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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St

CUSA East
Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, Ga St, UAB

CUSA West takes NMSU, Texas St, Ark St. ULL

CUSA West
NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, N Texas, La Tech, Ark St., ULL, USM

Sunbelt could cobble up the rest and have to find upgrades/independents
ULM, Troy, USA, Coastal, App, Ga Southern
(Liberty, EKU, Lamar, JMU, etc)

I just have to laugh when reading how CUSA will split into 2 different conferences and by doing so be able to pick off SunBelt members in the process. Even if the 2 new conference wave the joining fees to the present SunBelt members that join then they will each still own the Sun Belt 2 million in exit fees. The Sun Belt would still be left with 8 full members. Also which of the 2 new conferences will not be included in the present G5 access bowl agreement and therefore not receive the 10 plus million dollars they receive now.

Not going to happen.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-20-2017 10:47 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 08:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 04:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 04:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Arguably? The SBC has been better than C-USA, in football at least. C-USA overexpanded. I get the rationale but they still overexpanded.

The rationale that start up programs in big markets would lead to bigger media $? I think a lot of us were saying WTF? as CUSA was adding FIU, FAU, ODU, Charlotte, MTSU, WKU, UTSA, UNT. They added brand new city programs with North, South, East, West, Middle, oceans and internationals in their names. It was like watching a train wreck that wouldn't stop. Or maybe a city bus with no breaks, and seeing it take a guys head off and Sandra Bullock saying, "he's ok, right?" No, he isn't ok. He died.
Cheers!

You seem to be an EAST Carolina fan. Since you are a fan of a directional school, I don't really understand your problem with the directional titles.

Overall, North Texas has been a good football addition. The Mean Green have been to 2 bowls in 4 seasons. Of the hold over C-USA programs, only Marshall has been to more. Like North Texas, Rice and USM have also been to 2 bowls in the past 4 seasons. But, WKU (3 bowls), LA Tech (3 bowls), Middle Tennessee (3 bowls), and North Texas (2 bowls), have been to almost 48% of all of C-USA's bowl games over the past four seasons. The hold over teams, Marshall (3 bowls), Southern Miss (2 bowls), Rice (2 bowls), and UTEP (1 bowl), have only been to 38% of C-USA's bowls over the past 4 seasons. In 2016, 6 of C-USA's 7 bowl games were filled by teams added to the conference since 2013. Southern Miss was the only team from the old guard to make a bowl this past season.

Yes, C-USA football has been down recently, but lets not be so quick to place all of the blame on the new programs.

The same North Texas team that was routed by 59 by Portland State at home in that time span? Going to a bowl means little now days, especially when you aren't even over .500 in a bad conference like this past year for UNT.

Yes. Every program has down seasons. The 2015 season was our worst campaign in the 103 year history of playing football.... But we bounced back.

Just 4 years ago, Houston got drilled by a transitioning Texas State team. I believe Houston finished with a losing record back in 2012.

Sure going to a bowl doesn't mean as much as it used to. But, missing out on bowl speaks volumes about where a program is. In our time with C-USA, we have not missed out on the bowl season half of the time, and that is better them many of the teams in C-USA.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
Difference being that if I were trying to tout Houston and what it's done over the last 4 years, I'd have ground to stand on. UNT has been to 2 bowls but that's not exactly a major accomplishment given that way more than half of FBS plays in a bowl. UNT wasn't even bowl eligible last year when they went.

I wish you all the best though.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-21-2017 02:07 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St

CUSA East
Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, Ga St, UAB

CUSA West takes NMSU, Texas St, Ark St. ULL

CUSA West
NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, N Texas, La Tech, Ark St., ULL, USM

Sunbelt could cobble up the rest and have to find upgrades/independents
ULM, Troy, USA, Coastal, App, Ga Southern
(Liberty, EKU, Lamar, JMU, etc)

I just have to laugh when reading how CUSA will split into 2 different conferences and by doing so be able to pick off SunBelt members in the process.
And there's no particular reason for either UAB or for ULL or Arkansas State to want to move from the SBC for "their" half of CUSA. A conference can't "take" a school, it has to invite it, and the school has to want to accept the invitation.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-21-2017 07:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Difference being that if I were trying to tout Houston and what it's done over the last 4 years, I'd have ground to stand on. UNT has been to 2 bowls but that's not exactly a major accomplishment given that way more than half of FBS plays in a bowl. UNT wasn't even bowl eligible last year when they went.

I wish you all the best though.

The point is that Houston also has a recent embarrassing loss. And 2 bowls in four years equals a descent overall track record. Since the 2013 realignment 4 seasons ago, this is a list of C-USA bowl teams, and how many bowls each has played.

WKU (3)
Marshall (3)
LA Tech (3)
MTSU (3)

North Texas (2)
Rice(2)
Southern Miss (2)

UTEP (1)
UTSA (1)
ODU (1)

FAU (0)
FIU (0)
Charlotte (0) *But they just moved up
UAB (0) *But they have been out of business for a few seasons

If you don't view going to 2 bowls in the last 4 seasons as an accomplishment, then you need to at least acknowledge the many other programs that have only made 50% of the bowls or fewer, including 6 from the AAC...

Tulsa (2)
S. Florida (2)
ECU (2)
U Con (1)
Tulane (1)
SMU (0)

Just sayin....
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-21-2017 07:43 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 02:07 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St

CUSA East
Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, Ga St, UAB

CUSA West takes NMSU, Texas St, Ark St. ULL

CUSA West
NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, N Texas, La Tech, Ark St., ULL, USM

Sunbelt could cobble up the rest and have to find upgrades/independents
ULM, Troy, USA, Coastal, App, Ga Southern
(Liberty, EKU, Lamar, JMU, etc)

I just have to laugh when reading how CUSA will split into 2 different conferences and by doing so be able to pick off SunBelt members in the process.
And there's no particular reason for either UAB or for ULL or Arkansas State to want to move from the SBC for "their" half of CUSA. A conference can't "take" a school, it has to invite it, and the school has to want to accept the invitation.

FWIW, UAB is a CUSA school already.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(Yesterday 07:32 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 07:43 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 02:07 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St

CUSA East
Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, Ga St, UAB

CUSA West takes NMSU, Texas St, Ark St. ULL

CUSA West
NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, N Texas, La Tech, Ark St., ULL, USM

Sunbelt could cobble up the rest and have to find upgrades/independents
ULM, Troy, USA, Coastal, App, Ga Southern
(Liberty, EKU, Lamar, JMU, etc)

I just have to laugh when reading how CUSA will split into 2 different conferences and by doing so be able to pick off SunBelt members in the process.
And there's no particular reason for either UAB or for ULL or Arkansas State to want to move from the SBC for "their" half of CUSA. A conference can't "take" a school, it has to invite it, and the school has to want to accept the invitation.

FWIW, UAB is a CUSA school already.

Until they pull the plug again. CUSA should have dumped UAB when they dropped football the first time. Only a matter of time until they drop football again.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(Yesterday 07:32 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St
FWIW, UAB is a CUSA school already.
Yes, of course it is. I guess when solohawks said "take", he must have meant CUSA East takes UAB from CUSA West and Georgia State from the Sunbelt.

Not sure that that is an upgrade for Georgia State, who must surely have been fans of adding Georgia Southern and App State to the Sunbelt. Though just shifting UAB to the CUSA East to West would make the minimum eight for an FBS conference.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(Yesterday 09:16 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(Yesterday 07:32 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St
FWIW, UAB is a CUSA school already.
Yes, of course it is. I guess when solohawks said "take", he must have meant CUSA East takes UAB from CUSA West and Georgia State from the Sunbelt.

Not sure that that is an upgrade for Georgia State, who must surely have been fans of adding Georgia Southern and App State to the Sunbelt. Though just shifting UAB to the CUSA East to West would make the minimum eight for an FBS conference.

I agree but I wasn't responding to solo. I was talking to you when you said "And there's no particular reason for either UAB or for ULL or Arkansas State to want to move from the SBC".
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(Yesterday 09:23 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I agree but I wasn't responding to solo.
I wasn't saying you were ... what happened was that since the whole notion is so silly, I didn't invest sufficient care in the details. I had written a reply about why the SBC schools wouldn't have a compelling reason to move to the former CUSA divisions, and I'd read "take" the four schools as take all of them from a different conference. I should have written ULL, Arkansas State and Georgia State, not ULL, Arkansas State & UAB.

Although I can't see UAB voting in favor of such a cockamamie plan, if a supermajority of CUSA members voted for dividing the conference and they were forced to decide, I could see them going East rather than West.
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