(03-29-2017 09:09 AM)Money Wrote:  ... that assumes Devontae and CJ stay which is not the current expectation

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Have they already started the process of leaving?

(03-29-2017 09:09 AM)Money Wrote:  ... that assumes Devontae and CJ stay which is not the current expectation

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Are you privy to info that the rest of us aren't?

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(03-29-2017 09:09 AM)Money Wrote:  ... that assumes Devontae and CJ stay which is not the current expectation

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Curious as to what you have heard. If we get a good coach in here, not sure why they wouldn't stay.

(03-29-2017 09:09 AM)Money Wrote:  ... that assumes Devontae and CJ stay which is not the current expectation

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Pretty sure I would have heard if it were "expected" that they were leaving. Plus, it makes no sense if they had no clue who would follow Keatts. As good as they both are, they'd have to sit a year and I would assume they would leave for a "better" program, with no guarantee of playing time.

Cacock is not a 4, he's a 5. And as a 6'7" (5), there aren't many upgrades over UNCW who have a spot for very good but undersized 5. Bryce could possibly have more options, but his numbers have come in a high octane pressure defense system. Unless he's being looked at by a team with a similar style to Keatts, he may not have as many upgraded suitors as you think.

(03-29-2017 09:20 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:09 AM)Money Wrote:  ... that assumes Devontae and CJ stay which is not the current expectation

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Pretty sure I would have heard if it were "expected" that they were leaving. Plus, it makes no sense if they had no clue who would follow Keatts. As good as they both are, they'd have to sit a year and I would assume they would leave for a "better" program, with no guarantee of playing time.

Cacock is not a 4, he's a 5. And as a 6'7" (5), there aren't many upgrades over UNCW who have a spot for very good but undersized 5. Bryce could possibly have more options, but his numbers have come in a high octane pressure defense system. Unless he's being looked at by a team with a similar style to Keatts, he may not have as many upgraded suitors as you think.

I think Bryce could play in the ACC for any team. Cacok is undersized at that level and it would be a struggle for him. Bryce is a good defender with size and scoring ability.

(03-29-2017 09:40 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:20 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:09 AM)Money Wrote:  ... that assumes Devontae and CJ stay which is not the current expectation

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Pretty sure I would have heard if it were "expected" that they were leaving. Plus, it makes no sense if they had no clue who would follow Keatts. As good as they both are, they'd have to sit a year and I would assume they would leave for a "better" program, with no guarantee of playing time.

Cacock is not a 4, he's a 5. And as a 6'7" (5), there aren't many upgrades over UNCW who have a spot for very good but undersized 5. Bryce could possibly have more options, but his numbers have come in a high octane pressure defense system. Unless he's being looked at by a team with a similar style to Keatts, he may not have as many upgraded suitors as you think.

I think Bryce could play in the ACC for any team. Cacok is undersized at that level and it would be a struggle for him. Bryce is a good defender with size and scoring ability.

Possibly, but he is SO good that an ACC caliber team uses a scholly on a transfer from UNCW?

(03-29-2017 09:43 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:40 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:20 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:09 AM)Money Wrote:  ... that assumes Devontae and CJ stay which is not the current expectation

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Pretty sure I would have heard if it were "expected" that they were leaving. Plus, it makes no sense if they had no clue who would follow Keatts. As good as they both are, they'd have to sit a year and I would assume they would leave for a "better" program, with no guarantee of playing time.

Cacock is not a 4, he's a 5. And as a 6'7" (5), there aren't many upgrades over UNCW who have a spot for very good but undersized 5. Bryce could possibly have more options, but his numbers have come in a high octane pressure defense system. Unless he's being looked at by a team with a similar style to Keatts, he may not have as many upgraded suitors as you think.

I think Bryce could play in the ACC for any team. Cacok is undersized at that level and it would be a struggle for him. Bryce is a good defender with size and scoring ability.

Possibly, but he is SO good that an ACC caliber team uses a scholly on a transfer from UNCW?

Small Sample size but he did struggle against both ACC opponents last year. He wound up with 18 Vs Clemson, but most were garbage time and he was 7-19 in that game. He really struggled vs UVA.

(03-29-2017 09:43 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:40 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:20 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:09 AM)Money Wrote:  ... that assumes Devontae and CJ stay which is not the current expectation

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Pretty sure I would have heard if it were "expected" that they were leaving. Plus, it makes no sense if they had no clue who would follow Keatts. As good as they both are, they'd have to sit a year and I would assume they would leave for a "better" program, with no guarantee of playing time. First order of business for the new coach is to get these guys on board.

Cacock is not a 4, he's a 5. And as a 6'7" (5), there aren't many upgrades over UNCW who have a spot for very good but undersized 5. Bryce could possibly have more options, but his numbers have come in a high octane pressure defense system. Unless he's being looked at by a team with a similar style to Keatts, he may not have as many upgraded suitors as you think.

I think Bryce could play in the ACC for any team. Cacok is undersized at that level and it would be a struggle for him. Bryce is a good defender with size and scoring ability.

Possibly, but he is SO good that an ACC caliber team uses a scholly on a transfer from UNCW?

There would be the middle teams that offer him-like NCSU,Clemson,VaTech and he could play big minutes for them right now. He fits into any style I think with ease. If you have size,play defense and score its an easy sale for me. He is the best player at UNCW in a long time as far as I am concerned.

(03-29-2017 09:49 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:43 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:40 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:20 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:09 AM)Money Wrote:  ... that assumes Devontae and CJ stay which is not the current expectation

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Pretty sure I would have heard if it were "expected" that they were leaving. Plus, it makes no sense if they had no clue who would follow Keatts. As good as they both are, they'd have to sit a year and I would assume they would leave for a "better" program, with no guarantee of playing time. First order of business for the new coach is to get these guys on board.

Cacock is not a 4, he's a 5. And as a 6'7" (5), there aren't many upgrades over UNCW who have a spot for very good but undersized 5. Bryce could possibly have more options, but his numbers have come in a high octane pressure defense system. Unless he's being looked at by a team with a similar style to Keatts, he may not have as many upgraded suitors as you think.

I think Bryce could play in the ACC for any team. Cacok is undersized at that level and it would be a struggle for him. Bryce is a good defender with size and scoring ability.

Possibly, but he is SO good that an ACC caliber team uses a scholly on a transfer from UNCW?

There would be the middle teams that offer him-like NCSU,Clemson,VaTech and he could play big minutes for them right now. He fits into any style I think with ease. If you have size,play defense and score its an easy sale for me. He is the best player at UNCW in a long time as far as I am concerned.

Thanks for your concern.

Sorry, perhaps I should have stated "my' instead of "the" expectation. I'm excited about the coach search too, but it just seems like we quickly abandoned any concern of defecting current players here lately. I have no inside knowledge, just thinking about the following:

Siddle stayed behind which we assumed was to give consistency and appease current players. He is now confirmed to be leaving, so either he did a great such a great job easing their concerns in 1 week that he was no longer needed, or it was deemed a futile effort and the business end took over.

We are seeing guys who never even played for Keatts pulling committments, why would "his guys" not go with him? So far, everything else that he has promised them has come to fruition.

Some are getting excited about the potential players that would follow a new hire to UNCW. So, do you really think we get to pick the top players from both schools to fill out our squad, and not expect a certain amount of defection from our own boys?

I just want to be realistic about what next year's roster will look like. I hope they all stay, just worried.

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(03-29-2017 10:11 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:49 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:43 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:40 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:20 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Pretty sure I would have heard if it were "expected" that they were leaving. Plus, it makes no sense if they had no clue who would follow Keatts. As good as they both are, they'd have to sit a year and I would assume they would leave for a "better" program, with no guarantee of playing time. First order of business for the new coach is to get these guys on board.

Cacock is not a 4, he's a 5. And as a 6'7" (5), there aren't many upgrades over UNCW who have a spot for very good but undersized 5. Bryce could possibly have more options, but his numbers have come in a high octane pressure defense system. Unless he's being looked at by a team with a similar style to Keatts, he may not have as many upgraded suitors as you think.

I think Bryce could play in the ACC for any team. Cacok is undersized at that level and it would be a struggle for him. Bryce is a good defender with size and scoring ability.

Possibly, but he is SO good that an ACC caliber team uses a scholly on a transfer from UNCW?

There would be the middle teams that offer him-like NCSU,Clemson,VaTech and he could play big minutes for them right now. He fits into any style I think with ease. If you have size,play defense and score its an easy sale for me. He is the best player at UNCW in a long time as far as I am concerned.

Thanks for your concern.

The new coach will need to sell himself to these guys ASAP-that is the real concern. Some people always have a smartass reply to everything.

(03-29-2017 11:15 AM)Money Wrote:  Sorry, perhaps I should have stated "my' instead of "the" expectation. I'm excited about the coach search too, but it just seems like we quickly abandoned any concern of defecting current players here lately. I have no inside knowledge, just thinking about the following:

Siddle stayed behind which we assumed was to give consistency and appease current players. He is now confirmed to be leaving, so either he did a great such a great job easing their concerns in 1 week that he was no longer needed, or it was deemed a futile effort and the business end took over.

I don't follow this logic. Isn't a more likely scenario that Siddle stayed behind Keatts with his own interest in mind? Once he realized he wasn't going to be the next head coach, he accepted a standing offer from Keatts. Siddle leaving doesn't signal anything to me other than the fact he was informed formally, or read the writing on the wall, that he wasn't going to get the gig.

(03-29-2017 11:15 AM)Money Wrote:  We are seeing guys who never even played for Keatts pulling committments, why would "his guys" not go with him? So far, everything else that he has promised them has come to fruition.

Why would "guys who never even played for Keatts" have insight into the decisions of current UNCW players? Again, I'm not following.

(03-29-2017 11:15 AM)Money Wrote:  Some are getting excited about the potential players that would follow a new hire to UNCW. So, do you really think we get to pick the top players from both schools to fill out our squad, and not expect a certain amount of defection from our own boys?

The only name that I've seen mentioned regarding Dooley's potential hire was Brian Thomas. Thomas is a recruit, not a current FGCU player. We've already seen two UNCW recruits re-open their recruitment, and State's only commit also asked for his release. That seems fairly standard when there are coaching changes.

I have no insight to the situation. No connections! I don't expect, but it is certainly a possibility.

(03-29-2017 11:15 AM)Money Wrote:  I just want to be realistic about what next year's roster will look like. I hope they all stay, just worried.

I appreciate the clarification, and I think we're all anxious.

(03-29-2017 11:15 AM)Money Wrote:  Sorry, perhaps I should have stated "my' instead of "the" expectation. I'm excited about the coach search too, but it just seems like we quickly abandoned any concern of defecting current players here lately. I have no inside knowledge, just thinking about the following:

Siddle stayed behind which we assumed was to give consistency and appease current players. He is now confirmed to be leaving, so either he did a great such a great job easing their concerns in 1 week that he was no longer needed, or it was deemed a futile effort and the business end took over.

We are seeing guys who never even played for Keatts pulling committments, why would "his guys" not go with him? So far, everything else that he has promised them has come to fruition.

Some are getting excited about the potential players that would follow a new hire to UNCW. So, do you really think we get to pick the top players from both schools to fill out our squad, and not expect a certain amount of defection from our own boys?

I just want to be realistic about what next year's roster will look like. I hope they all stay, just worried.

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Coaching hires have to be made with the future taking precedence over the present. You can't hire a candidate purely because of a fear you'll lose current players/recruits if you don't hire him. Those players will be gone a few years down the road anyways. The new coach could be here for a lot longer, and even if he isn't, the coaching hire will most certainly impact the program for at least the next 5-10 years.

Siddle wasn't our # 1 choice. That much is clear. If he was, he would have stuck around to interview for the job. He left because he wasn't a finalist and/or candidate for the job AND because he got a significant pay raise at NC State (From about 90K to about 300K).

Can't fault either Siddle, Bass or the administration for any of that. Siddle did what was best for him, and Bass did what he felt was best for the future of UNCW hoops.

Any coaching change comes with the chance for transfers and de-commits. As much as we love Keatts as he followed a failing coach, HE couldn't keep an NCSU recruit on board. I certainly do not expect or even believe Cacock or Bryce will transfer. We have some pretty impressive potential coaches filing in to coach at UNCW. That has to send a message to the parents and players. As an 18-22 year old basketball player, you've got to like your chances at a place you've committed to rather than an unknown change. Not to mention, UNCW is a pretty nice campus in a great location. The families and players have visited, and the current players may actually like being here.

Don't forget folks, THIS IS UNCW!

(03-29-2017 11:19 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 10:11 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:49 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:43 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 09:40 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I think Bryce could play in the ACC for any team. Cacok is undersized at that level and it would be a struggle for him. Bryce is a good defender with size and scoring ability.

Possibly, but he is SO good that an ACC caliber team uses a scholly on a transfer from UNCW?

There would be the middle teams that offer him-like NCSU,Clemson,VaTech and he could play big minutes for them right now. He fits into any style I think with ease. If you have size,play defense and score its an easy sale for me. He is the best player at UNCW in a long time as far as I am concerned.

Thanks for your concern.

The new coach will need to sell himself to these guys ASAP-that is the real concern. Some people always have a smartass reply to everything.

I do agree about the need for the next coach to quickly move to keep our talent here. However, losing recruits who haven't even donned a UNCW practice jersey is to be expected.

(03-29-2017 01:04 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Any coaching change comes with the chance for transfers and de-commits. As much as we love Keatts as he followed a failing coach, HE couldn't keep an NCSU recruit on board. I certainly do not expect or even believe Cacock or Bryce will transfer. We have some pretty impressive potential coaches filing in to coach at UNCW. That has to send a message to the parents and players. As an 18-22 year old basketball player, you've got to like your chances at a place you've committed to rather than an unknown change. Not to mention, UNCW is a pretty nice campus in a great location. The families and players have visited, and the current players may actually like being here.

Don't forget folks, THIS IS UNCW!

If I recall correctly, when Keatts took over here at least one of Buzz's recruits decided to go elsewhere. I agree, the coming and goings of recruits is ops normal.

(03-29-2017 02:25 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  If I recall correctly, when Keatts took over here at least one of Buzz's recruits decided to go elsewhere. I agree, the coming and goings of recruits is ops normal.

Malik Pugh, a Buzz recruit, walked away after a year with Keatts. Was he the only one, or was there another?

Pugh is now with UT Martin, by the way. He played 7.5 minutes per game over 28 contests this season, averaging 2.7 ppg and 1.0 apg off the bench for the Skyhawks.

Am I the only one who is not crazy about any of these coaches??? I know Florida Gulf had a great run in 2013, but that was pre-Dooley. The A-Sun is not the same conference as it was back then. Look at the teams in the A-Sun right now. Its a joke.

Kevin Keatts was like 41 when he came on board. Dooley is 51. Maybe I will be proven wrong, but Coach Keatts was very special and these guys do not measure up in my opinion.

(03-29-2017 03:22 PM)Fletch 8 Wrote:  Am I the only one who is not crazy about any of these coaches??? I know Florida Gulf had a great run in 2013, but that was pre-Dooley. The A-Sun is not the same conference as it was back then. Look at the teams in the A-Sun right now. Its a joke.

Kevin Keatts was like 41 when he came on board. Dooley is 51. Maybe I will be proven wrong, but Coach Keatts was very special and these guys do not measure up in my opinion.

You have to measure it up to what Keatts was when he got here. Dooley took over a team with good success and kept it going. 41 vs 51, that doesn't bother me a bit, because a successful coach isn't going to be here more than 5 years.

(03-29-2017 03:22 PM)Fletch 8 Wrote:  Am I the only one who is not crazy about any of these coaches??? I know Florida Gulf had a great run in 2013, but that was pre-Dooley. The A-Sun is not the same conference as it was back then. Look at the teams in the A-Sun right now. Its a joke.

Kevin Keatts was like 41 when he came on board. Dooley is 51. Maybe I will be proven wrong, but Coach Keatts was very special and these guys do not measure up in my opinion.

I understand your concern here. At first, I felt the same way. However, after 9 long years of mostly awful basketball we caught lightning in a bottle with the Keatts hire. He may be one of the best coaches in UNCW history, but don't forget coaches like the great Jerry Wainwright. He's still the only coach at UNCW to win an NCAA tournament game. He was no spring chicken.

All that to say, the likelihood that we would hire another highly successful, young coach budding to be the next coaching superstar is unlikely. Possible sure, but less probable. That's not saying we can't succeed going forward, but we can't just think of "young and exciting" as our base metric for a coach. I think any of those coaches could come in and be successful but they have their work cut out for them following Keatts. That won't be easy. That's for sure.