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What SID Eugene Canal says about Costa Rica box scores:

"I don’t have a PDF box I can send you for the second game, will try after today’s game against McGill. The reason we didn’t post the first box on our website was because we thought it was best to not have some of the numbers taken out of context. The FIBA rules are different from the NCAA’s, the court isn’t as wide as in the states, and frankly, some of the numbers are flat out wrong. So with that said, we thought it was best to just post a story, as have the other schools that have traveled down here."

Dulling had 6 points and 3 rebounds compared to 19 and 3 in the first game. I asked SID Gene Canal about that. He said:

"About 7 less minutes, plus he was playing against much older, more physical guys in game 2. There is also the chance he just played out of his mind in game 1, he’s technically not even a freshman yet so inconsistency should be expected."

Lost to McGill 85-79.

Here's KSU story:

http://www.kentstatesports.com/news/2017...cgill.aspx

I am excited for this season of KSU Men's Bball. Correct me if I am wrong, but KSU will have 2 players sitting out this year due to transfer rules (Kain Harris & Phillip Whittington), so that leaves 11 players battling for playing time.

Guards: Taishaun Johnson, Mitch Peterson, Jalen Avery, Jaylin Walker, Desmond Ridenour, Kevin Zabo

Forwards/Centers: Adonis De La Rosa, BJ Duling, Akiean Frederick, Danny Pippen, Jonathon Nwankwo

Should be a very talented and experienced team. How much does KSU miss Deon Edwin & Jimmy Hall on offense/defense?

Link to updated roster: http://www.kentstatesports.com/roster.as...ath=mbball

Just took a look @ the Akron Zips men's bball roster and coaching staff. Still weird to not see Dambrot/his staff that was there forever. (Geno Ford's brother, Dustin is on the staff)
Link to Akron's men's basketball roster/coaching staff: http://www.gozips.com/roster.aspx?path=m...sort=class

4 transfers, 6 true freshmen, 3 sophmores, 1 junior, & 1 senior

Arkansas State alum Devin Carter has signed an NBA G League contract and will be draft eligible next month, per a league source

The NCAA is considering voting on whether to eliminate the transfer rule that requires a player to sit out a year. It would apply only to student-athletes in good academic standing, a standard not yet specified. If that were to be voted on and passed, the constant roster upheavals would become much, much worse. I have no idea on how likely such a vote is, or how the vote would go were there a vote. From a fairness standpoint I would be in favor. I mean, why should someone in good standing and enrolled in a school be barred from participating in a sport they offer? From a more practical standpoint, it would change college basketball (and all sports) as we now know it. The mid-major schools would become in effect AA farm clubs. Players who show that they can play at a big-time school (the AAA) will leave. While those players at low-major, D II and D III schools that are good enough will move up to mid-majors. Also, players not getting enough playing time or who don't like the coach, or whatever, will make lateral moves all the time.

It will create a lot of commotion no doubt but can it be any worse than the NBA? Heck the July 1 to July 10 NBA free agent period is a lot of fun if your an NBA fan. With a little creativity they can do the same in college. It needs some structure but it won't be the end of the world.

(09-27-2017 02:19 PM)burden Wrote:  It will create a lot of commotion no doubt but can it be any worse than the NBA? Heck the July 1 to July 10 NBA free agent period is a lot of fun if your a NBA fan. With a little creativity they can do the same in college. It needs some structure but it won't be the end of the world.

Agree, Burden, IF it were to happen it wouldn't be the end of the world. But we would be even further away from the old days when transferring was rare. We are already a long ways from then.

Seems like this would make the big guys treat MAC level schools like we treat JUCOs. At the end of the year they'll evaluate their roster and incoming recruits, then pillage the mid-major rosters to fill the holes. From the players standpoint they would be faced with a loyalty vs. complacency question. I'm sure the rule would be that schools can't reach out to players about transferring the players have to reach out... but we all know how well that rule is currently respected.

This could result in more high level recruits going to mid-majors when they don't get the specific offer they want but they would be viewing them as a prep-school and planning to bolt in 1 or 2 years. I guess it would be similar to what the big schools have to deal with right now with one-and-done players.

Given the current Federal investigation surrounding recruiting practices the timing of this rule change discussion seems odd.

(09-28-2017 12:43 PM)fallsdog Wrote:  Given the current Federal investigation surrounding recruiting practices the timing of this rule change discussion seems odd.

Good point. The push to pay players seems a little strange too. At least the better ones have apparently been doing fairly well.

This is from an online newspaper article. If I read correctly, an athlete would be limited to one transfer without sitting out. I have no idea how likely it is that the NCAA will even act on the report from the "working group". What I find more interesting is the final paragraph, as to how the frequency of transfers has already been increasing so much:

But buried in the 13th paragraph of a recent NCAA release about the working group soliciting input from presidents, coaches and administrators is this cryptic mouthful:
An academic transfer standard for all students that would tie one-time immediate eligibility for competition after transfer to a set of academic benchmarks instead of what sport the student-athlete competes (in).
We’ll provide the translation: Allow football and basketball players to transfer without sitting out a year as long as athletes already taking dumbed-down classes from friendly professors with unlimited tutoring achieve some sort of arbitrary academic threshold that will merely encourage them to take an even less demanding curriculum.
That curveball might flummox Average Joe Fan but it’s not getting past Div. I coaches in men’s basketball, where rosters go only 13 deep and a key transfer, in or out, can transform a team’s fortunes.

Even with the deterrent of sitting out a full year, the transfer market has gone tilt. According to verbalcommits.com, 848 Div. I men’s basketball players – or roughly 2.5 per team – sought new homes in 2017 alone, an increase of nearly 50 percent in just five years. The NCAA’s own data shows that on average two in five players will transfer by the end of their sophomore season.

Isn't most of the recent increase due to the fact that the senior/grad student transfers don't have to sit out a year? It gives you a pretty good idea on how the floodgates might open if the one your out restriction is lifted for all players.

Is this proposed change only for basketball? I assume not. This might actually help Kent as some of the 3rd/4th stringers at Ohio St etc might actually help Kent when they realize they will never play for a big time program.

Burden, I believe it is for all sports. Yes, with such a rule Kent State could lose top players to power 5 schools, but could also gain players who see they aren't going to plat at a "power 5". The same could be true in basketball. It's a good point, one I hadn't thought of.

(09-28-2017 05:53 PM)burden Wrote:  Isn't most of the recent increase due to the fact that the senior/grad student transfers don't have to sit out a year? It gives you a pretty good idea on how the floodgates might open if the one your out restriction is lifted for all players.

Is this proposed change only for basketball? I assume not. This might actually help Kent as some of the 3rd/4th stringers at Ohio St etc might actually help Kent when they realize they will never play for a big time program.

Not sure I agree. We haven't had much luck with role-player transfers from bigger schools.

Sorry, Burden. I failed to note all your questions. Yes, I believe the biggest chunk of the increase is due to the senior/grad school transfers. I've been following college basketball for 60 years, and it seems to me, though, that transfers, in general, had steadily increased over the years, especially since the 1960's. I suppose it is good for the athletes, although the grass isn't always greener at the new school. Fans just have to adjust to less continuity from season to season. It's easy to adjust if a team keeps winning,

(09-28-2017 07:31 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 05:53 PM)burden Wrote:  Isn't most of the recent increase due to the fact that the senior/grad student transfers don't have to sit out a year? It gives you a pretty good idea on how the floodgates might open if the one your out restriction is lifted for all players.

Is this proposed change only for basketball? I assume not. This might actually help Kent as some of the 3rd/4th stringers at Ohio St etc might actually help Kent when they realize they will never play for a big time program.

Not sure I agree. We haven't had much luck with role-player transfers from bigger schools.

You might be right. I'm just assuming better players will transfer if they don't have to sit out a year. Just an assumption though.

MAC East Division MBB Preseason Poll (first place votes)
1. Buffalo – 166 points (24)
2. Kent State – 139 points (2)
3. Ohio – 127 points (3)
4. Akron – 84 points (1)
5. Bowling Green – 82 points
6. Miami – 32 points

MAC West Division MBB Preseason Poll (first place votes)
1. Western Michigan – 169 points (22)
2. Ball State – 156 points (8)
3. Toledo – 107 points
4. Eastern Michigan – 103 points
5. Northern Illinois – 57 points
6. Central Michigan – 38 points

MAC Tournament Champion: Western Michigan (10), Buffalo (9), Ball State (5), Kent State (2), Toledo (2), Bowling Green (1), Miami (1)

MAC East Division Preseason All-MAC Team
C.J. Massinburg, Buffalo, Jr., Guard
Nick Perkins, Buffalo, Jr., Forward
Jaylin Walker, Kent State, Jr., Guard
Jordan Dartis, Ohio, Jr., Guard
Jason Carter, Ohio, So., Forward

MAC West Division Preseason All-MAC Team
James Thompson IV, Eastern Michigan, Jr., Forward/Center
Thomas Wilder, Western Michigan, Sr., Guard
Tayler Persons, Ball State, Jr., Guard
Jaelan Sanford, Toledo, Jr., Guard
Eugene German, Northern Illinois, So., Guard

Looking at the roster it looks like we have 3 walk-ons this year. Here's the list of them.

Ryan Bernstein 6'0" 180 lb Junior PG. Played the last two years at Maine so I assume he's sitting out. Looks like he played alot for Maine (17.9 mpg then 26.8 mpg). Not much to speak of in the way of stats from those minutes though.

Chris Johnson 6'6" 207 lb Sophomore F. He's from Chicago and played at Malone last year. Didn't play much (8.5 mpg). The only notable stat I saw was 3.0 rebounds per game. That's a pretty good rebounding rate. I assume he has to sit out too. Not sure what the rule is when transferring from a lower division.

PJ Grant 6'3" 188 lb Junior G. Played at Alderson Broaddus University. He only played 6 games and a total of 19 minutes there. Their site has conflicting information if those 6 games were last year or the year before so no idea on if he'll be can play this year. Interesting Grant played his HS ball at Kent Roosevelt.

Good chance these are all essentially practice squad players. Hopefully we'll blow some teams out and give them a couple minutes of fame. Looks like Tanner Castora, the redshirt walk-on from last year isn't around this year.