(03-20-2017 06:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I have to admit to not caring.

I think a great number of Americans don't care either.

Other than to occasionally poke a panicking, pearl clutching liberal for fun, I don't either.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2...tions.html

This is pretty pathetic. Comey in to testify and can't answer a basic, obvious question-How many people in the FBI can unmask a US citizen.

No wonder he can't control leaks. He goes on about the culture, but he doesn't even understand (or won't admit) who can do what.

Funny watching RWT get all weepy about the Ruskis trying to hack our democracy. Wonder if he was equally concerned when Obama ordered an American citizen assassinated or wrote his own legislation?

(03-20-2017 06:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I have to admit to not caring.

I think a great number of Americans don't care either.

relative to impact on my daughter's future???...that's a sin in my book if one doesn't and a major chunk why shite is so fk'd up today....

https://www.wsj.com/articles/comey-doesn...inion_main

Wall Street Journal says same thing I did. Comey was up there 6 hours and didn't really say anything.

New York Fake News Times headline is Comey's "Haunting News on Trump and Russia."

Hardly surprising they can take nothing and make it "haunting."

(03-21-2017 07:55 AM)bullet Wrote:  New York Fake News Times headline is Comey's "Haunting News on Trump and Russia."

Hardly surprising they can take nothing and make it "haunting."

kind of like his haunting 2005 tax returns...

Well Fox thinks the Brits tapping Trump was fake news, so (assuming AP isn't fake news) is benching Napolitano.

The fake news media (CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, NYT) all promote those who give out fake news.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fox-pul...spartanntp

https://spectator.org/yes-obama-did-investigate-trump/

Comey confirmed Trump's tweet. The Obama administration was investigating Trump.

Article also points out how Comey really didn't say anything except that the FBI WAS investigating Trump's campaign. Now the weak questions (again wonder if it was all scripted) left off obvious questions-When was it started? Who started it? Who was being investigated? They should have forced Comey to say that he couldn't answer, or get answers.

I thought he said they started in July?

(03-21-2017 08:44 AM)fsquid Wrote:  I thought he said they started in July?

In that case, he did confirm Trump's tweet in substance despite his comment to the contrary.

(03-21-2017 08:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:44 AM)fsquid Wrote:  I thought he said they started in July?

In that case, he did confirm Trump's tweet in substance despite his comment to the contrary.

sorry I got confused. I thought you were talking about Russia.

(03-20-2017 04:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:14 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:07 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've known for some time that the media has speculated on the connection.

This is the first time I recall the intelligence community acknowledging that they are in fact investigating alleged ties.

Clapper stated a week after he left his post there was smoke but no fire.

Linky?

Provided. Now I believe you owe Monarch a response that's not a run around.

No offense, but I don't owe you or him jack squat. I already provided him the information that I feel answers his question. He feels differently about it than I do, so of course that's not going to satisfy him. And you're not new here. You know damned well that nothing you or I do is going to change any one of our opinions on most matters here.

Our intelligence community says that Russia hacked the DNC...and I think Comey told Senators last week that the RNC was hacked as well did he not?. THAT ALONE undermines our Democracy for the simplest of reasons. It made the DNC look vulnerable and/or wanting, which reflected negatively upon Hillary. If you're going to sit there and pretend that that hack did not sway one vote, you're a bald-faced liar.

Now, I'm not saying it swung the election to Trump...just like I'm not saying this is proof that Trump or one of his minions colluded with Russia. I'm saying that in my opinion that alone is an attack on our democracy of which our free and open elections is the linchpin.

No offense taken - but your response was just as I thought it would be. I posted looking for a direct response, and you cannot provide it. You don't know what happened (if anything). You dont know if there is any evidence, and you cannot articulate how our "democracy was undermined." You have no evidence that anything actually occured, you BELIEVE that Russia was somehow involved and they are investigating, but in terms of hard proof, there is none and we have been running around this topic for months with no findings.

SOMEONE hacked the DNC and aired their dirty laundry. Tough cookies. That doesnt change a thing about our democracy. Quit being slimy and documenting it. Yeah it shifted some peoples thoughts, but that's how it should be. People should be able to make an informed decision, and if they cant be bothered to protect the record of their inappropriate behaviour than how can they be trusted with national security?

There is no evidence that any outside actor did anything to change a damn thing about the democratic process in America.

(03-21-2017 08:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:44 AM)fsquid Wrote:  I thought he said they started in July?

In that case, he did confirm Trump's tweet in substance despite his comment to the contrary.

No. He didn't. Not in any way shape or form. Trump admitted to Tucker Carlson and in the Merkel presser that his tweet was a result of the Bret Baier story the night before, Judge Andrew Napolitano, and an old NY Times article. The Bret Baier story was false, Judge Andrew was debunked by us and the Brits, and the NY Times article had nothing at all to due with Trump Tower.

Just because the Trump campaign had been under investigation by the FBI does not mean that these other falsehoods told by Trump are suddenly confirmed...on ANY level. Sorry.

(03-21-2017 09:13 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:14 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:07 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Clapper stated a week after he left his post there was smoke but no fire.

Linky?

Provided. Now I believe you owe Monarch a response that's not a run around.

No offense, but I don't owe you or him jack squat. I already provided him the information that I feel answers his question. He feels differently about it than I do, so of course that's not going to satisfy him. And you're not new here. You know damned well that nothing you or I do is going to change any one of our opinions on most matters here.

Our intelligence community says that Russia hacked the DNC...and I think Comey told Senators last week that the RNC was hacked as well did he not?. THAT ALONE undermines our Democracy for the simplest of reasons. It made the DNC look vulnerable and/or wanting, which reflected negatively upon Hillary. If you're going to sit there and pretend that that hack did not sway one vote, you're a bald-faced liar.

Now, I'm not saying it swung the election to Trump...just like I'm not saying this is proof that Trump or one of his minions colluded with Russia. I'm saying that in my opinion that alone is an attack on our democracy of which our free and open elections is the linchpin.

No offense taken - but your response was just as I thought it would be. I posted looking for a direct response, and you cannot provide it. You don't know what happened (if anything). You dont know if there is any evidence, and you cannot articulate how our "democracy was undermined." You have no evidence that anything actually occured, you BELIEVE that Russia was somehow involved and they are investigating, but in terms of hard proof, there is none and we have been running around this topic for months with no findings.

SOMEONE hacked the DNC and aired their dirty laundry. Tough cookies. That doesnt change a thing about our democracy. Quit being slimy and documenting it. Yeah it shifted some peoples thoughts, but that's how it should be. People should be able to make an informed decision, and if they cant be bothered to protect the record of their inappropriate behaviour than how can they be trusted with national security?

There is no evidence that any outside actor did anything to change a damn thing about the democratic process in America.

Except for the evidence you just admitted to. Oops.

Our intelligence agencies say it was Russia and I believe them. If you don't. That's fine. That's my proof. If you don't believe that, that's fine too. Doesn't make either of us wrong.

There is nothing I can provide to make you change your mind, so I don't understand why you think I can somehow create it.

(03-21-2017 09:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 09:13 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:14 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Linky?

Provided. Now I believe you owe Monarch a response that's not a run around.

No offense, but I don't owe you or him jack squat. I already provided him the information that I feel answers his question. He feels differently about it than I do, so of course that's not going to satisfy him. And you're not new here. You know damned well that nothing you or I do is going to change any one of our opinions on most matters here.

Our intelligence community says that Russia hacked the DNC...and I think Comey told Senators last week that the RNC was hacked as well did he not?. THAT ALONE undermines our Democracy for the simplest of reasons. It made the DNC look vulnerable and/or wanting, which reflected negatively upon Hillary. If you're going to sit there and pretend that that hack did not sway one vote, you're a bald-faced liar.

Now, I'm not saying it swung the election to Trump...just like I'm not saying this is proof that Trump or one of his minions colluded with Russia. I'm saying that in my opinion that alone is an attack on our democracy of which our free and open elections is the linchpin.

No offense taken - but your response was just as I thought it would be. I posted looking for a direct response, and you cannot provide it. You don't know what happened (if anything). You dont know if there is any evidence, and you cannot articulate how our "democracy was undermined." You have no evidence that anything actually occured, you BELIEVE that Russia was somehow involved and they are investigating, but in terms of hard proof, there is none and we have been running around this topic for months with no findings.

SOMEONE hacked the DNC and aired their dirty laundry. Tough cookies. That doesnt change a thing about our democracy. Quit being slimy and documenting it. Yeah it shifted some peoples thoughts, but that's how it should be. People should be able to make an informed decision, and if they cant be bothered to protect the record of their inappropriate behaviour than how can they be trusted with national security?

There is no evidence that any outside actor did anything to change a damn thing about the democratic process in America.

Except for the evidence you just admitted to. Oops.

THAT DOESNT UNDERMINE DEMOCRACY! That's the whole point. How was DEMOCRACY undermined. Do you know what the word even means? We a free people still had the right to go have our votes counted to go select the leader of our nation just as we do ever 4 years. Our votes counted. A president was selected.

Light was shed on inappropriate behaviour by one party. They were undable to keep their dirty laundry a secret. Because they apparently dont take information security very seriously. And they rightfully paid the price for what they had done. If it was the other way around I would say the same thing. Don't do the crime if you dont want to pay the time. The american people found out some things about one of the parties that was kind of ugly. But if you think that somehow changed the democratic process, I don't know what to tell you, other than you are wrong.

You dont have any proof that "Russia did it" or that the Trump camp was somehow complicit. The left has been railing on about Russia and Trump since August and not a shred of proof has come out. So when will it be?

AS A RESULT OF RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE PEOPLE CHANGED THEIR VOTES.

Sorry, I can't make it any clear. And again. that's they way I feel about it based on what the FBI and the rest of our intelligence agencies say. If you don't, then fine. Stop berating me into changing my mind because it's not going to happen.

Move along.

(03-21-2017 09:13 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:14 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:07 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Clapper stated a week after he left his post there was smoke but no fire.

Linky?

Provided. Now I believe you owe Monarch a response that's not a run around.

No offense, but I don't owe you or him jack squat. I already provided him the information that I feel answers his question. He feels differently about it than I do, so of course that's not going to satisfy him. And you're not new here. You know damned well that nothing you or I do is going to change any one of our opinions on most matters here.

Our intelligence community says that Russia hacked the DNC...and I think Comey told Senators last week that the RNC was hacked as well did he not?. THAT ALONE undermines our Democracy for the simplest of reasons. It made the DNC look vulnerable and/or wanting, which reflected negatively upon Hillary. If you're going to sit there and pretend that that hack did not sway one vote, you're a bald-faced liar.

Now, I'm not saying it swung the election to Trump...just like I'm not saying this is proof that Trump or one of his minions colluded with Russia. I'm saying that in my opinion that alone is an attack on our democracy of which our free and open elections is the linchpin.

No offense taken - but your response was just as I thought it would be. I posted looking for a direct response, and you cannot provide it. You don't know what happened (if anything). You dont know if there is any evidence, and you cannot articulate how our "democracy was undermined." You have no evidence that anything actually occured, you BELIEVE that Russia was somehow involved and they are investigating, but in terms of hard proof, there is none and we have been running around this topic for months with no findings.

SOMEONE hacked the DNC and aired their dirty laundry. Tough cookies. That doesnt change a thing about our democracy. Quit being slimy and documenting it. Yeah it shifted some peoples thoughts, but that's how it should be. People should be able to make an informed decision, and if they cant be bothered to protect the record of their inappropriate behaviour than how can they be trusted with national security?

There is no evidence that any outside actor did anything to change a damn thing about the democratic process in America.

Kaboom!

the dippos have zero basis relative to fact...

(03-21-2017 09:26 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 09:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 09:13 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 04:14 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Provided. Now I believe you owe Monarch a response that's not a run around.

No offense, but I don't owe you or him jack squat. I already provided him the information that I feel answers his question. He feels differently about it than I do, so of course that's not going to satisfy him. And you're not new here. You know damned well that nothing you or I do is going to change any one of our opinions on most matters here.

Our intelligence community says that Russia hacked the DNC...and I think Comey told Senators last week that the RNC was hacked as well did he not?. THAT ALONE undermines our Democracy for the simplest of reasons. It made the DNC look vulnerable and/or wanting, which reflected negatively upon Hillary. If you're going to sit there and pretend that that hack did not sway one vote, you're a bald-faced liar.

Now, I'm not saying it swung the election to Trump...just like I'm not saying this is proof that Trump or one of his minions colluded with Russia. I'm saying that in my opinion that alone is an attack on our democracy of which our free and open elections is the linchpin.

No offense taken - but your response was just as I thought it would be. I posted looking for a direct response, and you cannot provide it. You don't know what happened (if anything). You dont know if there is any evidence, and you cannot articulate how our "democracy was undermined." You have no evidence that anything actually occured, you BELIEVE that Russia was somehow involved and they are investigating, but in terms of hard proof, there is none and we have been running around this topic for months with no findings.

SOMEONE hacked the DNC and aired their dirty laundry. Tough cookies. That doesnt change a thing about our democracy. Quit being slimy and documenting it. Yeah it shifted some peoples thoughts, but that's how it should be. People should be able to make an informed decision, and if they cant be bothered to protect the record of their inappropriate behaviour than how can they be trusted with national security?

There is no evidence that any outside actor did anything to change a damn thing about the democratic process in America.

Except for the evidence you just admitted to. Oops.

THAT DOESNT UNDERMINE DEMOCRACY! That's the whole point. How was DEMOCRACY undermined. Do you know what the word even means? We a free people still had the right to go have our votes counted to go select the leader of our nation just as we do ever 4 years. Our votes counted. A president was selected.

Light was shed on inappropriate behaviour by one party. They were undable to keep their dirty laundry a secret. Because they apparently dont take information security very seriously. And they rightfully paid the price for what they had done. If it was the other way around I would say the same thing. Don't do the crime if you dont want to pay the time. The american people found out some things about one of the parties that was kind of ugly. But if you think that somehow changed the democratic process, I don't know what to tell you, other than you are wrong.

You dont have any proof that "Russia did it" or that the Trump camp was somehow complicit. The left has been railing on about Russia and Trump since August and not a shred of proof has come out. So when will it be?

Kaboom2!

(03-21-2017 09:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  AS A RESULT OF RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE PEOPLE CHANGED THEIR VOTES.

OK - As a result of SOMEONE'S actions people changed their votes.

Now tell me - how does that UNDERMINE DEMOCRACY. What about the democratic process was undermined?