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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-20-2017 04:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Arguably? The SBC has been better than C-USA, in football at least. C-USA overexpanded. I get the rationale but they still overexpanded.

The rationale that start up programs in big markets would lead to bigger media $? I think a lot of us were saying WTF? as CUSA was adding FIU, FAU, ODU, Charlotte, MTSU, WKU, UTSA, UNT. They added brand new city programs with North, South, East, West, Middle, oceans and internationals in their names. It was like watching a train wreck that wouldn't stop. Or maybe a city bus with no breaks, and seeing it take a guys head off and Sandra Bullock saying, "he's ok, right?" No, he isn't ok. He died.
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(03-18-2017 08:48 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  This 14 member behemoth just seems to be too big and unwieldily and sent delivering the kind of tv contract the old line up did. I think it's time to consider splitting the east and west apart and having each side pick up 3 additional members to create two 10 member leagues.

Possible additions
WEST: UL Lafayette, Arkansas St, Texas St (others include NMSU and S Alabama)
EAST: James Madison, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, App St, S Alabama

i don't think the current continuity rules would prohibit both sides from autobids.

Yes...
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-20-2017 04:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 04:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Arguably? The SBC has been better than C-USA, in football at least. C-USA overexpanded. I get the rationale but they still overexpanded.

The rationale that start up programs in big markets would lead to bigger media $? I think a lot of us were saying WTF? as CUSA was adding FIU, FAU, ODU, Charlotte, MTSU, WKU, UTSA, UNT. They added brand new city programs with North, South, East, West, Middle, oceans and internationals in their names. It was like watching a train wreck that wouldn't stop. Or maybe a city bus with no breaks, and seeing it take a guys head off and Sandra Bullock saying, "he's ok, right?" No, he isn't ok. He died.
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The rationale is that you gut the conference below you so that you appear superior if you get gutted and have leverage over the conference below you. The problem is that they added a lot of fat and little muscle. The Sun Belt lacks an academic power and big markets but makes up for it by having solid programs with heart like Troy and Appalachian State. Western Kentucky is C-USA's flag bearer but they have little relative academic prowess and a minimal market. Plus, they'really good but not top 25 good.
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Are you AAC guys done dumping on your prior conference? Congratulations on how you finished 2016, and forgot about 2014. Things can change quickly in the G5, and Florida International and Florida Atlantic made some interesting football hires. Bring on 2017.
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(03-20-2017 05:32 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  Are you AAC guys done dumping on your prior conference? Congratulations on how you finished 2016, and forgot about 2014. Things can change quickly in the G5, and Florida International and Florida Atlantic made some interesting football hires. Bring on 2017.

Not dumping on it. Just talking about options past and present. The AAC would probably like a few do overs as well. Ive been pretty honest in my belief that we made some errors---blowing the western expansion and I dont think we shouldn't have sold the Big East name--two major errors (my opinion) we've discussed just in the last few days. Some think the proposed adding of Wichita is another (not me).
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-20-2017 05:32 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  Are you AAC guys done dumping on your prior conference? Congratulations on how you finished 2016, and forgot about 2014. Things can change quickly in the G5, and Florida International and Florida Atlantic made some interesting football hires. Bring on 2017.

Rice is a great school and a victim of conference realignment. I think everyone in the AAC respects Rice.

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(03-19-2017 03:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If I recall the decision to abandon the merger with the the MWC came down to the NCAA not allowing their merged group to keep the tournament credits of both leagues. I'm not sure who backed out or if it was mutual (both leagues announced they were adding new members on the exact same day). Had the C-USA group stuck with it UTEP and Rice would have been in an exceedingly better situation. USM, UAB, and Marshall would have had mixed feelings about the end result because they'd be geographic oddities but at least they'd be making more money. I think the end result would have been a 16 member group of:

Hawaii (FB only)
San Diego St
Fresno St
Nevada
UNLV
Boise St

Wyoming
Colorado St
Air Force
New Mexico
UTEP
Rice

USM
UAB
Marshall
A 16th school

If this is still viable, the MWC could make it happen by offering membership to UTEP, Rice, Southern Miss, and one other (Louisiana Tech?).
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(03-20-2017 05:32 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  Are you AAC guys done dumping on your prior conference? Congratulations on how you finished 2016, and forgot about 2014. Things can change quickly in the G5, and Florida International and Florida Atlantic made some interesting football hires. Bring on 2017.

Insecurity...all I said was that C-USA overexpanded, which it did. Heck it might look better today as a 9/10 team conferences rather than as a 14 team monstrosity.

As someone already said, the AAC added too many teams too, like Tulane.
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-20-2017 06:36 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 05:32 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  Are you AAC guys done dumping on your prior conference? Congratulations on how you finished 2016, and forgot about 2014. Things can change quickly in the G5, and Florida International and Florida Atlantic made some interesting football hires. Bring on 2017.

Insecurity...all I said was that C-USA overexpanded, which it did. Heck it might look better today as a 9/10 team conferences rather than as a 14 team monstrosity.

As someone already said, the AAC added too many teams too, like Tulane.

After last year's vote on football CCGs, there were probably many G5 ADs and coaches who thought, "Oh, NOW you tell us a conference only needs 10 teams for a title game!"
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RE: Would C-USA be better off splitting up?
(03-20-2017 04:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 04:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Arguably? The SBC has been better than C-USA, in football at least. C-USA overexpanded. I get the rationale but they still overexpanded.

The rationale that start up programs in big markets would lead to bigger media $? I think a lot of us were saying WTF? as CUSA was adding FIU, FAU, ODU, Charlotte, MTSU, WKU, UTSA, UNT. They added brand new city programs with North, South, East, West, Middle, oceans and internationals in their names. It was like watching a train wreck that wouldn't stop. Or maybe a city bus with no breaks, and seeing it take a guys head off and Sandra Bullock saying, "he's ok, right?" No, he isn't ok. He died.
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You seem to be an EAST Carolina fan. Since you are a fan of a directional school, I don't really understand your problem with the directional titles.

Overall, North Texas has been a good football addition. The Mean Green have been to 2 bowls in 4 seasons. Of the hold over C-USA programs, only Marshall has been to more. Like North Texas, Rice and USM have also been to 2 bowls in the past 4 seasons. But, WKU (3 bowls), LA Tech (3 bowls), Middle Tennessee (3 bowls), and North Texas (2 bowls), have been to almost 48% of all of C-USA's bowl games over the past four seasons. The hold over teams, Marshall (3 bowls), Southern Miss (2 bowls), Rice (2 bowls), and UTEP (1 bowl), have only been to 38% of C-USA's bowls over the past 4 seasons. In 2016, 6 of C-USA's 7 bowl games were filled by teams added to the conference since 2013. Southern Miss was the only team from the old guard to make a bowl this past season.

Yes, C-USA football has been down recently, but lets not be so quick to place all of the blame on the new programs.
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