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RE: Gonzaga Possible Future Looking For A New Conference
(03-21-2017 04:19 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 03:14 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'd imagine BYU would try to go back to the MWC and if that bridge is burned, they'd finally give in and head to the AAC. St. Mary's is not nearly as distinguished and prosperous as Gonzaga. A travel partner is not nearly as important as it used to be, especially if the Big East would be worried about being stuck with deadweight in the future, a La DePaul or Seton Hall in general. If the Big East went to 12 and split into divisions, the Zags would rarely have to travel past Lake Michigan.

The answer (which I've said before) is for the WCC to invite some top MWC programs who think they are good enough to play Indy football.

WCC could add Boise State, UNLV, San Diego State and New Mexico to go to 14 schools and raise its profile as the #2 overall western conference. Those schools and BYU can play each other as independents. They could transform the WCC into a 3-4 bid NCAA conference.

This makes a lot more sense than moving Gonzaga, BYU and St. Mary's over to the MWC when the WCC is the better basketball conference, IMO.

That'd be like the NEC trying invite AAC teams. No non-religious school is leaving the MWC for the WCC. BYU is just a special circumstance and a fish out of water. If anything, it'll be the reverse.
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MWC= more money than WCC.
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None of what's being said makes any sense. Gonzaga is an institutional fit right where they are. Gonzaga wasn't anything special before Monson/Few and I'm not sure they'd be any different than San Francisco or LMU after Few leaves (granted, that could be a long time). They just earned a one seed and the committee recognizes them despite 85% of their conference being garbage.
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RE: Gonzaga Possible Future Looking For A New Conference
I've mentioned this before but the better west coast BBall schools need to form a new conference. An airport meeting is in order for the most committed from the WCC, BIg West and WAC to form a new conference.

Gonzaga
St. Mary's
BYU
Hawaii
Long Bech St.
UC Santa Barbara
New Mexico St
USF
Santa Clara
Pepperdine
Seattle
Layola Marimont

Of course some schools could be swapped but it would be beneficial for those who take the sport seriously to be proactive like the formation of the Big East in the late 70's when the bigger schools decided to band together and stop aligning with Colgate and St. Francis.
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(03-22-2017 09:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  None of what's being said makes any sense. Gonzaga is an institutional fit right where they are. Gonzaga wasn't anything special before Monson/Few and I'm not sure they'd be any different than San Francisco or LMU after Few leaves (granted, that could be a long time). They just earned a one seed and the committee recognizes them despite 85% of their conference being garbage.

Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if Gonzaga is saying this because they want something more or better in the WCC, and can't get the other schools to think outside the box. That when it went to expansion, it just took a school it used to have that isn't really putting out good hoops anymore with Pacific. Or that they need to find an equal to BYU should they ever leave (and BYU was like a gift from the heavens, falling right into WCC's lap after MWC gutted WAC).

You wonder if there are some in the conference that are looking at Seattle and saying "hmm, these guys might fit," with Gonzaga rolling its eyes. Meanwhile, all of those tiny CA colleges won't sniff a UCal or Cal State school, though some might actually push the conference forward. Or, heck, New Mexico State and their 20-something NCAA trips.
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(03-22-2017 10:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  I've mentioned this before but the better west coast BBall schools need to form a new conference. An airport meeting is in order for the most committed from the WCC, BIg West and WAC to form a new conference.

Gonzaga
St. Mary's
BYU
Hawaii
Long Bech St.
UC Santa Barbara
New Mexico St
USF
Santa Clara
Pepperdine
Seattle
Layola Marimont

Of course some schools could be swapped but it would be beneficial for those who take the sport seriously to be proactive like the formation of the Big East in the late 70's when the bigger schools decided to band together and stop aligning with Colgate and St. Francis.


Other than the fact that some of these schools also value sports like baseball (Big West is a Power Baseball Conference) and other sports besides baseball.

Plus that combinations has schools that don't want to be associated with each other in a formal manner
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RE: Gonzaga Possible Future Looking For A New Conference
Gonzaga has pumped lots of money into thier hoops program so they might think they have outgrown the wcc. The mwc would be an upgrade but not a fit like the wcc. I am surprised the mwc hasn't wanted a hoop only, either gonzaga or Wichita state to offset Hawaii
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RE: Gonzaga Possible Future Looking For A New Conference
(03-22-2017 11:20 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 10:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  I've mentioned this before but the better west coast BBall schools need to form a new conference. An airport meeting is in order for the most committed from the WCC, BIg West and WAC to form a new conference.

Gonzaga
St. Mary's
BYU
Hawaii
Long Bech St.
UC Santa Barbara
New Mexico St
USF
Santa Clara
Pepperdine
Seattle
Layola Marimont

Of course some schools could be swapped but it would be beneficial for those who take the sport seriously to be proactive like the formation of the Big East in the late 70's when the bigger schools decided to band together and stop aligning with Colgate and St. Francis.


Other than the fact that some of these schools also value sports like baseball (Big West is a Power Baseball Conference) and other sports besides baseball.

Plus that combinations has schools that don't want to be associated with each other in a formal manner

Well thats the price to pay for moving up in the collegiate sports world. You think Duke would normally associate with Louisville or Cal associate with ASU?
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Pretty sure Cal and Duke easily predate the stragglers and Johnny-Come-Lately's in their respective conferences.
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WCC does not get much money for being in the WCC. They could be MWC's 12th team for tv contract for other sports that MWC could not have before. You do bring in another large tv market.
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(03-22-2017 01:59 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Pretty sure Cal and Duke easily predate the stragglers and Johnny-Come-Lately's in their respective conferences.

They do, and they associate with them because they know it helps them athletically. If you want OG comparisons Cal & WSU and Duke & NC State.
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A 1980s style Big East in the west is an interesting idea. So I won't nitpick about your choices. But you'd need a couple of large, urban, public schools to anchor it. Specifically, SDSU & UNLV. Maybe SDSU, if you re-invite them to the AAC. No idea how you get UNLV on board.
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(03-22-2017 03:00 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  A 1980s style Big East in the west is an interesting idea. So I won't nitpick about your choices. But you'd need a couple of large, urban, public schools to anchor it. Specifically, SDSU & UNLV. Maybe SDSU, if you re-invite them to the AAC. No idea how you get UNLV on board.

You would have to convince SDSU, UNLV, and Hawaii of the virtues of football independence - more P5 games, avoid the G5 label, and the potential for more TV money. With BYU in the mix, you would have the basis for late season independent football scheduling and a bowl alliance.

Then, get Gonzaga involved and go from there:

SDSU
UNLV
Hawaii
BYU
Gonzaga

I wonder if these brands aligned with the four large Big West AAU schools (including UCSD), could they build a basketball conference that could grow to actually compete with the PAC 12? There seems to be huge potential, but little support so far.

Would interest in UC Davis, UC Irvine, and UC Santa Barbara basketball skyrocket with Gonzaga, BYU, UNLV, and SDSU coming to town?
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Yeah, because going Indy is gonna make anyone take UNLV seriously.
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UC Davis/Irvine/SB/SD are going to compete with Berkeley and LA?

Maybe on the court ... but then Gonzaga is already there.


Gonna be a tough sell to get the core of New Mex/Wyoming/Colo St/SDSU/UNLV/Hawaii/Air Force to break up.

And they'll never allow BYU in, without football included.
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If Gonzaga ends up in the MWC, and thus no way for BYU to join them (regardless of Boise's president trying his hardest), then wonder if BYU would actually consider the WAC?
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BYU going to the WAC might actually draw interests from other D1 schools from the Summit, MVC, Southland to come on board. Maybe some strong D2 schools as well. Would Colorado Mesa be interested in joining the WAC to play BYU? They used to be conference mates before.
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We're pretty far down the rabbit hole. BYU wouldn't be happy without Gonzaga. But even still, the WCC would be a better conference than the WAC. Would make more sense to invite the best WAC teams to the WCC.
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(03-23-2017 12:50 AM)geef Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 12:39 AM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  We're pretty far down the rabbit hole. BYU wouldn't be happy without Gonzaga. But even still, the WCC would be a better conference than the WAC. Would make more sense to invite the best WAC teams to the WCC.

It's David St. The rabbit hole's depth knows no limit.
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(03-23-2017 12:39 AM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  We're pretty far down the rabbit hole. BYU wouldn't be happy without Gonzaga. But even still, the WCC would be a better conference than the WAC. Would make more sense to invite the best WAC teams to the WCC.

It's David State. The rabbit hole's depth knows no limit.
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