(03-24-2017 02:55 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  Maybe this is Lance trying to create subjects to talk about. XU got hot at the right time. That happens to many teams. The UK team a few years back came into the touney as an 8 seed and made the finals. Some might say the two Butler teams that made the finals overachieves. The two UCONN titles in the last ten years. None of those teams were the best teams in thee country. They got hot in March and rode the wave in the tourney. X is ddoing that now. Is X better than Arizona in a 7 game series? probably not, but they were last night.

Lance is always creating topics like this to try and keep his show relevent. He was doing the same thing earlier in the week trying to stir emotions with Mixon and the Bengals. Why give him the time of day? He's a hack. His show on WLW is about as relevent as PDoc's a few years back.

I don't like Lance, but I am not going to slam him for bringing up a topic that a ton of people are discussing.

(03-24-2017 03:35 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 02:55 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  Maybe this is Lance trying to create subjects to talk about. XU got hot at the right time. That happens to many teams. The UK team a few years back came into the touney as an 8 seed and made the finals. Some might say the two Butler teams that made the finals overachieves. The two UCONN titles in the last ten years. None of those teams were the best teams in thee country. They got hot in March and rode the wave in the tourney. X is ddoing that now. Is X better than Arizona in a 7 game series? probably not, but they were last night.

Lance is always creating topics like this to try and keep his show relevent. He was doing the same thing earlier in the week trying to stir emotions with Mixon and the Bengals. Why give him the time of day? He's a hack. His show on WLW is about as relevent as PDoc's a few years back.

I don't like Lance, but I am not going to slam him for bringing up a topic that a ton of people are discussing.

True enough. I had lunch with a client in Louisville today (big UK fan) and he asked me essentially the same question.

(03-24-2017 03:35 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 02:55 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  Maybe this is Lance trying to create subjects to talk about. XU got hot at the right time. That happens to many teams. The UK team a few years back came into the touney as an 8 seed and made the finals. Some might say the two Butler teams that made the finals overachieves. The two UCONN titles in the last ten years. None of those teams were the best teams in thee country. They got hot in March and rode the wave in the tourney. X is ddoing that now. Is X better than Arizona in a 7 game series? probably not, but they were last night.

Lance is always creating topics like this to try and keep his show relevent. He was doing the same thing earlier in the week trying to stir emotions with Mixon and the Bengals. Why give him the time of day? He's a hack. His show on WLW is about as relevent as PDoc's a few years back.

I don't like Lance, but I am not going to slam him for bringing up a topic that a ton of people are discussing.

Back to Reds Bengals, Bengals Reds, old Cyclone stories, was a left handed shortstop when I was Lance Goose at Carmel HS. Just milking Huggs Mick for all I can. Oh I am going to sue the website.

(03-24-2017 12:41 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The thing that annoys me about Lance (and Doc recently) is their need to dismiss the accomplishments of the Huggins era to defend Mick Cronin. I wrote a very long winded response to this BS.

Why do you think they spend so much time bashing Huggins?

Answer: They helped run him out of town and now don't want to be blamed for the state of UC MBB.

Thus they squeal like stuck pigs.

Simple as that.

(03-24-2017 01:14 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 01:00 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  Maybe we need to take a page of the Boston Red Sox handbook and burn NZ in effigy?

Here is a reason why. Shipped out west UC was put in the same region with UCLA and Kentucky.
While X got to play a weak FSU (note only one ACC team left out of 8) then a west coast version of Duke.

this is typical UC fan delusion...we went out west. So what. You play where they say to play. Kentucky had to go out west too. But they are still playing huh. That is a lame argument.

And XU 'got to play'...look dude, XU wins. I don't give a rats if its an over seeded FSU team (so people think) or if its because the 13 beat the 4 and now XU 'gets to play' the 13. All people remember in a year or three is that you won tourney games, they don't care who it was against or not.

If you want to play that card, UC"s one final four run in the last 50 years was because we 'got to play' UTEP the 9 instead of KU, the 1. That door swings both ways bub.

(03-24-2017 05:23 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 12:41 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The thing that annoys me about Lance (and Doc recently) is their need to dismiss the accomplishments of the Huggins era to defend Mick Cronin. I wrote a very long winded response to this BS.

Why do you think they spend so much time bashing Huggins?

Answer: They helped run him out of town and now don't want to be blamed for the state of UC MBB.

Thus they squeal like stuck pigs.

Simple as that.

that's amazing...

Yeah...the media made him be a drunk and get his DUI. The media made him recruit and bring thugs to campus. LOL wow.

Huggins ran himself out of town with his drinking problem. He is also the one who brought kids like Art Long, Roy "not so" Bright, Donald Little, etc. to campus. Art Long was supposed to join UC a year earlier than he did...he was busted for selling dope if I recall and couldn't join the team when he wanted to. You had Guns to school boy, torturing roomates boy, and the list went on. Were they all like that? No not at all, but we had enough of them to keep the image going over his tenure.

No...Huggins ran himself out of town.

(03-24-2017 11:10 AM)Xpectations Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 09:11 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  Its best not to feed the stupidity.

X was a bubble team until the very end of the season that had an impressive win last night against the first really good team they played in the tournament. The previous two were lousy and mediocre.

They have still yet to make a single final four in the history of the program, let alone a NC game or NC. At some point, maybe they will. Maybe even this year.

But if the tournament is as people like Lance and X most fans would say "is all that matters". OK, fine than X is just one of the raft of teams that has never in the history of the program, gotten good enough to accomplish a final four or NC season.

If quality of season doesn't matter and making it to the last weekend of the tournament is everything, than I am pretty sure "close doesn't count".

"Final five" - Whoop de effing do.

Yes, let's not feed the stupidity. I at least love how creative you're having to become to define success on such narrow and subjective terms.

Let's see if I have this straight. NCAA Tourney wins don't matter ... unless they're against teams we deem good, regardless of the Committee or other ranking systems ... even if those wins in the two rounds were by an average of 18 points.

Final Fours are the only thing that matter ... even though ours was 25 years ago, and then when my grandparents were barely alive.

Elite Eights? They matter zero. In fact, no wins prior to the Final Four should get any credit whatsoever--which is a great criterion because our last Elite Eight was over 20 years ago (vs. 3) and we've had one Sweet Sixteen (vs. 7) in the past 15 years.

Hell, if you're not going to make a Final Four, why even bother going, or winning at all?

Oh, and if you make a Final Four, that's the one time it's okay to beat mediocre teams--let's say a 13-seed, a 5-seed, a 9-seed, and a 6-seed. But I'm sure those teams were all worthy of 1- or 2-seeds, whereas X's NCAA 6-seed, 3-seed and 2-seed opponents were all grossly overseeded.

Oh, and don't forget that UCLA should have been seeded much, much higher than 3-seed FSU despite the Committee, the best ranking systems and their resume suggesting otherwise.

I'm sure I've forgotten some of the other criteria required to narrow the definition of "success." And I'm sure there's more narrowing to come, if necessary.

Look, is it fair to say X barely made the Tourney this season? Yep. It's been a rough season with Myles' suspension, our most talented player out for the back half of the season--who was already playing with one shoulder before that injury (which you guys saw in person), and our next best player hurt and/or hobbled for much of the back third of the season. X could've mailed it in and said the adversity was too great and we're not good enough to beat good teams.

I can say this. I'm glad they didn't. And while I loved last season, where X truly played on an elite level--spending much of the season in the Top 10 and breaking the Top 5--until the last 6 minutes in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tourney. I like this season even more--especially given what they where faced with.

There are a ton of smart people on this board. One of your fans here (BearcatHawkeye) is my favorite poster on any board. There are many other balanced opinions as well. Other are, let's just say, amusing/entertaining.

there is a tribe of Bearcat fan that thinks that Ohio State and XU have people that are paid to screw UC in every aspect of life....like getting Nancy Zimpher to come here just to wreck the basketball program, like, people that sit on the ncaa committee with the sole purpose to see how bad they can screw UC's seeding and path to the final four, and etc etc etc. These same people blame everyone but Huggins himself (the real culprit) for his not so glorious exit stage left, etc etc etc. It's funny, and sad....and funny.

(03-24-2017 05:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 01:14 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 01:00 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  Maybe we need to take a page of the Boston Red Sox handbook and burn NZ in effigy?

Here is a reason why. Shipped out west UC was put in the same region with UCLA and Kentucky.
While X got to play a weak FSU (note only one ACC team left out of 8) then a west coast version of Duke.

this is typical UC fan delusion...we went out west. So what. You play where they say to play. Kentucky had to go out west too. But they are still playing huh. That is a lame argument.

And XU 'got to play'...look dude, XU wins. I don't give a rats if its an over seeded FSU team (so people think) or if its because the 13 beat the 4 and now XU 'gets to play' the 13. All people remember in a year or three is that you won tourney games, they don't care who it was against or not.

If you want to play that card, UC"s one final four run in the last 50 years was because we 'got to play' UTEP the 9 instead of KU, the 1. That door swings both ways bub.

Yeah. What he said Bub.

Is it football season yet?

EDIT: Can X play football like UC?

(03-24-2017 05:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Is it football season yet?

EDIT: Can X play football like UC?

No, their basketball program is too much of an anchor.

I'll admit to having read none of this thread. That said, I have read the box scores for XUs tournament games. Any more, you can just look at the 3 point shooting and predict which team won, that has held for XU this tournament. Their last 2 opponents shot under 30%, despite XU playing zone. Eggs shot over 60% vs FSU, and limped in at just under 40% last game. They are world beaters, when the opponent cant make open 3s.

(03-24-2017 05:53 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 05:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 01:14 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 01:00 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  Maybe we need to take a page of the Boston Red Sox handbook and burn NZ in effigy?

Here is a reason why. Shipped out west UC was put in the same region with UCLA and Kentucky.
While X got to play a weak FSU (note only one ACC team left out of 8) then a west coast version of Duke.

this is typical UC fan delusion...we went out west. So what. You play where they say to play. Kentucky had to go out west too. But they are still playing huh. That is a lame argument.

And XU 'got to play'...look dude, XU wins. I don't give a rats if its an over seeded FSU team (so people think) or if its because the 13 beat the 4 and now XU 'gets to play' the 13. All people remember in a year or three is that you won tourney games, they don't care who it was against or not.

If you want to play that card, UC"s one final four run in the last 50 years was because we 'got to play' UTEP the 9 instead of KU, the 1. That door swings both ways bub.

Yeah. What he said Bub.

lol I was in a Wolverine mood....

(03-24-2017 06:32 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  I'll admit to having read none of this thread. That said, I have read the box scores for XUs tournament games. Any more, you can just look at the 3 point shooting and predict which team won, that has held for XU this tournament. Their last 2 opponents shot under 30%, despite XU playing zone. Eggs shot over 60% vs FSU, and limped in at just under 40% last game. They are world beaters, when the opponent cant make open 3s.

good call out...given the fact the Mick has said they place more importance on clogging up the lane and making it tough to score inside at the expense of the other team nailing three's, maybe he needs to rethink he lame strategy.....seriously

I didn't call anything out. And Mick's defense is great.

(03-24-2017 06:34 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 06:32 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  I'll admit to having read none of this thread. That said, I have read the box scores for XUs tournament games. Any more, you can just look at the 3 point shooting and predict which team won, that has held for XU this tournament. Their last 2 opponents shot under 30%, despite XU playing zone. Eggs shot over 60% vs FSU, and limped in at just under 40% last game. They are world beaters, when the opponent cant make open 3s.

good call out...given the fact the Mick has said they place more importance on clogging up the lane and making it tough to score inside at the expense of the other team nailing three's, maybe he needs to rethink he lame strategy.....seriously

X's 3 point defense hasn't been good. They've just played teams that have missed open 3s (teams not good at shooting them). Teams that shoot well outside murdered x all season. Mack has basically decided to force teams to hit outside shots and just clogged the paint. Nobody has so far. Given the matchups and x's liabilities on defense the strategy has been golden but they absolutely have not focused on 3 point defense. Uc never gave up the kinds of looks x has from outside.

(03-24-2017 08:11 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  I didn't call anything out. And Mick's defense is great.

oh

well I feel sheepish....

(03-24-2017 05:42 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 05:23 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 12:41 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The thing that annoys me about Lance (and Doc recently) is their need to dismiss the accomplishments of the Huggins era to defend Mick Cronin. I wrote a very long winded response to this BS.

Why do you think they spend so much time bashing Huggins?

Answer: They helped run him out of town and now don't want to be blamed for the state of UC MBB.

Thus they squeal like stuck pigs.

Simple as that.

that's amazing...

Yeah...the media made him be a drunk and get his DUI. The media made him recruit and bring thugs to campus. LOL wow.

Huggins ran himself out of town with his drinking problem. He is also the one who brought kids like Art Long, Roy "not so" Bright, Donald Little, etc. to campus. Art Long was supposed to join UC a year earlier than he did...he was busted for selling dope if I recall and couldn't join the team when he wanted to. You had Guns to school boy, torturing roomates boy, and the list went on. Were they all like that? No not at all, but we had enough of them to keep the image going over his tenure.

No...Huggins ran himself out of town.

Nope--seems to me that they could have kept him...the same way UL kept Pitino despite the bad press....how'd that work out for UL? They're in the ACC and have a national championship to show for it...how'd it work out for UC...over a decade with a single sweet 16 run.

The decision to pull the trigger was Nancy's--she had the power to keep or fire Huggins alone. She fired him, got her head on a stick, and left UC a few years later with the AD much worse for wear...that made her a hero in academic circles and got her the SUNY position.

I know you love NZ, but the simple fact is that her actions have cast a long shadow over the UC's MBB program--her coach is still here, as is his performance. All of you "image" people have (apparently) what you want...a bunch of model citizens that can't penetrate in March. I imagine you're quite happy with that since you all thought FB was going to be the savior of the AD, so you put all your eggs in the FB basket...then the basket broke and the eggs were all smashed...now what do you have? A big pile of mediocrity in both revenue sports...but thank God we don't have that bad press.

What you don't realize is that all of you got tricked into doing the bidding of every XU and OSU fan in town...have fun not winning for the foreseeable future.

Very simple.

(03-24-2017 11:30 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 11:10 AM)Xpectations Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 09:11 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  Its best not to feed the stupidity.

X was a bubble team until the very end of the season that had an impressive win last night against the first really good team they played in the tournament. The previous two were lousy and mediocre.

They have still yet to make a single final four in the history of the program, let alone a NC game or NC. At some point, maybe they will. Maybe even this year.

But if the tournament is as people like Lance and X most fans would say "is all that matters". OK, fine than X is just one of the raft of teams that has never in the history of the program, gotten good enough to accomplish a final four or NC season.

If quality of season doesn't matter and making it to the last weekend of the tournament is everything, than I am pretty sure "close doesn't count".

"Final five" - Whoop de effing do.

Yes, let's not feed the stupidity. I at least love how creative you're having to become to define success on such narrow and subjective terms.

Let's see if I have this straight. NCAA Tourney wins don't matter ... unless they're against teams we deem good, regardless of the Committee or other ranking systems ... even if those wins in the two rounds were by an average of 18 points.

Final Fours are the only thing that matter ... even though ours was 25 years ago, and then when my grandparents were barely alive.

Elite Eights? They matter zero. In fact, no wins prior to the Final Four should get any credit whatsoever--which is a great criterion because our last Elite Eight was over 20 years ago (vs. 3) and we've had one Sweet Sixteen (vs. 7) in the past 15 years.

Hell, if you're not going to make a Final Four, why even bother going, or winning at all?

Oh, and if you make a Final Four, that's the one time it's okay to beat mediocre teams--let's say a 13-seed, a 5-seed, a 9-seed, and a 6-seed. But I'm sure those teams were all worthy of 1- or 2-seeds, whereas X's NCAA 6-seed, 3-seed and 2-seed opponents were all grossly overseeded.

Oh, and don't forget that UCLA should have been seeded much, much higher than 3-seed FSU despite the Committee, the best ranking systems and their resume suggesting otherwise.

I'm sure I've forgotten some of the other criteria required to narrow the definition of "success." And I'm sure there's more narrowing to come, if necessary.

Look, is it fair to say X barely made the Tourney this season? Yep. It's been a rough season with Myles' suspension, our most talented player out for the back half of the season--who was already playing with one shoulder before that injury (which you guys saw in person), and our next best player hurt and/or hobbled for much of the back third of the season. X could've mailed it in and said the adversity was too great and we're not good enough to beat good teams.

I can say this. I'm glad they didn't. And while I loved last season, where X truly played on an elite level--spending much of the season in the Top 10 and breaking the Top 5--until the last 6 minutes in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tourney. I like this season even more--especially given what they where faced with.

There are a ton of smart people on this board. One of your fans here (BearcatHawkeye) is my favorite poster on any board. There are many other balanced opinions as well. Other are, let's just say, amusing/entertaining.

Unfortunately the X fan is making the most sense to me in this thread.

I mostly agree with him here, but it's a lot easier to sound humble and smart when you are winning.

Let's not forget a month ago X (and Mack) was getting booed off the court at home in front of 6k fans. They were frustrated with Mack and the team's failure last year and were crediting his previous sweet 16s to low seeds.

To borrow a quote from Ocean's 11, "In this town, your luck can change just that quickly."

You are never as good as you think or as bad as you think. You simply can't build a winning program quickly in a mediocre conference without lots of money. We don't have it.

I see lots of positive changes in the quality of player we have going. Take a look at this years underclassmen for reference. In life, there are no guarantees, but we are certainly set up for success.

(03-24-2017 05:42 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Yeah...the media made him be a drunk and get his DUI. The media made him recruit and bring thugs to campus. LOL wow.

Huggins ran himself out of town with his drinking problem. He is also the one who brought kids like Art Long, Roy "not so" Bright, Donald Little, etc. to campus. Art Long was supposed to join UC a year earlier than he did...he was busted for selling dope if I recall and couldn't join the team when he wanted to. You had Guns to school boy, torturing roomates boy, and the list went on. Were they all like that? No not at all, but we had enough of them to keep the image going over his tenure.

No...Huggins ran himself out of town.

Wait a damn minute here! Over the past 1-2 years, haven't YOU been making posts about how Mick should start taking chances on lower character kids?

(03-24-2017 05:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Is it football season yet?

EDIT: Can X play football like UC?

If you're talking about last year, they arguably could.