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RE: Sanctuary City Fail - We Must Cancel Cinco de Mayo
(03-20-2017 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
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(03-20-2017 11:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:01 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Just heard a report on the news this morning on a study that was done on the five largest sanctuary cities. The report finds that each of these cities account for 18 percent of the entire manufacturing production of the United States. Their population is younger than the national average and have less people on social services than the national average.
All told, the 5 larges sanctuary cities, rather than being a drag on the economy, actually pull more than their weight for this country.
Who did this study? I'm guessing it's somebody with an agenda who stacked the deck to get the result that he/she wanted.
And this result doesn't suggest that being a sanctuary city improves your economy. My guess is that they were in pretty much the same place economically before they became sanctuary cities. Would that be a good guess?
You may not be far off. Unfortunately, I caught the interview in the middle and didn't get a chance to find out who conducted the study. Otherwise, I would have looked it up and linked it here.
While I realize that most don't consider the economics when it comes to this issue, I think it's important to understand.
Changes in immigration policy will have economic consequences that people should consider.
I'm in favor of permanent guest worker status, but no citizenship for anyone who came here illegally.
Why? Why would you deny someone citizens because they in essence committed a misdemeanor?

Because I don't believe that they should profit from their illegal behavior.
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RE: Sanctuary City Fail - We Must Cancel Cinco de Mayo
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(03-20-2017 08:14 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Hey, I'm with you. People should be free to celebrate a holiday without getting harrassed by the government.

I'm torn, I mean really torn.... The fact it was Saint Patrick's day last week did not, and should not, make it a day where people who are breaking the law are untouchable.

At the same time, prowling a parade looking to arrest people for a non violent crime, seems a bit ghoulish.

Yeah, I don't really care for Cinco de Mayo celebrations, but ICE just patrolling the streets looking for excuses to arrest someone to determine whether or not they might be illegal just doesn't sit right with me.

If you've got documented proof that someone is illegal, sure. But the way I understand how ICE works, many times they don't even find out someone is illegal until their name comes up for some other reason.
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RE: Sanctuary City Fail - We Must Cancel Cinco de Mayo
(03-20-2017 12:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 10:55 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 08:14 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Hey, I'm with you. People should be free to celebrate a holiday without getting harrassed by the government.

I'm torn, I mean really torn.... The fact it was Saint Patrick's day last week did not, and should not, make it a day where people who are breaking the law are untouchable.

At the same time, prowling a parade looking to arrest people for a non violent crime, seems a bit ghoulish.

Yeah, I don't really care for Cinco de Mayo celebrations, but ICE just patrolling the streets looking for excuses to arrest someone to determine whether or not they might be illegal just doesn't sit right with me.

If you've got documented proof that someone is illegal, sure. But the way I understand how ICE works, many times they don't even find out someone is illegal until their name comes up for some other reason.

yea, we dont want ICE in our streets watching for criminal activity, because that might lead to them arresting and deporting someone who is found to be illegal.

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RE: Sanctuary City Fail - We Must Cancel Cinco de Mayo
(03-20-2017 12:38 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 10:55 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 08:14 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Hey, I'm with you. People should be free to celebrate a holiday without getting harrassed by the government.

I'm torn, I mean really torn.... The fact it was Saint Patrick's day last week did not, and should not, make it a day where people who are breaking the law are untouchable.

At the same time, prowling a parade looking to arrest people for a non violent crime, seems a bit ghoulish.

Yeah, I don't really care for Cinco de Mayo celebrations, but ICE just patrolling the streets looking for excuses to arrest someone to determine whether or not they might be illegal just doesn't sit right with me.

If you've got documented proof that someone is illegal, sure. But the way I understand how ICE works, many times they don't even find out someone is illegal until their name comes up for some other reason.

yea, we dont want ICE in our streets watching for criminal activity, because that might lead to them arresting and deporting someone who is found to be illegal.

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Yeah, if only ICE operated that way. Allowing them to patrol anything essentially gives them carte blanche to grab someone for littering just to see if they are illegal or not.

Again, documented proof, by all means. But don't sit there pretending you are providing extra security when you really just want a reason to check names on the off chance you run across a couple who aren't here legally.
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RE: Sanctuary City Fail - We Must Cancel Cinco de Mayo
(03-20-2017 12:38 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 10:55 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 08:14 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Hey, I'm with you. People should be free to celebrate a holiday without getting harrassed by the government.

I'm torn, I mean really torn.... The fact it was Saint Patrick's day last week did not, and should not, make it a day where people who are breaking the law are untouchable.

At the same time, prowling a parade looking to arrest people for a non violent crime, seems a bit ghoulish.

Yeah, I don't really care for Cinco de Mayo celebrations, but ICE just patrolling the streets looking for excuses to arrest someone to determine whether or not they might be illegal just doesn't sit right with me.

If you've got documented proof that someone is illegal, sure. But the way I understand how ICE works, many times they don't even find out someone is illegal until their name comes up for some other reason.

yea, we dont want ICE in our streets watching for criminal activity, because that might lead to them arresting and deporting someone who is found to be illegal.

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Where did anyone say that?
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RE: Sanctuary City Fail - We Must Cancel Cinco de Mayo
(03-20-2017 12:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Who did this study? I'm guessing it's somebody with an agenda who stacked the deck to get the result that he/she wanted.
And this result doesn't suggest that being a sanctuary city improves your economy. My guess is that they were in pretty much the same place economically before they became sanctuary cities. Would that be a good guess?
You may not be far off. Unfortunately, I caught the interview in the middle and didn't get a chance to find out who conducted the study. Otherwise, I would have looked it up and linked it here.
While I realize that most don't consider the economics when it comes to this issue, I think it's important to understand.
Changes in immigration policy will have economic consequences that people should consider.

I'm in favor of permanent guest worker status, but no citizenship for anyone who came here illegally.


Why? Why would you deny someone citizens because they in essence committed a misdemeanor?

Because they are too stupid and lazy to do things the right way. Thats not the type of person we want assimilating here. They can go back to their homeland and be stupid and lazy.

stupid and lazy? i imagine it was a bit taxing to get here. they're literally dying to get here
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RE: Sanctuary City Fail - We Must Cancel Cinco de Mayo
(03-20-2017 12:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Who did this study? I'm guessing it's somebody with an agenda who stacked the deck to get the result that he/she wanted.
And this result doesn't suggest that being a sanctuary city improves your economy. My guess is that they were in pretty much the same place economically before they became sanctuary cities. Would that be a good guess?
You may not be far off. Unfortunately, I caught the interview in the middle and didn't get a chance to find out who conducted the study. Otherwise, I would have looked it up and linked it here.
While I realize that most don't consider the economics when it comes to this issue, I think it's important to understand.
Changes in immigration policy will have economic consequences that people should consider.
I'm in favor of permanent guest worker status, but no citizenship for anyone who came here illegally.
Why? Why would you deny someone citizens because they in essence committed a misdemeanor?

Because I don't believe that they should profit from their illegal behavior.

But don't you believe that the punishment should be equal to the crime? I mean even murderers get to keep their citizenship. Shouldn't there be some recourse for undocumented immigrants who are otherwise willing to be upstanding citizens in every way shape or form?
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RE: Sanctuary City Fail - We Must Cancel Cinco de Mayo
(03-20-2017 12:56 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  You may not be far off. Unfortunately, I caught the interview in the middle and didn't get a chance to find out who conducted the study. Otherwise, I would have looked it up and linked it here.
While I realize that most don't consider the economics when it comes to this issue, I think it's important to understand.
Changes in immigration policy will have economic consequences that people should consider.

I'm in favor of permanent guest worker status, but no citizenship for anyone who came here illegally.


Why? Why would you deny someone citizens because they in essence committed a misdemeanor?

Because they are too stupid and lazy to do things the right way. Thats not the type of person we want assimilating here. They can go back to their homeland and be stupid and lazy.

stupid and lazy? i imagine it was a bit taxing to get here. they're literally dying to get here

I met a guy today whose parents attempted to freaking paddle across the Gulf of Mexico and it's shark infested waters just to give themselves a chance at an actual life. I certainly would not call their efforts lazy.
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RE: Sanctuary City Fail - We Must Cancel Cinco de Mayo
(03-20-2017 01:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:56 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm in favor of permanent guest worker status, but no citizenship for anyone who came here illegally.


Why? Why would you deny someone citizens because they in essence committed a misdemeanor?

Because they are too stupid and lazy to do things the right way. Thats not the type of person we want assimilating here. They can go back to their homeland and be stupid and lazy.

stupid and lazy? i imagine it was a bit taxing to get here. they're literally dying to get here

I met a guy today whose parents attempted to freaking paddle across the Gulf of Mexico and it's shark infested waters just to give themselves a chance at an actual life. I certainly would not call their efforts lazy.

trump's wall is actually a humanitarian gesture. he's trying to keep hispanics from killing themselves
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RE: Sanctuary City Fail - We Must Cancel Cinco de Mayo
(03-20-2017 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 01:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:56 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why? Why would you deny someone citizens because they in essence committed a misdemeanor?

Because they are too stupid and lazy to do things the right way. Thats not the type of person we want assimilating here. They can go back to their homeland and be stupid and lazy.

stupid and lazy? i imagine it was a bit taxing to get here. they're literally dying to get here

I met a guy today whose parents attempted to freaking paddle across the Gulf of Mexico and it's shark infested waters just to give themselves a chance at an actual life. I certainly would not call their efforts lazy.

trump's wall is actually a humanitarian gesture. he's trying to keep hispanics from killing themselves

It would result in more of them killing themselves.
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