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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St

CUSA East
Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, Ga St, UAB

CUSA West takes NMSU, Texas St, Ark St. ULL

CUSA West
NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, N Texas, La Tech, Ark St., ULL, USM

Sunbelt could cobble up the rest and have to find upgrades/independents
ULM, Troy, USA, Coastal, App, Ga Southern
(Liberty, EKU, Lamar, JMU, etc)

I just have to laugh when reading how CUSA will split into 2 different conferences and by doing so be able to pick off SunBelt members in the process. Even if the 2 new conference wave the joining fees to the present SunBelt members that join then they will each still own the Sun Belt 2 million in exit fees. The Sun Belt would still be left with 8 full members. Also which of the 2 new conferences will not be included in the present G5 access bowl agreement and therefore not receive the 10 plus million dollars they receive now.

Not going to happen.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-20-2017 10:47 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 08:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 04:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 04:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Arguably? The SBC has been better than C-USA, in football at least. C-USA overexpanded. I get the rationale but they still overexpanded.

The rationale that start up programs in big markets would lead to bigger media $? I think a lot of us were saying WTF? as CUSA was adding FIU, FAU, ODU, Charlotte, MTSU, WKU, UTSA, UNT. They added brand new city programs with North, South, East, West, Middle, oceans and internationals in their names. It was like watching a train wreck that wouldn't stop. Or maybe a city bus with no breaks, and seeing it take a guys head off and Sandra Bullock saying, "he's ok, right?" No, he isn't ok. He died.
Cheers!

You seem to be an EAST Carolina fan. Since you are a fan of a directional school, I don't really understand your problem with the directional titles.

Overall, North Texas has been a good football addition. The Mean Green have been to 2 bowls in 4 seasons. Of the hold over C-USA programs, only Marshall has been to more. Like North Texas, Rice and USM have also been to 2 bowls in the past 4 seasons. But, WKU (3 bowls), LA Tech (3 bowls), Middle Tennessee (3 bowls), and North Texas (2 bowls), have been to almost 48% of all of C-USA's bowl games over the past four seasons. The hold over teams, Marshall (3 bowls), Southern Miss (2 bowls), Rice (2 bowls), and UTEP (1 bowl), have only been to 38% of C-USA's bowls over the past 4 seasons. In 2016, 6 of C-USA's 7 bowl games were filled by teams added to the conference since 2013. Southern Miss was the only team from the old guard to make a bowl this past season.

Yes, C-USA football has been down recently, but lets not be so quick to place all of the blame on the new programs.

The same North Texas team that was routed by 59 by Portland State at home in that time span? Going to a bowl means little now days, especially when you aren't even over .500 in a bad conference like this past year for UNT.

Yes. Every program has down seasons. The 2015 season was our worst campaign in the 103 year history of playing football.... But we bounced back.

Just 4 years ago, Houston got drilled by a transitioning Texas State team. I believe Houston finished with a losing record back in 2012.

Sure going to a bowl doesn't mean as much as it used to. But, missing out on bowl speaks volumes about where a program is. In our time with C-USA, we have not missed out on the bowl season half of the time, and that is better them many of the teams in C-USA.
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Difference being that if I were trying to tout Houston and what it's done over the last 4 years, I'd have ground to stand on. UNT has been to 2 bowls but that's not exactly a major accomplishment given that way more than half of FBS plays in a bowl. UNT wasn't even bowl eligible last year when they went.

I wish you all the best though.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-21-2017 02:07 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St

CUSA East
Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, Ga St, UAB

CUSA West takes NMSU, Texas St, Ark St. ULL

CUSA West
NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, N Texas, La Tech, Ark St., ULL, USM

Sunbelt could cobble up the rest and have to find upgrades/independents
ULM, Troy, USA, Coastal, App, Ga Southern
(Liberty, EKU, Lamar, JMU, etc)

I just have to laugh when reading how CUSA will split into 2 different conferences and by doing so be able to pick off SunBelt members in the process.
And there's no particular reason for either UAB or for ULL or Arkansas State to want to move from the SBC for "their" half of CUSA. A conference can't "take" a school, it has to invite it, and the school has to want to accept the invitation.
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(03-21-2017 07:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Difference being that if I were trying to tout Houston and what it's done over the last 4 years, I'd have ground to stand on. UNT has been to 2 bowls but that's not exactly a major accomplishment given that way more than half of FBS plays in a bowl. UNT wasn't even bowl eligible last year when they went.

I wish you all the best though.

The point is that Houston also has a recent embarrassing loss. And 2 bowls in four years equals a descent overall track record. Since the 2013 realignment 4 seasons ago, this is a list of C-USA bowl teams, and how many bowls each has played.

WKU (3)
Marshall (3)
LA Tech (3)
MTSU (3)

North Texas (2)
Rice(2)
Southern Miss (2)

UTEP (1)
UTSA (1)
ODU (1)

FAU (0)
FIU (0)
Charlotte (0) *But they just moved up
UAB (0) *But they have been out of business for a few seasons

If you don't view going to 2 bowls in the last 4 seasons as an accomplishment, then you need to at least acknowledge the many other programs that have only made 50% of the bowls or fewer, including 6 from the AAC...

Tulsa (2)
S. Florida (2)
ECU (2)
U Con (1)
Tulane (1)
SMU (0)

Just sayin....
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-21-2017 07:43 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 02:07 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St

CUSA East
Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, Ga St, UAB

CUSA West takes NMSU, Texas St, Ark St. ULL

CUSA West
NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, N Texas, La Tech, Ark St., ULL, USM

Sunbelt could cobble up the rest and have to find upgrades/independents
ULM, Troy, USA, Coastal, App, Ga Southern
(Liberty, EKU, Lamar, JMU, etc)

I just have to laugh when reading how CUSA will split into 2 different conferences and by doing so be able to pick off SunBelt members in the process.
And there's no particular reason for either UAB or for ULL or Arkansas State to want to move from the SBC for "their" half of CUSA. A conference can't "take" a school, it has to invite it, and the school has to want to accept the invitation.

FWIW, UAB is a CUSA school already.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-22-2017 07:32 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 07:43 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 02:07 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St

CUSA East
Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, Ga St, UAB

CUSA West takes NMSU, Texas St, Ark St. ULL

CUSA West
NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, N Texas, La Tech, Ark St., ULL, USM

Sunbelt could cobble up the rest and have to find upgrades/independents
ULM, Troy, USA, Coastal, App, Ga Southern
(Liberty, EKU, Lamar, JMU, etc)

I just have to laugh when reading how CUSA will split into 2 different conferences and by doing so be able to pick off SunBelt members in the process.
And there's no particular reason for either UAB or for ULL or Arkansas State to want to move from the SBC for "their" half of CUSA. A conference can't "take" a school, it has to invite it, and the school has to want to accept the invitation.

FWIW, UAB is a CUSA school already.

Until they pull the plug again. CUSA should have dumped UAB when they dropped football the first time. Only a matter of time until they drop football again.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-22-2017 07:32 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St
FWIW, UAB is a CUSA school already.
Yes, of course it is. I guess when solohawks said "take", he must have meant CUSA East takes UAB from CUSA West and Georgia State from the Sunbelt.

Not sure that that is an upgrade for Georgia State, who must surely have been fans of adding Georgia Southern and App State to the Sunbelt. Though just shifting UAB to the CUSA East to West would make the minimum eight for an FBS conference.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-22-2017 09:16 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 07:32 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they could both end up with auto bids than absolutely.

CUSA East splits and takes UAB and Ga St
FWIW, UAB is a CUSA school already.
Yes, of course it is. I guess when solohawks said "take", he must have meant CUSA East takes UAB from CUSA West and Georgia State from the Sunbelt.

Not sure that that is an upgrade for Georgia State, who must surely have been fans of adding Georgia Southern and App State to the Sunbelt. Though just shifting UAB to the CUSA East to West would make the minimum eight for an FBS conference.

I agree but I wasn't responding to solo. I was talking to you when you said "And there's no particular reason for either UAB or for ULL or Arkansas State to want to move from the SBC".
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(03-22-2017 09:23 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I agree but I wasn't responding to solo.
I wasn't saying you were ... what happened was that since the whole notion is so silly, I didn't invest sufficient care in the details. I had written a reply about why the SBC schools wouldn't have a compelling reason to move to the former CUSA divisions, and I'd read "take" the four schools as take all of them from a different conference. I should have written ULL, Arkansas State and Georgia State, not ULL, Arkansas State & UAB.

Although I can't see UAB voting in favor of such a cockamamie plan, if a supermajority of CUSA members voted for dividing the conference and they were forced to decide, I could see them going East rather than West.
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THis is a pure hypothetical thread is it not? In a logical world splitting would make since. There are many ways to do a CUSA split that makes more sense for all parties involved than what we have now. I understand there are practical reasons for not splitting, which i addressed in my opening post, but in a perfect world, Rice would not be in a conference with Marshal
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I agree, a split makes sense but logistically may not be possible or at least probable right now. Things can change quickly in college athletics. If a divide were to take place there would be Sun Belt members interested in joining either side.
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(03-23-2017 12:50 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I agree, a split makes sense but logistically may not be possible or at least probable right now. Things can change quickly in college athletics. If a divide were to take place there would be Sun Belt members interested in joining either side.

Broken record, but.......there are three really nice conferences to be made that basically encompass Texas and surrounding states, the deep south, and the Carolinas north if you lump together CUSA, the SBC, and some existing Indys. Also allows for realistic jumps up from FCS if someone was interested.
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(03-23-2017 12:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  THis is a pure hypothetical thread is it not? In a logical world splitting would make since. There are many ways to do a CUSA split that makes more sense for all parties involved than what we have now. I understand there are practical reasons for not splitting, which i addressed in my opening post, but in a perfect world, Rice would not be in a conference with Marshal
Why not? The Western Division is a fine collection of schools for Rice, the Eastern Division is a fine collection of schools for Marshall ... including the annual trip to south Florida ... and for most CUSA schools, the schools they could replace the cross-division games with on a home and away contract basis would be similar level schools at similar or greater distances away.

Someone could argue that if seven was the number to be an FBS conference, and the CUSA East and CUSA West each existed as conferences, playing six game round robin schedules in conference, that a merger of those two under-sized conferences would make sense.

Indeed, the whole "fission" proposal rests on the idea that each division more or less makes sense. It then adds the following premise:
Quote: This 14 member behemoth just seems to be too big and unwieldily and sent delivering the kind of tv contract the old line up did.
But that premise is awfully shaky. The fundamental problem that the new CUSA faced was not that it was 14 instead of 12, it was that some of it's highest market value schools were snatched up by the AAC.
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(03-24-2017 03:45 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 12:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  THis is a pure hypothetical thread is it not? In a logical world splitting would make since. There are many ways to do a CUSA split that makes more sense for all parties involved than what we have now. I understand there are practical reasons for not splitting, which i addressed in my opening post, but in a perfect world, Rice would not be in a conference with Marshal
Why not? The Western Division is a fine collection of schools for Rice, the Eastern Division is a fine collection of schools for Marshall ... including the annual trip to south Florida ... and for most CUSA schools, the schools they could replace the cross-division games with on a home and away contract basis would be similar level schools at similar or greater distances away.

Someone could argue that if seven was the number to be an FBS conference, and the CUSA East and CUSA West each existed as conferences, playing six game round robin schedules in conference, that a merger of those two under-sized conferences would make sense.

Indeed, the whole "fission" proposal rests on the idea that each division more or less makes sense. It then adds the following premise:
Quote: This 14 member behemoth just seems to be too big and unwieldily and sent delivering the kind of tv contract the old line up did.
But that premise is awfully shaky. The fundamental problem that the new CUSA faced was not that it was 14 instead of 12, it was that some of it's highest market value schools were snatched up by the AAC.

For that to be true I think we'd need to go all in to at least 16. At 14 we're big enough to be cumbersome but not big enough to function as two entities. Going to 16 or bigger though would just make the finances and earning championships harder for each school though. I don't think that's the solution.

I think if enough schools are discontent and start putting together a plan to reorganize it could happen when CFP contract is renegotiated. I don't think the rest of the NCAA will put up too much of a fight even if it means another conference is formed with another autobid. I know our AD has talked about regionalization, as has App State's. There's a desire there it's just a matter of logistics.
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(03-24-2017 07:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 03:45 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 12:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  THis is a pure hypothetical thread is it not? In a logical world splitting would make since. There are many ways to do a CUSA split that makes more sense for all parties involved than what we have now. I understand there are practical reasons for not splitting, which i addressed in my opening post, but in a perfect world, Rice would not be in a conference with Marshal
Why not? The Western Division is a fine collection of schools for Rice, the Eastern Division is a fine collection of schools for Marshall ... including the annual trip to south Florida ... and for most CUSA schools, the schools they could replace the cross-division games with on a home and away contract basis would be similar level schools at similar or greater distances away.

Someone could argue that if seven was the number to be an FBS conference, and the CUSA East and CUSA West each existed as conferences, playing six game round robin schedules in conference, that a merger of those two under-sized conferences would make sense.

Indeed, the whole "fission" proposal rests on the idea that each division more or less makes sense. It then adds the following premise:
Quote: This 14 member behemoth just seems to be too big and unwieldily and sent delivering the kind of tv contract the old line up did.
But that premise is awfully shaky. The fundamental problem that the new CUSA faced was not that it was 14 instead of 12, it was that some of it's highest market value schools were snatched up by the AAC.

For that to be true I think we'd need to go all in to at least 16. At 14 we're big enough to be cumbersome but not big enough to function as two entities. Going to 16 or bigger though would just make the finances and earning championships harder for each school though. I don't think that's the solution.

I think if enough schools are discontent and start putting together a plan to reorganize it could happen when CFP contract is renegotiated. I don't think the rest of the NCAA will put up too much of a fight even if it means another conference is formed with another autobid. I know our AD has talked about regionalization, as has App State's. There's a desire there it's just a matter of logistics.

Getting too regional could be a problem as well. Any conference you look at, other than the MAC, is spread out to some degree. If one wants a bus league, then that's going to be a real difficult thing to create. For one thing there would be a lack of interest beyond the foot print and there would likely be overlapping media coverage that adds little to the conference. The divisions in C-USA address most of the regional issues. Dumping outliers is a possibility to shrink the foot print to a bit more reasonable size. And yes, I realize that would include my favorite school. It may also be a "regional" perception since UTEP and most western fans don't think sending a team 700 miles is unreasonable. Fans of ODU and Charlotte may have a different view.
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(03-23-2017 09:17 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Broken record, but.......there are three really nice conferences to be made that basically encompass Texas and surrounding states, the deep south, and the Carolinas north if you lump together CUSA, the SBC, and some existing Indys.

And the broken record response, is that's impossible, because it would require things like: LA Tech joining up with Ark St, UL-Monroe, UAB and USM joining up with Troy and USA, Marshall and Charlotte joining up with App St and ODU, UTEP and Rice joining up with Texas St and N Texas, etc.

Those CUSA teams see themselves as being "above" the Sun Belt teams.
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I still think the best short term fix for CUSA is to add enough teams to make each division a virtually self sufficient conference. Cross divisional play would be limited to championship games. That keeps all the auto-bids in place and it keeps all the bowl deals in place. It saves money through dramatically cutting travel budgets. In effect---the two divisions behave as separate conferences except that they play a championship against one another.
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(03-24-2017 10:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 07:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 03:45 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 12:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  THis is a pure hypothetical thread is it not? In a logical world splitting would make since. There are many ways to do a CUSA split that makes more sense for all parties involved than what we have now. I understand there are practical reasons for not splitting, which i addressed in my opening post, but in a perfect world, Rice would not be in a conference with Marshal
Why not? The Western Division is a fine collection of schools for Rice, the Eastern Division is a fine collection of schools for Marshall ... including the annual trip to south Florida ... and for most CUSA schools, the schools they could replace the cross-division games with on a home and away contract basis would be similar level schools at similar or greater distances away.

Someone could argue that if seven was the number to be an FBS conference, and the CUSA East and CUSA West each existed as conferences, playing six game round robin schedules in conference, that a merger of those two under-sized conferences would make sense.

Indeed, the whole "fission" proposal rests on the idea that each division more or less makes sense. It then adds the following premise:
Quote: This 14 member behemoth just seems to be too big and unwieldily and sent delivering the kind of tv contract the old line up did.
But that premise is awfully shaky. The fundamental problem that the new CUSA faced was not that it was 14 instead of 12, it was that some of it's highest market value schools were snatched up by the AAC.

For that to be true I think we'd need to go all in to at least 16. At 14 we're big enough to be cumbersome but not big enough to function as two entities. Going to 16 or bigger though would just make the finances and earning championships harder for each school though. I don't think that's the solution.

I think if enough schools are discontent and start putting together a plan to reorganize it could happen when CFP contract is renegotiated. I don't think the rest of the NCAA will put up too much of a fight even if it means another conference is formed with another autobid. I know our AD has talked about regionalization, as has App State's. There's a desire there it's just a matter of logistics.

Getting too regional could be a problem as well. Any conference you look at, other than the MAC, is spread out to some degree. If one wants a bus league, then that's going to be a real difficult thing to create. For one thing there would be a lack of interest beyond the foot print and there would likely be overlapping media coverage that adds little to the conference. The divisions in C-USA address most of the regional issues. Dumping outliers is a possibility to shrink the foot print to a bit more reasonable size. And yes, I realize that would include my favorite school. It may also be a "regional" perception since UTEP and most western fans don't think sending a team 700 miles is unreasonable. Fans of ODU and Charlotte may have a different view.


With FCOAs and all the expense, plus the P5 getting greedy with taken all the tv money that gives the smaller conferences with hardly nothing. A regional league might be the best answer. someone mentioned FCS schools involved. I could say some D2 schools with the stadiums that are FBS types could also helped out like West Texas A&M. Several D2 schools are not that far off from expanding their stadiums to reach 15,000 like North Alabama, Central Oklahoma and Azusa Pacific are a few examples.
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(03-24-2017 10:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 07:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 03:45 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 12:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  THis is a pure hypothetical thread is it not? In a logical world splitting would make since. There are many ways to do a CUSA split that makes more sense for all parties involved than what we have now. I understand there are practical reasons for not splitting, which i addressed in my opening post, but in a perfect world, Rice would not be in a conference with Marshal
Why not? The Western Division is a fine collection of schools for Rice, the Eastern Division is a fine collection of schools for Marshall ... including the annual trip to south Florida ... and for most CUSA schools, the schools they could replace the cross-division games with on a home and away contract basis would be similar level schools at similar or greater distances away.

Someone could argue that if seven was the number to be an FBS conference, and the CUSA East and CUSA West each existed as conferences, playing six game round robin schedules in conference, that a merger of those two under-sized conferences would make sense.

Indeed, the whole "fission" proposal rests on the idea that each division more or less makes sense. It then adds the following premise:
Quote: This 14 member behemoth just seems to be too big and unwieldily and sent delivering the kind of tv contract the old line up did.
But that premise is awfully shaky. The fundamental problem that the new CUSA faced was not that it was 14 instead of 12, it was that some of it's highest market value schools were snatched up by the AAC.

For that to be true I think we'd need to go all in to at least 16. At 14 we're big enough to be cumbersome but not big enough to function as two entities. Going to 16 or bigger though would just make the finances and earning championships harder for each school though. I don't think that's the solution.

I think if enough schools are discontent and start putting together a plan to reorganize it could happen when CFP contract is renegotiated. I don't think the rest of the NCAA will put up too much of a fight even if it means another conference is formed with another autobid. I know our AD has talked about regionalization, as has App State's. There's a desire there it's just a matter of logistics.

Getting too regional could be a problem as well. Any conference you look at, other than the MAC, is spread out to some degree. If one wants a bus league, then that's going to be a real difficult thing to create. For one thing there would be a lack of interest beyond the foot print and there would likely be overlapping media coverage that adds little to the conference. The divisions in C-USA address most of the regional issues. Dumping outliers is a possibility to shrink the foot print to a bit more reasonable size. And yes, I realize that would include my favorite school. It may also be a "regional" perception since UTEP and most western fans don't think sending a team 700 miles is unreasonable. Fans of ODU and Charlotte may have a different view.

I don't think a mid-atlantic to FLA conference covering WV, TN, KY, VA, NC, GA, FL, AL would have the problem of being too regional. We would no doubt lose the interest of everybody in TX but doubling down on regional interest might be a smart move considering none of us are the top, second or in some cases even the third dog in our state. Different schools will have a different outlook on being in the same conference as their in-state "peers". I know for a fact that ODU's admin would love to have another VA school. We get pretty good coverage from Richmond eastward but are lacking in the western part of the state. If you asked our leaders if they'd rather increase awareness of Old Dominion in western VA and NC or TX and LA it's a no brainer. I don't think applications are increasing because we're playing UTSA.

No offense to my western conference mates. I've enjoyed learning about those schools and competing against them but if something like this were to happen I'd welcome it.

The real question would be what happens to those Gulf state schools in the middle. From what I gather from fans, UAB and USM lean to the east and La Tech likes the Texas presence.
03-24-2017 12:03 PM
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