'm sure it did energize the fan base for a little bit like you said, but as far as a "good hire?" No, that will end up not working out for them. Underwood on the other hand will have them in the tournament in 1-2 years.

(03-25-2017 03:08 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 03:02 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 02:01 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  Pretty sure at the end of basketball and football next season we will be in coaching searches for both.

With this AD, I have to say, I do not know. Common sense would agree with you, but we are not in a world of common sense.

It'd be great to get a former Huskie great as AD one day. Give me Chandler Harnish for that job in 10 years. Hate the ILLness but look what their new AD has done since he's been there? You get a young former Illini football player who played in the pros briefly. Made splash hires in football and both basketball programs and has Illini athletics re-energized in such a short period of time. Obviously they have a ton more money and history than us to work with, but we need somebody w that same passion for NIU. Someone who is a Huskie at heart and gets it. One day... haha


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I totally agree on everything you said, except one thing. Lovie smith is not a good college football coach. I don't think that will end up improving their program at all.

Fair enough. However, hard to say he's not an improvement over Beckman. He was a joke. At the very least Lovie is bringing credibility w recruits, but yeah wouldn't be shocked to see him back in the NFL sooner than later


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(03-25-2017 03:10 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 03:08 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 03:02 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 02:01 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  Pretty sure at the end of basketball and football next season we will be in coaching searches for both.

With this AD, I have to say, I do not know. Common sense would agree with you, but we are not in a world of common sense.

It'd be great to get a former Huskie great as AD one day. Give me Chandler Harnish for that job in 10 years. Hate the ILLness but look what their new AD has done since he's been there? You get a young former Illini football player who played in the pros briefly. Made splash hires in football and both basketball programs and has Illini athletics re-energized in such a short period of time. Obviously they have a ton more money and history than us to work with, but we need somebody w that same passion for NIU. Someone who is a Huskie at heart and gets it. One day... haha


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I totally agree on everything you said, except one thing. Lovie smith is not a good college football coach. I don't think that will end up improving their program at all.

Fair enough. However, hard to say he's not an improvement over Beckman. He was a joke. At the very least Lovie is bringing credibility w recruits, but yeah wouldn't be shocked to see him back in the NFL sooner than later


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That is true, he is an improvement over that mess. But I think his heart is in the NFL. Maybe i'm totally wrong and it will work out for them, which would be great. But I just don't see it. I can say that Illinois basketball will be much better rather quickly with Underwood.

So to your original point, Athletic Director Harnish sounds pretty great in 2027 haha.

(03-25-2017 03:15 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 03:10 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 03:08 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 03:02 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 02:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  With this AD, I have to say, I do not know. Common sense would agree with you, but we are not in a world of common sense.

It'd be great to get a former Huskie great as AD one day. Give me Chandler Harnish for that job in 10 years. Hate the ILLness but look what their new AD has done since he's been there? You get a young former Illini football player who played in the pros briefly. Made splash hires in football and both basketball programs and has Illini athletics re-energized in such a short period of time. Obviously they have a ton more money and history than us to work with, but we need somebody w that same passion for NIU. Someone who is a Huskie at heart and gets it. One day... haha


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I totally agree on everything you said, except one thing. Lovie smith is not a good college football coach. I don't think that will end up improving their program at all.

Fair enough. However, hard to say he's not an improvement over Beckman. He was a joke. At the very least Lovie is bringing credibility w recruits, but yeah wouldn't be shocked to see him back in the NFL sooner than later


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That is true, he is an improvement over that mess. But I think his heart is in the NFL. Maybe i'm totally wrong and it will work out for them, which would be great. But I just don't see it. I can say that Illinois basketball will be much better rather quickly with Underwood.

So to your original point, Athletic Director Harnish sounds pretty great in 2027 haha.

I actually wouldn't be shocked at all if he was the AD one day. He's got people skills, the look and the Huskie great pedigree for sure. The athletic department is definitely grooming him right now. He lives in St Charles with Schiller still (very close to DeKalb) and is extremely active with NIU athletics. Right now I know he's heading up NIU football alumni group and trying to get things going there. Doing a great job thus far.




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I wish they would bring back Nabal Jefferson as a D line coach.
I think he would get the respect of players and he was a pretty smart player.
Yes, we need to start filling coaching vacancies with former NIU players/students.

(03-25-2017 03:25 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  I wish they would bring back Nabal Jefferson as a D line coach.
I think he would get the respect of players and he was a pretty smart player.
Yes, we need to start filling coaching vacancies with former NIU players/students.

That'd be great, I absolutely agree. However, he was a scholar in the classroom if I remember right. I bet he has a great job already or is furthering his education somewhere. He doesn't strike me as someone who would want to get into coaching


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(03-25-2017 01:27 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  So over/under 10 wins next season for NIU men's basketball?

I see 4 NAIA schools on the schedule.
Probably a few schools ranked 320 or above. Chicago State home/away.
4 wins in the MAC. Everybody gets 4 wins in the MAC most years.

I see 12 wins.

(03-25-2017 03:31 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 01:27 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  So over/under 10 wins next season for NIU men's basketball?

I see 4 NAIA schools on the schedule.
Probably a few schools ranked 320 or above. Chicago State home/away.
4 wins in the MAC. Everybody gets 4 wins in the MAC most years.

I see 12 wins.

The MAC shouldn't be as good next year as it has been the last two years. That might make 10 wins possible

Key, Bradley and German should be good for at least ten wins. If the newcomers can play maybe we sit arround .500.

(03-25-2017 04:39 PM)niu79 Wrote:  Key, Bradley and German should be good for at least ten wins. If the newcomers can play maybe we sit arround .500.

You realize we just played one of the easiest OOC schedules in NIU history and still didn't have a .500 record right? Subtract Maric, Armstead, Highsmith, Porter and Wilson. If we had any money they would have hit the reset button and fired Monty already.

If German is 1st team All MAC then maybe we can get to 10 wins. He just better not run him out of town next


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(03-25-2017 05:19 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 04:39 PM)niu79 Wrote:  Key, Bradley and German should be good for at least ten wins. If the newcomers can play maybe we sit arround .500.

You realize we just played one of the easiest OOC schedules in NIU history and still didn't have a .500 record right? Subtract Maric, Armstead, Highsmith, Porter and Wilson. If we had any money they would have hit the reset button and fired Monty already.

I think the non-conf SOS is a little deceiving, its really tough because you had some exceedingly easy games, way way more than NIU should have, but games that were not against sub D1 were not so bad like Elon, Minnesota, etc. According to KenPom NIU had a 313 SOS non-conf but finished around 200 overall. Playing the MAC schedule improved SOS by 100 spots. But yes if there was an upward trend in the program you would have had an above .500 record. I really wish I knew what as going on internally with NIU basketball and football, mass mass dysfunction.

(03-25-2017 06:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 05:19 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 04:39 PM)niu79 Wrote:  Key, Bradley and German should be good for at least ten wins. If the newcomers can play maybe we sit arround .500.

You realize we just played one of the easiest OOC schedules in NIU history and still didn't have a .500 record right? Subtract Maric, Armstead, Highsmith, Porter and Wilson. If we had any money they would have hit the reset button and fired Monty already.

I think the non-conf SOS is a little deceiving, its really tough because you had some exceedingly easy games, way way more than NIU should have, but games that were not against sub D1 were not so bad like Elon, Minnesota, etc. According to KenPom NIU had a 313 SOS non-conf but finished around 200 overall. Playing the MAC schedule improved SOS by 100 spots. But yes if there was an upward trend in the program you would have had an above .500 record. I really wish I knew what as going on internally with NIU basketball and football, mass mass dysfunction.

There is nothing deceiving about non-conference SOS...Minnesota was a good team. Elon and Idaho finished over .500. That's ONE good team and THREE total games against teams over .500 (and two of the three from conferences you would consider inferior--and you have taken shots at the Big Ten). Other OOC games: Indiana St twice; finished 11-20 last in conference; Northridge 11-19; Cal Poly 11-20; UIC 17-19; Fla Int 7-24; South Florida 7-23--last in conference.

To be 5-5 against that group of teams shows exactly why we were a lousy seed in the MAC and lost 8 of the last 9.

(03-25-2017 06:51 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 06:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 05:19 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 04:39 PM)niu79 Wrote:  Key, Bradley and German should be good for at least ten wins. If the newcomers can play maybe we sit arround .500.

You realize we just played one of the easiest OOC schedules in NIU history and still didn't have a .500 record right? Subtract Maric, Armstead, Highsmith, Porter and Wilson. If we had any money they would have hit the reset button and fired Monty already.

I think the non-conf SOS is a little deceiving, its really tough because you had some exceedingly easy games, way way more than NIU should have, but games that were not against sub D1 were not so bad like Elon, Minnesota, etc. According to KenPom NIU had a 313 SOS non-conf but finished around 200 overall. Playing the MAC schedule improved SOS by 100 spots. But yes if there was an upward trend in the program you would have had an above .500 record. I really wish I knew what as going on internally with NIU basketball and football, mass mass dysfunction.

There is nothing deceiving about non-conference SOS...Minnesota was a good team. Elon and Idaho finished over .500. That's ONE good team and THREE total games against teams over .500 (and two of the three from conferences you would consider inferior--and you have taken shots at the Big Ten). Other OOC games: Indiana St twice; finished 11-20 last in conference; Northridge 11-19; Cal Poly 11-20; UIC 17-19; Fla Int 7-24; South Florida 7-23--last in conference.

To be 5-5 against that group of teams shows exactly why we were a lousy seed in the MAC and lost 8 of the last 9.

Its not a horrid group of teams that are listed for non-conf, admittedly not great, but not an embarrassment by any stretch.

(03-25-2017 07:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 06:51 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 06:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 05:19 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 04:39 PM)niu79 Wrote:  Key, Bradley and German should be good for at least ten wins. If the newcomers can play maybe we sit arround .500.

You realize we just played one of the easiest OOC schedules in NIU history and still didn't have a .500 record right? Subtract Maric, Armstead, Highsmith, Porter and Wilson. If we had any money they would have hit the reset button and fired Monty already.

I think the non-conf SOS is a little deceiving, its really tough because you had some exceedingly easy games, way way more than NIU should have, but games that were not against sub D1 were not so bad like Elon, Minnesota, etc. According to KenPom NIU had a 313 SOS non-conf but finished around 200 overall. Playing the MAC schedule improved SOS by 100 spots. But yes if there was an upward trend in the program you would have had an above .500 record. I really wish I knew what as going on internally with NIU basketball and football, mass mass dysfunction.

There is nothing deceiving about non-conference SOS...Minnesota was a good team. Elon and Idaho finished over .500. That's ONE good team and THREE total games against teams over .500 (and two of the three from conferences you would consider inferior--and you have taken shots at the Big Ten). Other OOC games: Indiana St twice; finished 11-20 last in conference; Northridge 11-19; Cal Poly 11-20; UIC 17-19; Fla Int 7-24; South Florida 7-23--last in conference.

To be 5-5 against that group of teams shows exactly why we were a lousy seed in the MAC and lost 8 of the last 9.

Its not a horrid group of teams that are listed for non-conf, admittedly not great, but not an embarrassment by any stretch.

It is pretty horrid---or at least, turned out that way. Obviously, I left off the three glorified high school teams off my list. (and we played all these games before Porter an Wilson were gone)

(03-25-2017 06:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think the non-conf SOS is a little deceiving, its really tough because you had some exceedingly easy games, way way more than NIU should have, but games that were not against sub D1 were not so bad like Elon, Minnesota, etc.

Here you go again MD. Let me start by reminding you I have never and never will like the ILL-ness, nor am I trying to defend the B1G, there's simply a hypocrisy in your statement making Minnesota sound good when you always rip on that conference. The Golden Goofs were clearly that league's biggest post-season flop. Elon was nothing special, but when you say "not so bad like Elon, Minnesota, etc.", just who the heck is the "etc." that wasn't so bad? Go back and read Milwaukee Pilot's recap and acknowledge we may have played more conference bottom tier teams than anyone. And armour248 hit the nail on the head in regard to our OOC schedule. The 2016-17 schedule was at best, slightly above the previous season, which was the single worst in NIU basketball history.

(03-25-2017 07:28 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 06:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think the non-conf SOS is a little deceiving, its really tough because you had some exceedingly easy games, way way more than NIU should have, but games that were not against sub D1 were not so bad like Elon, Minnesota, etc.

Here you go again MD. Let me start by reminding you I have never and never will like the ILL-ness, nor am I trying to defend the B1G, there's simply a hypocrisy in your statement making Minnesota sound good when you always rip on that conference. The Golden Goofs were clearly that league's biggest post-season flop. Elon was nothing special, but when you say "not so bad like Elon, Minnesota, etc.", just who the heck is the "etc." that wasn't so bad? Go back and read Milwaukee Pilot's recap and acknowledge we may have played more conference bottom tier teams than anyone. And armour248 hit the nail on the head in regard to our OOC schedule. The 2016-17 schedule was at best, slightly above the previous season, which was the single worst in NIU basketball history.

The number of non d1 games is discouraging but the quality of d1 opponents I find satisfactory. What makes this such a non issue for me is that over past few years the quality of MAC play more than makes up for lackluster non conference. Besides, on the list of things wrong with NIU bball right now, schedule is pretty low

(03-25-2017 01:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 12:55 PM)armour248 Wrote:  NIU athletics is an absolute garbage dump right now

It really is. Never thought we would see this rapid of a decline

#Leadership

Is it as bad as independent days. Just wondering