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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
Valpo should be choice 1 for replacing the shockers. Not sure Missouri state leaves or who replaces them if they do. Does the Missouri valley want a team in Missouri if mo state leaves? Umkc could work. Could jump to 12 with Omaha and oral Roberts or UALR. Another option instead of umkc would be go east and add Oakland or Detroit to replace mo state for team 10.
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
(03-18-2017 10:21 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Valpo should be choice 1 for replacing the shockers. Not sure Missouri state leaves or who replaces them if they do. Does the Missouri valley want a team in Missouri if mo state leaves? Umkc could work. Could jump to 12 with Omaha and oral Roberts or UALR. Another option instead of umkc would be go east and add Oakland or Detroit to replace mo state for team 10.

What about maintaining the public/private balance in the MVC?
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I would go bold and in addition to adding Valpo, add the four Dakota schools. Having state flagships in the conference would definitely help. S Dakota St is solid at basketball, and the Dakota schools would play all sports (including football) in the MVC.
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
(03-18-2017 09:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 01:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:52 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Valparaiso and UIC after Missouri State also bolts.

Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.

That leaves Saint Louis, UMKC, Oral Roberts, Little Rock, and Southeast Missouri State. SLU isn't coming. Oral Roberts is a private. Little Rock doesn't have enough sports and stretches the geography south, SEMO has a football problem. So its basically UMKC.

Does UMKC water down the basketball product though?

I know Missouri State might like UMKC as infill for Wichita State but they seem to water down the brand.

Ohio doesn't water down the MVC brand. Basketball budget would be near the top of the MVC. 13,000 seat basketball arena with a planned expansion. Football is FBS and is strong enough now to stand by itself without the MAC. MVC is the conference a lot of our fans want because the school is located in the lower Midwest not the upper Midwest like the other MAC schools.
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Can someone post a map of the basketball teams and a separate one for the football schools?
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(03-18-2017 10:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 01:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:52 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Valparaiso and UIC after Missouri State also bolts.

Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.

That leaves Saint Louis, UMKC, Oral Roberts, Little Rock, and Southeast Missouri State. SLU isn't coming. Oral Roberts is a private. Little Rock doesn't have enough sports and stretches the geography south, SEMO has a football problem. So its basically UMKC.

Does UMKC water down the basketball product though?

I know Missouri State might like UMKC as infill for Wichita State but they seem to water down the brand.

Ohio doesn't water down the MVC brand. Basketball budget would be near the top of the MVC. 13,000 seat basketball arena with a planned expansion. Football is FBS and is strong enough now to stand by itself without the MAC. MVC is the conference a lot of our fans want because the school is located in the lower Midwest not the upper Midwest like the other MAC schools.

We added a bottom of the barrel Horizon team with Loyola all because they're in Chicago. Do you really think bad basketball will stop the MVC from adding UMKC because of KC? With the loss of Creighton and potential loss of Wichita, the MVC loses most of their KC presence. UMKC will get a STRONG look from the MVC.

I could see the MVC thinking they need to double down in Chicago and go get UIC or maybe Valpo. I still think they might see SIU-E as putting them into STL officially.

If it were all about getting the best basketball they'd go hard after the XDSU's but nobody wants to travel there and many of the eastern members are already having budget issues and if they can't bus somewhere they're likely to be against it. The MVC is NOT a forward thinking conference.

MSU will absolutely throw out some feelers to CUSA and the Belt and if they can hook on with one, they'd move FBS to escape what the MVC will become. UNI has had past talks with the MAC and I believe participate in the MAC in one or two sports. Last I heard, the MAC would want an eastern member with UNI. Although the CFP may have changed how they view that. But if the dominoes start to go, UNI would do what they could to jump to the MAC and go FBS. Though I also think Illinois State may try to fight them for a spot on the western side if that is indeed the case.

The MAC, with UNI or ISU would be stronger than an MVC without Wichita, MSU and whichever one of the previous two got into the MAC. The Belt probably would be too. I'm not sure about CUSA
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(03-18-2017 01:18 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 10:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 01:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.

That leaves Saint Louis, UMKC, Oral Roberts, Little Rock, and Southeast Missouri State. SLU isn't coming. Oral Roberts is a private. Little Rock doesn't have enough sports and stretches the geography south, SEMO has a football problem. So its basically UMKC.

Does UMKC water down the basketball product though?

I know Missouri State might like UMKC as infill for Wichita State but they seem to water down the brand.

Ohio doesn't water down the MVC brand. Basketball budget would be near the top of the MVC. 13,000 seat basketball arena with a planned expansion. Football is FBS and is strong enough now to stand by itself without the MAC. MVC is the conference a lot of our fans want because the school is located in the lower Midwest not the upper Midwest like the other MAC schools.

We added a bottom of the barrel Horizon team with Loyola all because they're in Chicago. Do you really think bad basketball will stop the MVC from adding UMKC because of KC? With the loss of Creighton and potential loss of Wichita, the MVC loses most of their KC presence. UMKC will get a STRONG look from the MVC.

I could see the MVC thinking they need to double down in Chicago and go get UIC or maybe Valpo. I still think they might see SIU-E as putting them into STL officially.

If it were all about getting the best basketball they'd go hard after the XDSU's but nobody wants to travel there and many of the eastern members are already having budget issues and if they can't bus somewhere they're likely to be against it. The MVC is NOT a forward thinking conference.

MSU will absolutely throw out some feelers to CUSA and the Belt and if they can hook on with one, they'd move FBS to escape what the MVC will become. UNI has had past talks with the MAC and I believe participate in the MAC in one or two sports. Last I heard, the MAC would want an eastern member with UNI. Although the CFP may have changed how they view that. But if the dominoes start to go, UNI would do what they could to jump to the MAC and go FBS. Though I also think Illinois State may try to fight them for a spot on the western side if that is indeed the case.

The MAC, with UNI or ISU would be stronger than an MVC without Wichita, MSU and whichever one of the previous two got into the MAC. The Belt probably would be too. I'm not sure about CUSA

ISU, UNI and NDSU to the MAC all sports

USD, SDSU, and Valpo to the MVC

Summit backfills with UMKC

UND stays in Big Sky?
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Murray State would fit right in the southern part.
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(03-18-2017 01:18 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 10:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 01:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.

That leaves Saint Louis, UMKC, Oral Roberts, Little Rock, and Southeast Missouri State. SLU isn't coming. Oral Roberts is a private. Little Rock doesn't have enough sports and stretches the geography south, SEMO has a football problem. So its basically UMKC.

Does UMKC water down the basketball product though?

I know Missouri State might like UMKC as infill for Wichita State but they seem to water down the brand.

Ohio doesn't water down the MVC brand. Basketball budget would be near the top of the MVC. 13,000 seat basketball arena with a planned expansion. Football is FBS and is strong enough now to stand by itself without the MAC. MVC is the conference a lot of our fans want because the school is located in the lower Midwest not the upper Midwest like the other MAC schools.

We added a bottom of the barrel Horizon team with Loyola all because they're in Chicago. Do you really think bad basketball will stop the MVC from adding UMKC because of KC? With the loss of Creighton and potential loss of Wichita, the MVC loses most of their KC presence. UMKC will get a STRONG look from the MVC.

I could see the MVC thinking they need to double down in Chicago and go get UIC or maybe Valpo. I still think they might see SIU-E as putting them into STL officially.

If it were all about getting the best basketball they'd go hard after the XDSU's but nobody wants to travel there and many of the eastern members are already having budget issues and if they can't bus somewhere they're likely to be against it. The MVC is NOT a forward thinking conference.

MSU will absolutely throw out some feelers to CUSA and the Belt and if they can hook on with one, they'd move FBS to escape what the MVC will become. UNI has had past talks with the MAC and I believe participate in the MAC in one or two sports. Last I heard, the MAC would want an eastern member with UNI. Although the CFP may have changed how they view that. But if the dominoes start to go, UNI would do what they could to jump to the MAC and go FBS. Though I also think Illinois State may try to fight them for a spot on the western side if that is indeed the case.

The MAC, with UNI or ISU would be stronger than an MVC without Wichita, MSU and whichever one of the previous two got into the MAC. The Belt probably would be too. I'm not sure about CUSA

True on UMKC, Valpo and UIC as top MVC targets.

Northern Iowa wanting in the MAC is interesting. That eastern member to balance out I would assume is James Madison. However Virginia is starting to get crowded with VT, UVA, ODU and Liberty FBS teams plus VCU, Richmond, George Mason in the Atlantic 10.

I'm not seeing the MAC wanting to go bigger right now. What would make more sense is if someone left the MAC (for example NIU) and go in with 3 MVC schools.

Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Missouri State

To put the MVC effectively out of business. Wichita I'm assuming is gone to the AAC which makes a lot of sense with their geography and commitment to men's basketball.
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Arkansas Tech

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