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(03-19-2017 08:24 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 08:14 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:39 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Next season will be ten years since that fateful game in the finals.

Think it is past time to expose the truth of what went on in that game.

That there was an ineligible player playing in the game but NOT the one that everyone thinks of.

The wrong school was punished by the NCAA and had penalties leveled against it.

Players on both teams were rumored to have grades changed.

One player never had any act of wrong doing proven by the school system.

The other not only had it proven his grades were changed but his high school had to forfeit all the games he played in.

However the one who was cleared was punished by the NCAA while the one who had his ineligibility proven, was given a pass.

Yet to this day the team who did not actually have an ineligible player has been painted as a cheater [program and all records of that season erased. While the team which actually did have an ineligible player got away scott free.

Time to clear the air and get the truth out there.

I hate to tell you this, but Rose was ineligible and Arthur wasn't. That is what actually happened.

The NCAA clearinghouse told Memphis he was eligible.

Twice. I guess we weren't supposed to play him just in case.
03-19-2017 08:26 PM
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RE: Ten years later
(03-19-2017 08:24 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 08:14 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:39 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Next season will be ten years since that fateful game in the finals.

Think it is past time to expose the truth of what went on in that game.

That there was an ineligible player playing in the game but NOT the one that everyone thinks of.

The wrong school was punished by the NCAA and had penalties leveled against it.

Players on both teams were rumored to have grades changed.

One player never had any act of wrong doing proven by the school system.

The other not only had it proven his grades were changed but his high school had to forfeit all the games he played in.

However the one who was cleared was punished by the NCAA while the one who had his ineligibility proven, was given a pass.

Yet to this day the team who did not actually have an ineligible player has been painted as a cheater [program and all records of that season erased. While the team which actually did have an ineligible player got away scott free.

Time to clear the air and get the truth out there.

I hate to tell you this, but Rose was ineligible and Arthur wasn't. That is what actually happened.

The NCAA clearinghouse told Memphis he was eligible.

Sure, and then later found he wasn't eligible because the clearinghouse based their decision on an entrance exam that was declared invalid. Rose didn't have a valid entrance exam. He never even fought it being taken away. What that says about him if that was his score is worse than what it says about him if it wasn't.

Arthur, Bledsoe, and Rose were all found (by some entity other than the NCAA) to have their grades changed. The NCAA never took up the issue with any of them (the only time the issue is mentioned by the NCAA in the allegations against Memphis/Rose is in describing how the allegations about Rose's entrance exam got to the ETS). We don't really know for sure why high school transcript changes haven't been enough to get a Notice of Inquiry going, but I would guess that since the transcripts/grades/diploma themselves weren't yanked by the schools/states/issuing entities, that the NCAA doesn't view that as something that creates an immediate loss of eligibility.
03-20-2017 12:08 PM
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Bledsoe supposedly passed two years of Algebra in one summer session while barely passing high school. I don't doubt the Rose accusations about his SAT, but I don't get how Arthur and Bledsoe skate. Or especially how Calipari skates after leaving multiple schools on probation and is now held up as the pinnacle of college basketball. In the HOF. It's all really really messed up.


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RE: Ten years later
(03-19-2017 08:14 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:39 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Next season will be ten years since that fateful game in the finals.

Think it is past time to expose the truth of what went on in that game.

That there was an ineligible player playing in the game but NOT the one that everyone thinks of.

The wrong school was punished by the NCAA and had penalties leveled against it.

Players on both teams were rumored to have grades changed.

One player never had any act of wrong doing proven by the school system.

The other not only had it proven his grades were changed but his high school had to forfeit all the games he played in.

However the one who was cleared was punished by the NCAA while the one who had his ineligibility proven, was given a pass.

Yet to this day the team who did not actually have an ineligible player has been painted as a cheater [program and all records of that season erased. While the team which actually did have an ineligible player got away scott free.

Time to clear the air and get the truth out there.

I hate to tell you this, but Rose was ineligible and Arthur wasn't. That is what actually happened.

Yep. The term "strict liability" has everything to do with whether or not the athletes met the minimum requirements (ACT score & High School GPA) for participation, not how they obtained those minimum requirements.

Once the ETS invalidated Rose's passing ACT, he did not meet the NCAA's minimum eligibility requirements. His other ACT scores were not high enough.

Despite all the issues surrounding the grades that Arthur earned at his high school, that school system gave him the grades he needed to pass.
03-20-2017 04:27 PM
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(03-20-2017 04:27 PM)CKMcDan Wrote:  Yep. The term "strict liability" has everything to do with whether or not the athletes met the minimum requirements (ACT score & High School GPA) for participation, not how they obtained those minimum requirements.

Once the ETS invalidated Rose's passing ACT, he did not meet the NCAA's minimum eligibility requirements. His other ACT scores were not high enough.

Despite all the issues surrounding the grades that Arthur earned at his high school, that school system gave him the grades he needed to pass.

Yes and no.

To the letter of the NCAA law, one was ineligible and the other wasn't.

But most know how it really goes.

And Rose was cleared by the clearinghouse TWICE. The ETS invalidated his score halfway through the season.

It was real greaseball shtt, but whatever at this point.

If Derrick Rose was starting for North Carolina against Darrell Arthur and Kansas, no one would've ever gotten in trouble.
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(03-20-2017 03:23 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Bledsoe supposedly passed two years of Algebra in one summer session while barely passing high school. I don't doubt the Rose accusations about his SAT, but I don't get how Arthur and Bledsoe skate. Or especially how Calipari skates after leaving multiple schools on probation and is now held up as the pinnacle of college basketball. In the HOF. It's all really really messed up.


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The ncaa has taken it to new lows these days, that's for sure. The lowest was penn state not getting the death penalty, imo. The ncaa can't go any lower than that in my eyes.

How about how florida state, usc and ohio state all cheating for nearly a decade and winning championships and all of it was unchecked by the ncaa even when evidence was presented.

Scam newton. Enough said on that one.

How about the relationship between john wall and brian clifton?

I could go on and on. I don't even keep up with it anymore, because i tune all of it out now. Why waste my time watching that crap led by a corrupt organization? Why should i watch all the schools from big conferences win in the postseason? How many of their fans keep up or care about us?

These days i get my bball and fball fix through tiger athletics only. I might watch a future opponent just before we play them. That's about it for me.
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