(04-03-2017 12:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  No one individual knows everything. When you do have a "monarch," people are afraid to approach him. They are often out of touch with the details. And even though he had influence and people listened when he spoke, he didn't make the decisions on campus, only on football.

Yeah. And if you've ever worked in a bad job, or experienced non-managing management, PSU is almost textbook in how bad it was.

You had administrators, not doers. Administrators make orders, but aren't the operational front to enforce it. And if there's confusion between Spanier, Curley, Shultz, Paterno, and others (hey, what about in-house counsel?), well, what's so odd about this?

This was accountability failure. As in, nobody kept the other in check. They all rolled up. Yeah, sucks to be Spanier...but, when the guy makes a mint even on his exit, that's what you're paid to do, guy.

(04-03-2017 12:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  You're just talking as a Pitt fan full of hatred for everything PSU.

Paterno screwed up. He admitted that. He saw Sandusky continuing to come to campus with kids after 2001 and never even asked a question.

No one individual knows everything. When you do have a "monarch," people are afraid to approach him. They are often out of touch with the details. And even though he had influence and people listened when he spoke, he didn't make the decisions on campus, only on football.

No, I'm looking at this as a clear-eyed adult who is objectively looking at the facts and coming to the same conclusion that just about every other sane human being has. Unlike you, I am not hell-bent on protecting anyone, which is why I have the easier job here.

Of course Paterno didn't know all of the particulars – it was well understood that he was not to be brought in on the particulars. The emails made that very clear. That's where McQueary really screwed up. By going to his house, McQueary forced Paterno's hand and that is what ultimately led to his dismissal.

Do you think it is normal for a coach to witness a crime being perpetrated inside his own practice facility, sleep on it, and then go to his boss at his boss's house the next day with what he saw? Because that seems pretty aberrant to me.

And yet that is EXACTLY what McQueary did. Why? Why would he handle it the way he did? Why would he not just go straight to the police? McQueary wasn't a child. He knew that what he had seen was a crime. Why did he not intervene? Why did he consult with his family's attorney and his father? Why did they direct him to go to Paterno's house? Because it was well understood that everything was to be handled in house, that's why.

Then, according to HIS OWN grand jury testimony, Paterno told him, "Mike, you did what you felt you needed to do. Now, I need to figure out what I need to do."

Tell me, Bullet, WTF was there to figure out?

I know, I know, I'm a Pitt fan, so I'm not allowed to tell the truth. Okay, then help me out here. What was he talking about? Seriously, what the hell was he talking about? Because from my perspective, that's a pretty central question to every other question that surrounds that entire case.

Why did he then wait until TUESDAY to contact any of his co-conspirators? He said that he didn't contact anyone immediately because he didn't want to "ruin anyone's weekend." Again those words were straight from the devil himself.

You know the kid that McQueary saw Sandusky sodomizing inside the Penn State locker room? I wonder how the rest of his weekend went?

This whole thing is completely crazy. People are tripping all over themselves doing whatever they can to absolve Paterno from this if it doesn't make sense.

It's not my fault that a bunch of naive boneheads were hoodwinked by this con artist and bought into his BS. It's not even their fault. A good con artist can fool a helluva lot of people.

However, the conspiracy theories are WAAAAAAY over-the-top. People want to blame Jim Delany, Mark Emmert, former Pennsylvania Governor Tom Corbett, his predecessor Ed Rendell, any of the three amigos, the Second Mile folks, ESPN, the Board of Trustees, Mike McQueary, "the lying, stinking media," and any other scapegoat they can find.

I'm fine with all of that. My guess is that a lot of people screwed up along the way, allowing that to happen.

However, there is one guy that all of these people always insist holds no responsibility for any of this and we all know who that is. I'm sorry but I cannot agree with the absurd claim that the person with the most power holds no responsibility. He could've stopped this at any time and he chose not to for fear of what it would mean to his program.

That is why he is a national pariah and why he will continue to be seen as such in the national dialogue of the Penn State scandal.

I have always thought of it as being very Shakespearean. Here was a person who for decades was consumed with his image. In time, the very university he came to represent took on those same vanity traits. Their old school uniforms represented an old-school ethos and work ethic and that became not just their brand but their core institutional identity. And for many Penn State fans and alums, that became their own personal identity.

That is why so many of them have taken this so personally. When you talk about their football coach and his failings, they take that to mean that you are attacking them on a deeply intimate and personal level – even though that's insane, that's how they feel.

That's why it is so ironic that at the end of the day he and they are seen as image consumed frauds for how they handled things when the chips were down and the lights were out.

If that realization hurts peoples feelings, so be it. He died in disgrace and the way they have behaved in the interim has been no less disgraceful and has forever sealed both his legacy and their's.

mcqueary waited because he knew coverup was all ready in place & he was screwed.
he went to his dad, because that was the only person he could trust

Yep.

It was a scandal that involved all football personnel and was covered up expressly to protect the image of the football program; and somehow everyone knew about it except the head football coach. He was completely in the dark. However, he was totally in the loop on all of the good things that were happening there.

My kids are home from preschool now so I'm going to pretend to believe in more realistic fairytales like "Frozen" or "Aladdin."

(04-03-2017 05:06 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  It was a scandal that involved all football personnel and was covered up expressly to protect the image of the football program

Then you charge the 20-30 individuals who took it upon themselves to cover up crimes, and you move on. Nothing more can really be said, outside that.

I'm fine with prosecuting anyone who deserves it. My only regret is that the big Kahuna died in a hospital bed rather than on the floor of a prison cell.


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