(03-29-2017 06:55 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  I know several Professors who feel that way, even friends with a few (it helps balance out my politics). Funny thing is, we invite them to tailgate, and when they come they had no idea how much fun the gameday feel is, and end up buying in. We had half the math dept at our tailgate 3 yrs ago, and now they pick a game each year to come too, not a big deal, but baby steps.

I wonder if there's a "faculty day" kind of event that could bring more new support? They already get free tickets, but maybe some kind of organized tailgate?

W&M has the most varsity sports in the conference. They also have the 2nd smallest enrollment. I think I've found the problem and the solution to finding adequate funding for basketball but I'm pretty sure it's not one people here will accept.

College professor types simply do not understand the impact a successful athletic program has on the university and thus, their pay. UNC- Chapel Hill is not "Carolina" without their basketball program, they're William and Mary. A fine public institution with a great reputation, but not one flush with cash.

(03-29-2017 01:18 PM)82hawk Wrote:  College professor types simply do not understand the impact a successful athletic program has on the university and thus, their pay. UNC- Chapel Hill is not "Carolina" without their basketball program, they're William and Mary. A fine public institution with a great reputation, but not one flush with cash.

Virginia Tech is a prime example, with their football program

I can only think of one time in the last 20 yrs where the faculty was 100% all in with a sporting event, and that was the 2004 Semifinal.

Pregame tailgate was like Mardi Gras.

(03-29-2017 01:18 PM)82hawk Wrote:  College professor types simply do not understand the impact a successful athletic program has on the university and thus, their pay. UNC- Chapel Hill is not "Carolina" without their basketball program, they're William and Mary. A fine public institution with a great reputation, but not one flush with cash.

25 years ago I used a geology professor at Auburn for some consulting work.

He was the only college professor that I ever knew that understood the relationship between athletics and university funding.

He told me then that each time Auburn lost a football game that donations went down by approximately $1 million, which not only impacted athletics, but also funding for the Auburn geology department.

I can only imagine what 25 years and the changes that G5 have brought about as to what that would equate to today.

As much as we are different from Auburn, we're not as different as many would like to think.

So, you think we should be in the SEC!

;-)

Timely piece on the effect of Gonzaga's basketball program on the survival of the University:

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...y-flourish

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(03-29-2017 10:26 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Timely piece on the effect of Gonzaga's basketball program on the survival of the University:

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...y-flourish

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Wow.

(03-29-2017 10:26 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Timely piece on the effect of Gonzaga's basketball program on the survival of the University:

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...y-flourish

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A great story! And not an isolated incident where success in sports leads to increased funding, larger enrollment and higher gpa and sat's among students.

Somehow we need to destroy the myth that sports and academics are at loggerheads. By investing more in sports the profile is raised and academics benefit. Basketball is the sport with the highest ROI.

(03-30-2017 05:53 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 10:26 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Timely piece on the effect of Gonzaga's basketball program on the survival of the University:

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...y-flourish

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A great story! And not an isolated incident where success in sports leads to increased funding, larger enrollment and higher gpa and sat's among students.

Somehow we need to destroy the myth that sports and academics are at loggerheads. By investing more in sports the profile is raised and academics benefit. Basketball is the sport with the highest ROI.

It is not a myth, it is two rival factions, whether intentional or not. Getting a Professor at a major University to understand why a Football Players lounge with a price tag of $30 million or so can be paid through fundraising and is necessary , is like a football coach understanding the benefits of a government grant for Nuclear Physics research, it happens but in very few instances.

(03-30-2017 07:12 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 05:53 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 10:26 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Timely piece on the effect of Gonzaga's basketball program on the survival of the University:

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...y-flourish

Sent from my SM-N910V using CSNbbs mobile app

A great story! And not an isolated incident where success in sports leads to increased funding, larger enrollment and higher gpa and sat's among students.

Somehow we need to destroy the myth that sports and academics are at loggerheads. By investing more in sports the profile is raised and academics benefit. Basketball is the sport with the highest ROI.

It is not a myth, it is two rival factions, whether intentional or not. Getting a Professor at a major University to understand why a Football Players lounge with a price tag of $30 million or so can be paid through fundraising and is necessary , is like a football coach understanding the benefits of a government grant for Nuclear Physics research, it happens but in very few instances.

I poorly stated my point above.

The factions do compete for funds to a certain degree, whether intentional or not, but it is not a zero sum game as many suppose.

Any action that raises the profile of the institution, benefits both academics and athletics. There appears to be more positive spillover from athletics onto academics than vice versa, although strong academics do help athletics to a certain extent.

W&M currently is generally judged to be superior in its academic achievements than it does in its athletic achievements.

The examples given of UNC-CH and Gonzaga point to how athletic achievements can help raise funds, enrollment and profile for academic resources as well.

The size of the pie is not fixed. As Tribal expressed NCAA tournament success for W&M will generate more participants for fund raising events such as OTOD. This will benefit all aspects of the institution. To quote the overused phrase, a rising tide raises all ships.

Basketball is the sport with the highest ROI.

This is what we need to get the AD and school administration on board with. No other sports has the potential for a Gonzaga effect except basketball. I think there are two reasons that there has been reluctance to admit this in the past. One, emphasizing and providing more resources to basketball is seen as going against the W&M view of athletics: that athletics are there to teach life lessons to the participants and no one team is more important than another in this respect. Two, the school doesn't believe it needs athletics to improve its brand.

To the first point, I echo the points that have already been made about basketball success leading to more resources for all teams (in addition to academics). To the second, as has been discussed on this board before, while we all know how great of a school W&M is it does not have the same name recognition outside of the east coast as many schools we view as peers. There is lots of room for improvement in this area.

I agree that basketball plays a big part in boosting school recognition and funding.

It doesn't always work, however. I asked a group of my granddaughter's teen-age friends what and where Gonzaga was and most of the answers were to the effect that Gonzaga was a Japanese movie monster!

I just received this email. On to phase two of fundraising.

I know this: We never would have gotten to phase two without the people on this message board. The push from you guys made the Athletic Department take notice.

-------------------
March 30, 2017

Dear W&M Men’s Basketball Supporter:

I hope that you share my pride in another exciting, successful season. Winning 17 games, including
a 13-1 record at home was a great accomplishment for our team.
I appreciate the support that we receive from so many friends of our program. Without it we
wouldn’t be able to meet the challenges of funding our scholarships, assistant coaches’ salaries,
summer school tuition, etc.

I am writing to ask that you consider a gift to help us with a special project. The NCAA allows
men’s basketball teams to make an international trip every four years. This experience is invaluable
to our current players since it allows us to practice in the summer in preparation for the trip and play
games that help our players, especially the younger members of our team, develop their individual
skills and learn our system. Making an international trip also impacts our recruiting since so many
teams do it and if we don’t, it would have a negative impact on some recruits.

With this in mind I am asking for your consideration of a gift over and above any donation that you
make to Tribe Men’s Basketball on an annual basis. We would like to take the team to Jamaica this
August. The cost of the trip is $57,000.

In order to confirm the trip we need by April 14 to receive the gifts or pledges which could be paid by
June 1. A fall reception with the team will be held for everyone who contributes $1,000 or more to
this project.

Again, I am grateful for all the support that our team receives. I hope that you can help us reach our
goal and provide this special opportunity for our players.

Go Tribe!

Tony Shaver

Head Coach

P.S. Please use the attached form to make your gift/pledge by April 14.

(03-30-2017 12:31 PM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  I just received this email. On to phase two of fundraising.

I know this: We never would have gotten to phase two without the people on this message board. The push from you guys made the Athletic Department take notice.

-------------------
March 30, 2017

Dear W&M Men’s Basketball Supporter:

I hope that you share my pride in another exciting, successful season. Winning 17 games, including
a 13-1 record at home was a great accomplishment for our team.
I appreciate the support that we receive from so many friends of our program. Without it we
wouldn’t be able to meet the challenges of funding our scholarships, assistant coaches’ salaries,
summer school tuition, etc.

I am writing to ask that you consider a gift to help us with a special project. The NCAA allows
men’s basketball teams to make an international trip every four years. This experience is invaluable
to our current players since it allows us to practice in the summer in preparation for the trip and play
games that help our players, especially the younger members of our team, develop their individual
skills and learn our system. Making an international trip also impacts our recruiting since so many
teams do it and if we don’t, it would have a negative impact on some recruits.

With this in mind I am asking for your consideration of a gift over and above any donation that you
make to Tribe Men’s Basketball on an annual basis. We would like to take the team to Jamaica this
August. The cost of the trip is $57,000.

In order to confirm the trip we need by April 14 to receive the gifts or pledges which could be paid by
June 1. A fall reception with the team will be held for everyone who contributes $1,000 or more to
this project.

Again, I am grateful for all the support that our team receives. I hope that you can help us reach our
goal and provide this special opportunity for our players.

Go Tribe!

Tony Shaver

Head Coach

P.S. Please use the attached form to make your gift/pledge by April 14.

Do we know how much more of the $57K needs to be raised?

(03-30-2017 02:05 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 12:31 PM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  I just received this email. On to phase two of fundraising.

I know this: We never would have gotten to phase two without the people on this message board. The push from you guys made the Athletic Department take notice.

-------------------
March 30, 2017

Dear W&M Men’s Basketball Supporter:

I hope that you share my pride in another exciting, successful season. Winning 17 games, including
a 13-1 record at home was a great accomplishment for our team.
I appreciate the support that we receive from so many friends of our program. Without it we
wouldn’t be able to meet the challenges of funding our scholarships, assistant coaches’ salaries,
summer school tuition, etc.

I am writing to ask that you consider a gift to help us with a special project. The NCAA allows
men’s basketball teams to make an international trip every four years. This experience is invaluable
to our current players since it allows us to practice in the summer in preparation for the trip and play
games that help our players, especially the younger members of our team, develop their individual
skills and learn our system. Making an international trip also impacts our recruiting since so many
teams do it and if we don’t, it would have a negative impact on some recruits.

With this in mind I am asking for your consideration of a gift over and above any donation that you
make to Tribe Men’s Basketball on an annual basis. We would like to take the team to Jamaica this
August. The cost of the trip is $57,000.

In order to confirm the trip we need by April 14 to receive the gifts or pledges which could be paid by
June 1. A fall reception with the team will be held for everyone who contributes $1,000 or more to
this project.

Again, I am grateful for all the support that our team receives. I hope that you can help us reach our
goal and provide this special opportunity for our players.

Go Tribe!

Tony Shaver

Head Coach

P.S. Please use the attached form to make your gift/pledge by April 14.

Do we know how much more of the $57K needs to be raised?

... Or is $57k what is remaining after that original $75k number was thrown out.

I'm on my own overseas trip to Cape Town via here in Dubai. Basketball is popular here. They have a league. Maybe the Tribe could come here?

1. We will know totals by Monday (not sure what takes so long).

2. The $57k is the entire cost of the trip to Jamaica. I think the $75k would have been to a different location.

I'm glad they're still working on it, I was worried it was completely a lost cause. Can't say I imgaine Jamaca having the highest quality of basketball, but it seems like a more budget concious trip, and should be a great experience for the players.