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Given the current Federal investigation surrounding recruiting practices the timing of this rule change discussion seems odd.
09-28-2017 12:43 PM
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(09-28-2017 12:43 PM)fallsdog Wrote:  Given the current Federal investigation surrounding recruiting practices the timing of this rule change discussion seems odd.

Good point. The push to pay players seems a little strange too. At least the better ones have apparently been doing fairly well.
09-28-2017 03:20 PM
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This is from an online newspaper article. If I read correctly, an athlete would be limited to one transfer without sitting out. I have no idea how likely it is that the NCAA will even act on the report from the "working group". What I find more interesting is the final paragraph, as to how the frequency of transfers has already been increasing so much:

But buried in the 13th paragraph of a recent NCAA release about the working group soliciting input from presidents, coaches and administrators is this cryptic mouthful:
An academic transfer standard for all students that would tie one-time immediate eligibility for competition after transfer to a set of academic benchmarks instead of what sport the student-athlete competes (in).
We’ll provide the translation: Allow football and basketball players to transfer without sitting out a year as long as athletes already taking dumbed-down classes from friendly professors with unlimited tutoring achieve some sort of arbitrary academic threshold that will merely encourage them to take an even less demanding curriculum.
That curveball might flummox Average Joe Fan but it’s not getting past Div. I coaches in men’s basketball, where rosters go only 13 deep and a key transfer, in or out, can transform a team’s fortunes.

Even with the deterrent of sitting out a full year, the transfer market has gone tilt. According to verbalcommits.com, 848 Div. I men’s basketball players – or roughly 2.5 per team – sought new homes in 2017 alone, an increase of nearly 50 percent in just five years. The NCAA’s own data shows that on average two in five players will transfer by the end of their sophomore season.
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Isn't most of the recent increase due to the fact that the senior/grad student transfers don't have to sit out a year? It gives you a pretty good idea on how the floodgates might open if the one your out restriction is lifted for all players.

Is this proposed change only for basketball? I assume not. This might actually help Kent as some of the 3rd/4th stringers at Ohio St etc might actually help Kent when they realize they will never play for a big time program.
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09-28-2017 05:53 PM
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Burden, I believe it is for all sports. Yes, with such a rule Kent State could lose top players to power 5 schools, but could also gain players who see they aren't going to plat at a "power 5". The same could be true in basketball. It's a good point, one I hadn't thought of.
09-28-2017 06:07 PM
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(09-28-2017 05:53 PM)burden Wrote:  Isn't most of the recent increase due to the fact that the senior/grad student transfers don't have to sit out a year? It gives you a pretty good idea on how the floodgates might open if the one your out restriction is lifted for all players.

Is this proposed change only for basketball? I assume not. This might actually help Kent as some of the 3rd/4th stringers at Ohio St etc might actually help Kent when they realize they will never play for a big time program.

Not sure I agree. We haven't had much luck with role-player transfers from bigger schools.
09-28-2017 07:31 PM
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Sorry, Burden. I failed to note all your questions. Yes, I believe the biggest chunk of the increase is due to the senior/grad school transfers. I've been following college basketball for 60 years, and it seems to me, though, that transfers, in general, had steadily increased over the years, especially since the 1960's. I suppose it is good for the athletes, although the grass isn't always greener at the new school. Fans just have to adjust to less continuity from season to season. It's easy to adjust if a team keeps winning,
09-29-2017 06:46 AM
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(09-28-2017 07:31 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 05:53 PM)burden Wrote:  Isn't most of the recent increase due to the fact that the senior/grad student transfers don't have to sit out a year? It gives you a pretty good idea on how the floodgates might open if the one your out restriction is lifted for all players.

Is this proposed change only for basketball? I assume not. This might actually help Kent as some of the 3rd/4th stringers at Ohio St etc might actually help Kent when they realize they will never play for a big time program.

Not sure I agree. We haven't had much luck with role-player transfers from bigger schools.

You might be right. I'm just assuming better players will transfer if they don't have to sit out a year. Just an assumption though.
09-29-2017 06:49 PM
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