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(03-24-2017 12:57 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 11:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Nunes apologized to his fellow committee members for his bizarre pressers but did not fully explain his move or share the information he had. This was part of an already bad week for Nunes.


On Friday, Nunes didn't make anything better. In fact, with a series of elliptical statements, he suggested that on Wednesday he had gone off half-cocked—which is not SOP for an intelligence committee chairman in charge of a highly sensitive and politically charged investigation. Asked repeatedly about the information that was the basis for his charge that Trump and his associates were inappropriately "unmasked" in classified intelligence reports based on legally authorized top-secret surveillance of foreign targets, Nunes said he did not have that material in hand.


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You do realize that *ANY* unmasking of a US citizens name in a FISA granted warrant is inappropriate right?

That someone inappropriately unmasked Flynn's name is fact. Just like the water being wet.

Now... I've not seen any evidence as to *who* did it.

No it isn't.

If the identity of the American needs to be revealed in order to understand the intel, it is absolutely legal.

If you don't believe me, look it up.
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(03-24-2017 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If the identity of the American needs to be revealed in order to understand the intel, it is absolutely legal.

If you don't believe me, look it up.

I don't believe you ...
look it up ...

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(03-24-2017 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You do realize that *ANY* unmasking of a US citizens name in a FISA granted warrant is inappropriate right?

That someone inappropriately unmasked Flynn's name is fact. Just like the water being wet.

Now... I've not seen any evidence as to *who* did it.

No it isn't.

If the identity of the American needs to be revealed in order to understand the intel, it is absolutely legal.

If you don't believe me, look it up.
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Ill look around but I'd appreciate a citation..

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/th...llegal-but

Quote:Thus, FISA protects U.S. citizens from unconstitutional surveillance while allowing America’s spy services to listen to the communications of foreigners.

My understanding is that a court which approves 99% of their warrants was allowed because American Citizens are not supposed to be tied up in the conversations. If one is, by law, it has to be masked except to a very few people high up in the executive branch.

Legally those people could make a determination if Flynn's name is relevant to understanding the conversation.

It's super illegal to leak the information. It was a violation of the espionage act.
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RE: Nunes admits no evidence of inappropriate unmasking.
(03-24-2017 01:19 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You do realize that *ANY* unmasking of a US citizens name in a FISA granted warrant is inappropriate right?

That someone inappropriately unmasked Flynn's name is fact. Just like the water being wet.

Now... I've not seen any evidence as to *who* did it.

No it isn't.

If the identity of the American needs to be revealed in order to understand the intel, it is absolutely legal.

If you don't believe me, look it up.

Ill look around but I'd appreciate a citation..

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/th...llegal-but

Quote:Thus, FISA protects U.S. citizens from unconstitutional surveillance while allowing America’s spy services to listen to the communications of foreigners.

My understanding is that a court which approves 99% of their warrants was allowed because American Citizens are not supposed to be tied up in the conversations. If one is, by law, it has to be masked except to a very few people high up in the executive branch.

Legally those people could make a determination if Flynn's name is relevant to understanding the conversation.

It's super illegal to leak the information. It was a violation of the espionage act.
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Bingo


To be clear. The leaking of Flynn's name to the media was likely illegal. I get that.

However, for intelligence to know that it was Flynn on those conversations is not illegal.

Just wanted to make that clear.
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RE: Nunes admits no evidence of inappropriate unmasking.
(03-24-2017 01:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 01:19 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You do realize that *ANY* unmasking of a US citizens name in a FISA granted warrant is inappropriate right?

That someone inappropriately unmasked Flynn's name is fact. Just like the water being wet.

Now... I've not seen any evidence as to *who* did it.

No it isn't.

If the identity of the American needs to be revealed in order to understand the intel, it is absolutely legal.

If you don't believe me, look it up.

Ill look around but I'd appreciate a citation..

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/th...llegal-but

Quote:Thus, FISA protects U.S. citizens from unconstitutional surveillance while allowing America’s spy services to listen to the communications of foreigners.

My understanding is that a court which approves 99% of their warrants was allowed because American Citizens are not supposed to be tied up in the conversations. If one is, by law, it has to be masked except to a very few people high up in the executive branch.

Legally those people could make a determination if Flynn's name is relevant to understanding the conversation.

It's super illegal to leak the information. It was a violation of the espionage act.

Bingo


To be clear. The leaking of Flynn's name to the media was likely illegal. I get that.

However, for intelligence to know that it was Flynn on those conversations is not illegal.

Just wanted to make that clear.
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The problem wasn't that the intelligence community knew about who it was, the problem is that reporters were reporting on the conversations and mentioning Flynn by name. Federal law was broken.
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(03-24-2017 12:49 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 12:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  The OP's article reminds me of when the Senate 9-11 report was realeased and the MSM's headlines read, SENATE FINDS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN AL-QUEDA & SADDAM HUSSEIN. Of course if you bothered to read the report.........

Not sure I follow as there was no connection between Saddam and AQ.

Point in case. You never bothered to read the report, did you?

Still waiting RWT.
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(03-24-2017 02:16 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 12:49 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 12:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  The OP's article reminds me of when the Senate 9-11 report was realeased and the MSM's headlines read, SENATE FINDS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN AL-QUEDA & SADDAM HUSSEIN. Of course if you bothered to read the report.........

Not sure I follow as there was no connection between Saddam and AQ.

Point in case. You never bothered to read the report, did you?

Still waiting RWT.

Well, you didn't link anything, so I assume you're talking about the 9/11 commission report? You do know that's 585 pages long don't you?

So unless you expected me to read that in an hour, I suggest you either tell me what page your proof is on or provide me with a link to some other sort of proof.

Sorry, but the analysis of the report I read said there was no link.

Thanks.
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9/11 Report
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Quote:There is also evidence around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response. According to one report, Saddam Hussein's efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin

Page 125:
Quote:Clarke commented that Iraq and Libya had previously discussed hosting Bin Ladin, though he and his staff had their doubts that Bin Ladin would trust secular Arab dictators such as Saddam Hussein or Muammar Qadhafi.

Page 334:
Quote:Arguing that the case for links between Iraq and al Qaeda was weak, the memo pointed out that Bin Ladin resented the secularism of Saddam Hussein's regime. Finally, the memo said, there was no confirmed reporting on Saddam cooperating with Bin Ladin on unconventional weapons
https://9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
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(03-24-2017 12:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 11:59 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  MUH MOTHER JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gobble down the mother jones, libturds. Dont even think about it. Be the Gruber you know you are and just gobble it on down.

I knew it. Fit loves to hide his far left prog links. Remember if Fit hides the link it is MJ, Salon, Buzzfeed or BS like that. Don't them the clicks.

Dude, I told you the other day...this is ridiculous. Just hover over the damn link and it appears at the bottom the screen. Many many posters do that here. It allows you to display the title of the article so you have some idea what it's about. Move along.

That's what I do.
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Page 78

Quote:Bin Ladin was also willing to explore possibilities for cooperation with Iraq, even though Iraq’s dictator, Saddam Hussein, had never had an Islamist agenda—save for his opportunistic pose as a defender of the faithful against “Crusaders” during the Gulf War of 1991. Moreover, Bin Ladin had in fact been sponsoring anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan, and sought to attract them into his Islamic army.

To protect his own ties with Iraq,Turabi reportedly brokered an agreement that Bin Ladin would stop supporting activities against Saddam. Bin Ladin apparently honored this pledge, at least for a time, although he continued to aid a group of Islamist extremists operating in part of Iraq (Kurdistan) outsideof Baghdad’s control. In the late 1990s, these extremist groups suffered major defeats by Kurdish forces. In 2001, with Bin Ladin’s help they re-formed into an organization called Ansar al Islam.There are indications that by then the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al Islam against the common Kurdish enemy.

With the Sudanese regime acting as intermediary, Bin Ladin himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995. Bin Ladin is said to have asked for space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but there is no evidence that Iraq responded to this request.

As described below, the ensuing years saw additional efforts to establish
connections.

And this is odd, right after the following quote of yours from page 66:

Quote:There is also evidence around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response. According to one report, Saddam Hussein's efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin

I guess you accidentally overlooked the very next paragraph:

Quote:In mid-1998, the situation reversed; it was Iraq that reportedly took the initiative. In March 1998, after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhapsboth, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin’s Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis. In 1998, Iraq was under intensifying U.S. pressure, which culminated in a series of large air attacks in December.

Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have
occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban.
According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative. The reports describe friendly contacts and indicate some common themes in both sides’ hatred ofthe United States. But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship. Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States.

That highlighted part is the one the MSM hung its hat on to make the claim that there was no connection between Hussein and al-Queda. There clearly were connections, initiated from both directions, though they did not involve the attacks of 9-11.....a claim the Bush administration did not make.
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Again dude...it's 585 pages! I searched on Saddam.

Also, what you cited says that sure one or the other considered getting together, but they generally hated each other and therefore never colluded, especially on 9/11...just as I said.
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(03-24-2017 03:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Again dude...it's 585 pages! I searched on Saddam.

Also, what you cited says that sure one or the other considered getting together, but they generally hated each other and therefore never colluded, especially on 9/11...just as I said.


Uh, actually, this is what you said.

(03-24-2017 03:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not sure I follow as there was no connection between Saddam and AQ.

Which is exactly what the MSM said at the time and you apparently bought.....hook, line, and sinker. Don't sweat it dude, we've come to expect as much.
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(03-24-2017 04:00 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 03:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Again dude...it's 585 pages! I searched on Saddam.

Also, what you cited says that sure one or the other considered getting together, but they generally hated each other and therefore never colluded, especially on 9/11...just as I said.


Uh, actually, this is what you said.

(03-24-2017 03:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not sure I follow as there was no connection between Saddam and AQ.

Which is exactly what the MSM said at the time and you apparently bought.....hook, line, and sinker. Don't sweat it dude, we've come to expect as much.

Yes...but it was in response to your comment regarding 9/11, and the media was clearly referring to the same. So I figured you'd know that's what I meant. Apologies. That being said, that one line you cited is pretty insignificant to any meaningful direct connection between the two, it just is. Sorry.

P.S.: Drop the condescension please. It's not needed.
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The MSM at the time all this went down had two narratives:

1) The Bush administration tried to make Americans believe that Saddam was somehow involved with the events of 9-11.

2) The 9-11 Report found no links between Saddam and al-Queda.

Both narratives were false and while you've demonstrated you feii for one, I'd be willing to bet you believed both.
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Wooooo. Your entitled to your opinion. Not your own facts. There was no viable connection between AQ and Saddam. Favt
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Fact checking the cons around here is s full time job. Not easy with the full time spew of bs. Truth doesn't matter anymore to them.
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(03-25-2017 09:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Fact checking the cons around here is s full time job. Not easy with the full time spew of bs. Truth doesn't matter anymore to them.

correct. you have to dig through archives of mother jones to find a fake news story to counter our facts with. Sounds like a lot of work on your part.
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(03-25-2017 09:09 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Wooooo. Your entitled to your opinion. Not your own facts. There was no viable connection between AQ and Saddam. Favt

Damn Mach, did you even read the quotes from the 9-11 report. And, btw, throwing in new adjectives like "viable" so you claim you shot someone's argument down is being intellectually dishonest.

RWT and your comment though bring up an interesting thought. I suspect if you asked a thousand libs if the 9-11 report found any connection between Saddam and al-Queda, nearly 100%would answer in the negative. You two certainly did.
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Guys like codename screwball, and Achmed Chalabi???? No! Those guys were not credible. Our nation screwed the pooch on that intel. I'm in line about to board the boat so I'm not going to reasearch on an iPhone. Show me one viable credible source that says Saddam and AQ were linked. All of them have been debunked.
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(03-25-2017 10:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Guys like codename screwball, and Achmed Chalabi???? No! Those guys were not credible. Our nation screwed the pooch on that intel. I'm in line about to board the boat so I'm not going to reasearch on an iPhone. Show me one viable credible source that says Saddam and AQ were linked. All of them have been debunked.

My source for my assertion is the bi-partisian Senate 9-11 Commission Report. My source is linked. Where"s your source? I'll be glad to wait. In fact, count on it.
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