ESPN... ACC....... Sat 9pm..... 3.6m viewers..... 2.03 Rating
CBS..... Big 10.... Sun 3pm.... 3.6m viewers...... 2.29
ESPN... SEC........ Sun 1pm.... 2.7m viewers...... 1.64
ESPN.... Big 12.... Sat 6pm.... 3.3m viewers....... 1.35
ESPN.... PAC........ Sat 11pm.. 2.1m viewers....... 1.24
CBS...... A10........ Sun 12:30p 1.6m viewers....... 1.09
CBS...... MW........ Sat 6pm..... 1.3m viewers...... 0.85
ESPN.... AAC........ Sun 3pm..... 1.2m viewers...... 0.79
Fox....... Big East... Sat 5:30p... 1.1m viewers...... 0.70

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2017.html

I did these fast, I think these are the bb championship game tv ratings. I'll double check them tomorrow.

(03-20-2017 09:56 PM)Topkat Wrote:  ESPN... ACC....... Sat 9pm..... 3.6m viewers..... 2.03 Rating
CBS..... Big 10.... Sun 3pm.... 3.6m viewers...... 2.29
ESPN... SEC........ Sun 1pm.... 2.7m viewers...... 1.64
ESPN.... Big 12.... Sat 6pm.... 3.3m viewers....... 1.35
ESPN.... PAC........ Sat 11pm.. 2.1m viewers....... 1.24
CBS...... A10........ Sun 12:30p 1.6m viewers....... 1.09
CBS...... MW........ Sat 6pm..... 1.3m viewers...... 0.85
ESPN.... AAC........ Sun 3pm..... 1.2m viewers...... 0.79
Fox....... Big East... Sat 5:30p... 1.1m viewers...... 0.70

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2017.html

I did these fast, I think these are the bb championship game tv ratings. I'll double check them tomorrow.

A little surprising to me. I figured with two top 15 teams and the last game before the selection, we would have at least been ahead of the A10 and MW. Surprised to see the BE so bad, thexcept BE tourney has traditionally been the grand daddy of all the tourneys.

(03-21-2017 08:19 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 09:56 PM)Topkat Wrote:  ESPN... ACC....... Sat 9pm..... 3.6m viewers..... 2.03 Rating
CBS..... Big 10.... Sun 3pm.... 3.6m viewers...... 2.29
ESPN... SEC........ Sun 1pm.... 2.7m viewers...... 1.64
ESPN.... Big 12.... Sat 6pm.... 3.3m viewers....... 1.35
ESPN.... PAC........ Sat 11pm.. 2.1m viewers....... 1.24
CBS...... A10........ Sun 12:30p 1.6m viewers....... 1.09
CBS...... MW........ Sat 6pm..... 1.3m viewers...... 0.85
ESPN.... AAC........ Sun 3pm..... 1.2m viewers...... 0.79
Fox....... Big East... Sat 5:30p... 1.1m viewers...... 0.70

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2017.html

I did these fast, I think these are the bb championship game tv ratings. I'll double check them tomorrow.

A little surprising to me. I figured with two top 15 teams and the last game before the selection, we would have at least been ahead of the A10 and MW. Surprised to see the BE so bad, thexcept BE tourney has traditionally been the grand daddy of all the tourneys.

This bothers me as well. I think it boils down to what a major problem for us in terms of scheduling OOC and getting into OOC exempt tournament (not to mention getting out of the AAC)--- our TV ratings are not that good. A few years ago I would have been floored if you would have told me that a Rhode Island-VCU or Nevada-Colorado State game would have garnered higher ratings than one of ours.

This problem boils down to one I have raised before--- UC has not done a good enough job making themselves relevant to people outside of I-275. We can't just rely on the Tri-State area alone. We just don't have the population density plus half of the town roots for another program.

(03-21-2017 08:34 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:19 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 09:56 PM)Topkat Wrote:  ESPN... ACC....... Sat 9pm..... 3.6m viewers..... 2.03 Rating
CBS..... Big 10.... Sun 3pm.... 3.6m viewers...... 2.29
ESPN... SEC........ Sun 1pm.... 2.7m viewers...... 1.64
ESPN.... Big 12.... Sat 6pm.... 3.3m viewers....... 1.35
ESPN.... PAC........ Sat 11pm.. 2.1m viewers....... 1.24
CBS...... A10........ Sun 12:30p 1.6m viewers....... 1.09
CBS...... MW........ Sat 6pm..... 1.3m viewers...... 0.85
ESPN.... AAC........ Sun 3pm..... 1.2m viewers...... 0.79
Fox....... Big East... Sat 5:30p... 1.1m viewers...... 0.70

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2017.html

I did these fast, I think these are the bb championship game tv ratings. I'll double check them tomorrow.

A little surprising to me. I figured with two top 15 teams and the last game before the selection, we would have at least been ahead of the A10 and MW. Surprised to see the BE so bad, thexcept BE tourney has traditionally been the grand daddy of all the tourneys.

This bothers me as well. I think it boils down to what a major problem for us in terms of scheduling OOC and getting into OOC exempt tournament (not to mention getting out of the AAC)--- our TV ratings are not that good. A few years ago I would have been floored if you would have told me that a Rhode Island-VCU or Nevada-Colorado State game would have garnered higher ratings than one of ours.

This problem boils down to one I have raised before--- UC has not done a good enough job making themselves relevant to people outside of I-275. We can't just rely on the Tri-State area alone. We just don't have the population density plus half of the town roots for another program.

CBS game vs. Cable game. Big East was on network TV with the defending champions and still couldn't draw as well as the AAC final. I also imagine that if the game were more competitive ratings would have been better. No surprise we aren't in the ballpark of the p5 conferences.

Keep in mind the BE is now completely made up of small private schools, many of which aren't northeastern. The only traditional BE school with any national perception is Villanova. That conference desperately needs Georgetown to be relevant again.

(03-21-2017 09:18 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Keep in mind the BE is now completely made up of small private schools, many of which aren't northeastern. The only traditional BE school with any national perception is Villanova. That conference desperately needs Georgetown to be relevant again.

The BE core problem with tv viewership occurred with their new school composition and there isn't much they can do about it. Even Georgetown has a relatively small fan base although theirs may extend more than others. In general, those schools are all small schools with small alumni bases and the schools don't have a broad appeal to connect with a region so their viewership is limited to their small number of alums.

As a perfect example measure UCs fan base to XUs. A conservative guess is that UCs base is 3-4 times in size if not more like 5-6 times.
Lots more eyeballs watching UC.

(03-21-2017 09:02 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:34 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:19 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 09:56 PM)Topkat Wrote:  ESPN... ACC....... Sat 9pm..... 3.6m viewers..... 2.03 Rating
CBS..... Big 10.... Sun 3pm.... 3.6m viewers...... 2.29
ESPN... SEC........ Sun 1pm.... 2.7m viewers...... 1.64
ESPN.... Big 12.... Sat 6pm.... 3.3m viewers....... 1.35
ESPN.... PAC........ Sat 11pm.. 2.1m viewers....... 1.24
CBS...... A10........ Sun 12:30p 1.6m viewers....... 1.09
CBS...... MW........ Sat 6pm..... 1.3m viewers...... 0.85
ESPN.... AAC........ Sun 3pm..... 1.2m viewers...... 0.79
Fox....... Big East... Sat 5:30p... 1.1m viewers...... 0.70

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2017.html

I did these fast, I think these are the bb championship game tv ratings. I'll double check them tomorrow.

A little surprising to me. I figured with two top 15 teams and the last game before the selection, we would have at least been ahead of the A10 and MW. Surprised to see the BE so bad, thexcept BE tourney has traditionally been the grand daddy of all the tourneys.

This bothers me as well. I think it boils down to what a major problem for us in terms of scheduling OOC and getting into OOC exempt tournament (not to mention getting out of the AAC)--- our TV ratings are not that good. A few years ago I would have been floored if you would have told me that a Rhode Island-VCU or Nevada-Colorado State game would have garnered higher ratings than one of ours.

This problem boils down to one I have raised before--- UC has not done a good enough job making themselves relevant to people outside of I-275. We can't just rely on the Tri-State area alone. We just don't have the population density plus half of the town roots for another program.

CBS game vs. Cable game. Big East was on network TV with the defending champions and still couldn't draw as well as the AAC final. I also imagine that if the game were more competitive ratings would have been better. No surprise we aren't in the ballpark of the p5 conferences.

An AAC final on cable to boot! The new Big East, despite some very good teams, lives in the reflected glory of the old Big East and wasn't even in the ballpark with the P5 for viewership. UCONN, Syracuse and Louisville individually have larger fanbases than most combinations of these mostly small, regional private universities that remain. I read elsewhere (but can't confirm a source) that there were many tickets available for their tourneys in Madison Square Gardens since the split. That would have never happened in the old Big East as the major programs packed the house.

We have our own problems with the AAC. But those who suggest the new BE looks more like the P5 than the AAC, it's hardly the case.

(03-21-2017 09:18 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Keep in mind the BE is now completely made up of small private schools, many of which aren't northeastern. The only traditional BE school with any national perception is Villanova. That conference desperately needs Georgetown to be relevant again.

Indeed. What is going on over there? How much longer is JTIII's leash?

I have no doubt the AAC rating would be higher if it was on an over the air network... the A10 and MW probably would be a little lower if on a cable sports network (but, it would have to be proven).

I believe the AAC football championship game was on a broadcast network, so I'm not sure why Aresco dealt the basketball championship game to cable.

I think these schools (in the AAC) also need to do a better job capturing their city population as viewers. A lot of the cities in the AAC are diverse. I don't see the diversity in the crowds at any of the schools games... that probably translates over to tv viewership, also.

(03-21-2017 09:33 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Even Georgetown has a relatively small fan base although theirs may extend more than others. In general, those schools are all small schools with small alumni bases and the schools don't have a broad appeal to connect with a region so their viewership is limited to their small number of alums.

As a perfect example measure UCs fan base to XUs. A conservative guess is that UCs base is 3-4 times in size if not more like 5-6 times.
Lots more eyeballs watching UC.

The reason I think Georgetown matters is it's the only othee national brand that people recognize. I wasn't thinking as much about their fanbase as much as casual basketball fans.

I'm curious with their ratings issue if Fox will continue to pay such a high price for the league. Despite the money they make the schools lose a lot of exposure not being with the ESPN cartel.

(03-21-2017 09:49 AM)Topkat Wrote:  I have no doubt the AAC rating would be higher if it was on an over the air network... the A10 and MW probably would be a little lower if on a cable sports network (but, it would have to be proven).

I believe the AAC football championship game was on a broadcast network, so I'm not sure why Aresco dealt the basketball championship game to cable.

I think these schools (in the AAC) also need to do a better job capturing their city population as viewers. A lot of the cities in the AAC are diverse. I don't see the diversity in the crowds at games... that probably translates over to tv viewership, also.

SMU, Tulsa, Tulane and UConn are some of the whitest schools in America. If it weren't for athletics they would be nearly 100% white, save for some foreign students. As a result, I don't think minorities in their communities support them very much.

UC, Temple, Memphis, Houston*, UCF*, USF* and ECU* have very diverse fan bases. The asterisk schools are way behind the first group in terms of building up a fan base in their communities from the first three schools I mentioned.

* These schools do not have much of a basketball fan following but obviously their football does pretty well.

(03-21-2017 10:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 09:49 AM)Topkat Wrote:  I have no doubt the AAC rating would be higher if it was on an over the air network... the A10 and MW probably would be a little lower if on a cable sports network (but, it would have to be proven).

I believe the AAC football championship game was on a broadcast network, so I'm not sure why Aresco dealt the basketball championship game to cable.

I think these schools (in the AAC) also need to do a better job capturing their city population as viewers. A lot of the cities in the AAC are diverse. I don't see the diversity in the crowds at games... that probably translates over to tv viewership, also.

SMU, Tulsa, Tulane and UConn are some of the whitest schools in America. If it weren't for athletics they would be nearly 100% white, save for some foreign students. As a result, I don't think minorities in their communities support them very much.

UC, Temple, Memphis, Houston*, UCF*, USF* and ECU* have very diverse fan bases. The asterisk schools are way behind the first group in terms of building up a fan base in their communities from the first three schools I mentioned.

* These schools do not have much of a basketball fan following but obviously their football does pretty well.

I've watched a lot of games over many, many years for the middle group of schools you list (UC, Temple, Memphis...).

I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion their fan base are diverse. It doesn't show in the crowds I see at games. Especially given the student demographics and the immediate surrounding city demographics.

Every conference has schools who don't pull in equivalent ratings to others. The schools in the second paragraph you site (UC, Temple, Memphis, Houston...) should be the ones pulling in the largest eyeballs.

As it stands right now, UConn basketball has the most consistent fan base in terms of eyeballs on TV (other than whoever is winning that given year in football).

(03-21-2017 08:19 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 09:56 PM)Topkat Wrote:  ESPN... ACC....... Sat 9pm..... 3.6m viewers..... 2.03 Rating
CBS..... Big 10.... Sun 3pm.... 3.6m viewers...... 2.29
ESPN... SEC........ Sun 1pm.... 2.7m viewers...... 1.64
ESPN.... Big 12.... Sat 6pm.... 3.3m viewers....... 1.35
ESPN.... PAC........ Sat 11pm.. 2.1m viewers....... 1.24
CBS...... A10........ Sun 12:30p 1.6m viewers....... 1.09
CBS...... MW........ Sat 6pm..... 1.3m viewers...... 0.85
ESPN.... AAC........ Sun 3pm..... 1.2m viewers...... 0.79
Fox....... Big East... Sat 5:30p... 1.1m viewers...... 0.70

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2017.html

I did these fast, I think these are the bb championship game tv ratings. I'll double check them tomorrow.

A little surprising to me. I figured with two top 15 teams and the last game before the selection, we would have at least been ahead of the A10 and MW. Surprised to see the BE so bad, thexcept BE tourney has traditionally been the grand daddy of all the tourneys.

This is not your fathers BE. NO Sadacuse, UConn, Louiswille, WVU, etc.

Not surprising at all.

(03-21-2017 10:37 AM)Topkat Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 09:49 AM)Topkat Wrote:  I have no doubt the AAC rating would be higher if it was on an over the air network... the A10 and MW probably would be a little lower if on a cable sports network (but, it would have to be proven).

I believe the AAC football championship game was on a broadcast network, so I'm not sure why Aresco dealt the basketball championship game to cable.

I think these schools (in the AAC) also need to do a better job capturing their city population as viewers. A lot of the cities in the AAC are diverse. I don't see the diversity in the crowds at games... that probably translates over to tv viewership, also.

SMU, Tulsa, Tulane and UConn are some of the whitest schools in America. If it weren't for athletics they would be nearly 100% white, save for some foreign students. As a result, I don't think minorities in their communities support them very much.

UC, Temple, Memphis, Houston*, UCF*, USF* and ECU* have very diverse fan bases. The asterisk schools are way behind the first group in terms of building up a fan base in their communities from the first three schools I mentioned.

* These schools do not have much of a basketball fan following but obviously their football does pretty well.

I've watched a lot of games for the middle group of schools (UC, Temple, Memphis...).

I'm not sure where you come to the conclusion their fan base are diverse. It doesn't show in the crowds I see at games. Especially given the student demographics and the immediate surrounding city demographics.

Every conference has schools who don't pull in equivalent ratings to others. The schools in that middle tier you site (UC, Temple, Memphis, Houston...) should be the ones pulling in the largest eyeballs.

As it stands right now, UConn basketball has the most consistent fan base in terms of eyeballs on TV (other than whoever is winning that given year in football).

When I am at UC games I would estimate 10% of the crowd is minority-- that is fairly representative of the Tri-State demographic (not just Hamilton County which is higher).

I've been to games at Memphis a few times. I always see a large crowd of minorities there. You might have a point that it could be higher based on the percentage of minorities in the student body and in the metro area (University of Memphis is 35% black).

Houston has a large minority population as well, although nobody attends UH basketball games anyway so there is not much to discuss.

The attendance at most of these tournament must be of some concern. Is it time for more schools to play all games prior to the last two(or three) rounds at the home court of higher rated teams?

It makes some sense to choose a centrally located city to members or a decent destination. With the AAC central would be? Perhaps Knoxville or Atlanta. Atlanta I think is already booked. Could you rent the TN arena? I doubt it because UT plays a lot in the NIT at home.

Decent destination could be NOLA. If your team loses early there is Bourbon Street, etc. Orlando loser go to Disney? Wash DC loser go see Obama?

(03-21-2017 11:02 AM)doss2 Wrote:  The attendance at most of these tournament must be of some concern. Is it time for more schools to play all games prior to the last two(or three) rounds at the home court of higher rated teams?

It makes some sense to choose a centrally located city to members or a decent destination. With the AAC central would be? Perhaps Knoxville or Atlanta. Atlanta I think is already booked. Could you rent the TN arena? I doubt it because UT plays a lot in the NIT at home.

I feel like the game needs to be in quasi close proximity to Memphis, Temple, UCONN, and UC. Those schools will likely have the biggest fanbses willing to travel for Basketball.

(03-21-2017 11:02 AM)doss2 Wrote:  The attendance at most of these tournament must be of some concern. Is it time for more schools to play all games prior to the last two(or three) rounds at the home court of higher rated teams?

It makes some sense to choose a centrally located city to members or a decent destination. With the AAC central would be? Perhaps Knoxville or Atlanta. Atlanta I think is already booked. Could you rent the TN arena? I doubt it because UT plays a lot in the NIT at home.

Decent destination could be NOLA. If your team loses early there is Bourbon Street, etc. Orlando loser go to Disney? Wash DC loser go see Obama?

I've come to the same conclusion. Home court advantage for the first game or two is something to be earned through great performance in the regular season. It would make the conference regular season games even more important. Yes, it favors the best teams. But a team that gets hot late can still win a road game or two in this scenario or earn an NCAA at-large berth if the body of work is good enough.