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Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne... maybe?
Per ESPN / Jeff Goodman, Whitford is heading from Muncie to Pittsburgh.

Edited Title to reflect ESPN correcting their story.
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne
Ouch!!!
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne
Ball State and Miami may now be looking at the same group of candidates. 5 years ago, Miami offered Whitford, he made some demands which our AD did not agree to, and James said no and ended up at Ball State. At least this time I think Miami is serious about trying to turn the program around.
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne
ESPN has corrected their story. Not hired (yet), but on a 2nd interview.
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne
Duquesne hasn't been good in decades and playing in Pitt's shadow in not all that great facilities. I don't see them contending in the A10 any time soon.
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne
Fine by me. Still hasn't recruited a big man since he's been here.
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne
(03-23-2017 09:30 PM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  Fine by me. Still hasn't recruited a big man since he's been here.

Wow. BSU goes 11 - 7 in conference, makes the MAC semis and you say 'meh'???
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne
(03-24-2017 04:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 09:30 PM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  Fine by me. Still hasn't recruited a big man since he's been here.

Wow. BSU goes 11 - 7 in conference, makes the MAC semis and you say 'meh'???

By beating up on a very weak MAC West who they went 9-1 against, 10-1 if you count the tournament. Whitford has Ball State trending in the right direction, but I wouldn't exactly say they've 'made it' yet. I was actually surprised when I saw Whirford was leaving as I felt he still has more to prove. Then again anyone with an established resume would hold out for something better than the dead end job of Duquesne.
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(03-24-2017 04:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 09:30 PM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  Fine by me. Still hasn't recruited a big man since he's been here.

Wow. BSU goes 11 - 7 in conference, makes the MAC semis and you say 'meh'???

Yes. It's like Gulliver vs the Lilliputians when they play Akron or Ohio or even Western. It's taken him years to get a true big man and still hasn't got it done.

They haven't beaten Akron or Kent in a million tries and I don't think Ohio either.

He does have them going in the right direction. The product on the court was so much better. Take away the OOC in the 300's and I'm not sure you've seen 2 consecutive 20 win teams.
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne
A lot depends on what he sees as his career trajectory, and/or how he views the administration at Ball St.and its support of him or the program. At Duquesne, he will get more money for a few years. That may be enough to make the move. It would have been a stupid move for Dambrot a few years back because he was looking more for stability and institutional support more than the salary increase for 4-5 years. Basketball wise, it's basically lateral: terrible program but in a better conference with more upside. Being in a better conference doesn't matter much if you are always near the bottom But if you can turn it around, the upside is higher. I think coaches always believe they can be the guy to turn around bad programs.

This is a really interesting situation, but just the fact that he is going for a second interview means his time at BSU is limited. It's always tough to go back when you have publicly flirted with another girl: see Dakich, Murphy. Awkward!
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne... maybe?
If I were Duquesne, I'd be looking at a couple things with Whit (these are the things that frustrate us BSU folks)...

- The running joke thread on the BSU fan site is regarding the race to see if BSU maintained the worst OOC SOS for the season. I think this year we came in 2nd best err... worst in that competition, after maybe being 5th the year prior. Building 20 win seasons is great and all, but IU-Kokomo and Longwood and North Florida and South Utah and Bradley and... sigh. No wonder our attendance is in the crapper.

- Trey Moses has turned out to be a good big man. But, in Whit's four years, he's the only big that's been successfully recruited (EDIT: I should say two, Moses and Teague, but only one back-to-the-basket post player). He has had a big ole whiff on every other big man recruit, and next year he maybe would have paid for it now that Franko (not his recruit) is gone. This year, of the four open schollies, only one commit in the fall. Granted, a solid 3-star guard, but three open schollies going into the late recruiting season. Two more have now been filled, one with a player (again 3-star) who we were gifted when Creen was fired at IU, and another project big who verballed the day before this Duq business started and had very little interest from anyone MAC or higher. Who knows if either will stay. The last two years had desperation pick-ups of graduate bigs that ended up being 7 foot scout team players, and also throw a practice player JUCO 6'8" into the mix and the 6'8" freshman who left for junior college after his redshirt. So, Whit is 1 for 5 in his big recruiting, with the 4 being total whiffs who have since left, and with two unknowns (Hollywood, a redshirt freshman this year, and the aforementioned project). Actually, I will say 2 for 6, as Teague was a solid pickup, but I'm speaking more about his inability to land true inside post players, and he is most definitely a slasher and mid-ranger and not really a post.

I won't be sad to see him gone in general, but I will be concerned for the state of the season next year. Who will leave? Who can a new coach get to plug the gaps? Of course, that's what Miami and everyone else in this situation goes through, so it's not really unique to BSU, but it seemed like we were on the cusp of getting somewhere finally, and maybe were just one big man recruit away from finally moving back to the top tier in the MAC. Sigh.

I have to agree with commitment from the administration being a reason he may be leaving. That and the writing on the wall about the fact BSU may have peaked under his watch at this point. The admin has shown little commitment to returning this program to what it once was. And... who am I kidding? Majerus was an accident, and Hunsaker was a first year head coach who rode in with Majerus. The start of BSU's 90's peak was full on accident based on Rick picking a school that was close to his parents and not anything the administration did. Ray turned out OK, but was again a first time head coach who worked out. Buckley was a first time head coach who took the program a step further down. Then Ronny came along and totally blew the thing up. I give Taylor and Whit some credit for salvaging and stopping the bleeding, but the program is nowhere near where it was with even Buck, let alone with Ray or Dick regardless of what the record states. Both of these coaches padded wins with sorry SOS, and the RPI reflects that (21 wins this year and in the 150-170 range, while Buck's .500 level teams were usually 130-150... actually, that's a reflection on the entire conference as much as the OOC scheduling, but I digress).
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne... maybe?
Speaking of coaching messes, how about UMass? They hired the coach from Winthrop and were set to announce him, had the press conference ready to go yesterday and then THIRTY MINUTES before it was scheduled, he gets cold feet and decides to go back to Winthrop.

Ouch.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...emen-coach

As a guy on the radio said this a.m., it gives new meaning to the name "Minutemen."
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne... maybe?
Whitford turned down the Duq offer. With all said above, I'm still glad he stayed. Now... go get me a quality JUCO middle guy and we'll be in bizness...
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne... maybe?
Finally coaches are learning that a small step up can be fraught with peril and a good mid-major job is worth keeping.
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne... maybe?
Duquesne is once again trying to make a push for Dambrot.

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/duques...h-dambrot/
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Stop trying to make Fetch happen, Duquesne.
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne... maybe?
Wouldn't be the first time Whitford pulled out of a job at the last minute. And in both cases he probably made the right decision.
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(03-24-2017 08:11 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Wouldn't be the first time Whitford pulled out of a job at the last minute. And in both cases he probably made the right decision.

Without a doubt, and he has the program on a good upswing. Administrative support is pretty good at Ball State today. Will break ground on new practice facility for basketball and volleyball next week. Looking forward to next season already.
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RE: Whitford leaving Ball St. for Duquesne... maybe?
(03-25-2017 12:23 AM)LongtimeFan Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 08:11 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Wouldn't be the first time Whitford pulled out of a job at the last minute. And in both cases he probably made the right decision.

Without a doubt, and he has the program on a good upswing. Administrative support is pretty good at Ball State today. Will break ground on new practice facility for basketball and volleyball next week. Looking forward to next season already.

Great.

Did he get a new contract out of this?
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(03-26-2017 04:19 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-25-2017 12:23 AM)LongtimeFan Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 08:11 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Wouldn't be the first time Whitford pulled out of a job at the last minute. And in both cases he probably made the right decision.

Without a doubt, and he has the program on a good upswing. Administrative support is pretty good at Ball State today. Will break ground on new practice facility for basketball and volleyball next week. Looking forward to next season already.

Great.

Did he get a new contract out of this?
Got an extension a year ago.
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